Um, so how powerful is the Hero of Typhon?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
I have and do not recall this.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
When did this happen? The army part I mean.

Originally posted by Darth Abonis
Higher than Mace, just under Yoda.

Originally posted by red8
In one thread, we have people saying that HoT can beat Yoda:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587847&pagenumber=1

In another thread, we have people saying that HoT is weaker than Malgus:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t596824.html

I think Yoda is about on the same level as Sidious, if not a bit higher (only the RotS novel describes Yoda as inferior).

Surely Malgus is not > Sidious, right?

So, can someone clear up this inconsistency?

Now how many Jedi match Revan, Satele Shan and Barsen'thor (3)? I don't think any Jedi is realistically better then these with exception of Yoda and Luke in the entire galactic history.

Let us consider Revan for example: Revan have significant hype going for him by all accounts. I believe that Revan is stronger then Mace Windu. I personally consider him to be on par with Yoda or close enough to be ranked in the same TIER. With this perception, I rank HoT between Yoda and Luke which sounds realistic.

However, canonically Yoda is the most overhyped Jedi in the mythos. Even Luke doesn't matches his hype.

Originally posted by PTforthewin
Mace has greater TK feats then HoT and I'm not talking about the exaggerated old clone wars show, in the Ryloth arc in season 1 of the new clone wars, mace force pushes and destroys a small army of battle droids and then uses the force to collapse a wall onto a Armored Assault Tank.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
HoT is likely the strongest Jedi in history up to the point of his existence. This indicates that HoT is likely stronger then even Revan, Satele Shan and Barsen'thor (3).

Now how many Jedi match Revan, Satele Shan and Barsen'thor (3)? I don't think any Jedi is realistically better then these with exception of Yoda and Luke in the entire galactic history.

Let us consider Revan for example: Revan have significant hype going for him by all accounts. I believe that Revan is stronger then Mace Windu. I personally consider him to be on par with Yoda or close enough to be ranked in the same TIER. With this perception, I rank HoT between Yoda and Luke which sounds realistic.

However, canonically Yoda is the most overhyped Jedi in the mythos. Even Luke doesn't matches his hype.

This proves nothing; Barsen'thor (3) have superior feats then Mace Windu and is possibly stronger then him. However, HoT is likely stronger then even Barsen'thor (3).

Revan in same tier with Yoda and HoT is higher than Yoda?

Impossible. Yoda would take reborn Revan with a good fight and HoT is a close one but he would still take her down.

I would also say Mace is equal to HoT.

HoT's greatest feat is defeating a weakened Vitiate and Windu's greatest feat is defeating Palpatine and defeating Palpatine is more impressive than the latter. Why would you put her on top of Mace?

FOTJ luke > all, luke is the most powerful jedi of all time.

Originally posted by Sinious
Revan in same tier with Yoda and HoT is higher than Yoda?

Impossible. Yoda would take reborn Revan with a good fight and HoT is a close one but he would still take her down.

I would also say Mace is equal to HoT.

HoT's greatest feat is defeating a weakened Vitiate and Windu's greatest feat is defeating Palpatine and defeating Palpatine is more impressive than the latter. Why would you put her on top of Mace?

The Hero is superior to Windu. I dislike arguing whether she stands up to Yoda, but shes definitely in the same ballpark.

He is Mace level at the most.

Mace isn't even Barsen'thor level, let alone the Hero.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Mace isn't even Barsen'thor level, let alone the Hero.

Let's not take it too far.

Why not? I'll go as far as I want, the Barsen'thor is more powerful than he is and has superior telekinetic, healing and force defense abilities.

I personally have Tython has the 4th most powerful Jedi in history, behind Luke, Yoda, and Jacen. Most people forget Jacen's force prowess was fantastic enough to tank turbo lasers. Incredible.

Spoiler:
Eh, HoU might be better then him too.

Bioware is making a open world Star Wars game I hope I can be a smuggler or bounty hunter in coruscant and make it a action adventure type game not this jedi RPG boring linear bullshit.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Defeating weakened Vitiate on a nexus is a greater feat than beating RotS Sidious.

I think people are misinterpreting the HoT vs Vitiate scene a bit. I mean HoT has never done anything else to come close to defeat someone on Vitiate's tier. Hero is not on Vitiate's level in force powers. We don't even know if Vitiate tried to dominate her mind in the temple while everyone assumes she is immune to such mind tricks since she wasn't crushed in the brain while confronting Vitaite. Also no matter how powerful Vitiate was, he underestimated HoT so much that he basically ran on to her lightsaber which may be understandable since he was about to consume the entire galaxy and become an omnipotent being so a jedi trying to stop him was a feeble unimportant act in his eyes. It was still a stupid mistake though. This shows that Vitiate was either way too distracted with the ritual that he couldn't defeat an opponent whom he would normally crush like a bug or he just isn't that good in saber combats and lost to HoT in an almost fair fight even though he has great knowledge of the force. Either way, its definitely not more impressive than defeating ROTS Palpatine.

It's stated in the quest description that Vitiate knew he couldn't dominate the Hero's mind, so he had to resort to an actual duel.

@Sinious

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I agree that full powered Vitiate>HoT. But to say that Vitiate would squash him like a bug....

Originally posted by Sinious
I think people are misinterpreting the HoT vs Vitiate scene a bit. I mean HoT has never done anything else to come close to defeat someone on Vitiate's tier. Hero is not on Vitiate's level in force powers. We don't even know if Vitiate tried to dominate her mind in the temple while everyone assumes she is immune to such mind tricks since she wasn't crushed in the brain while confronting Vitaite. Also no matter how powerful Vitiate was, he underestimated HoT so much that he basically ran on to her lightsaber which may be understandable since he was about to consume the entire galaxy and become an omnipotent being so a jedi trying to stop him was a feeble unimportant act in his eyes. It was still a stupid mistake though. This shows that Vitiate was either way too distracted with the ritual that he couldn't defeat an opponent whom he would normally crush like a bug or he just isn't that good in saber combats and lost to HoT in an almost fair fight even though he has great knowledge of the force. Either way, its definitely not more impressive than defeating ROTS Palpatine.

Ok I didn't know that. Still though that doesn't change much. I would even say full powered Vitiate is more powerful in the force than Palpatine himself but in an all out combat, Palpatine would probably take him meaning that it is harder to kill Palpatine in a combat than Vitiate because Vitiate has a weakness against saber attacks unlike Palpatine. If Windu was able to take down Sidious in a fight, he would surely be able to do the same to weakened/distracted Vitiate. HoT's victory over Vitiate doesn't put her above Windu is all I am saying and if there is any other feat she has that would do so, please do share.

Originally posted by Sinious
Ok I didn't know that. Still though that doesn't change much. I would even say full powered Vitiate is more powerful in the force than Palpatine himself but in an all out combat, Palpatine would probably take him meaning that it is harder to kill Palpatine in a combat than Vitiate because Vitiate has a weakness against saber attacks unlike Palpatine. If Windu was able to take down Sidious in a fight, he would surely be able to do the same to weakened/distracted Vitiate. HoT's victory over Vitiate doesn't put her above Windu is all I am saying and if there is any other feat she has that would do so, please do share.