Originally posted by XanatosForever
I admit I forgot she had mastered sandbending, but I would still contend that mud would be different enough to cause difficulty. I think the setting of this battle is on the beach, though, which means Katara might actually in a worse position than originally perceived. mmm
The location is rocky terrain with an ocean nearby. Which means Katara has no way to disrupt Toph's earth sense.
Originally posted by chasedown
Bumi Roku and Ozai's father were bending at a high level at a very old age why dont you think toph canAnd bumi was over 100 years old
Also idk if this counts toph and bumi had a fight in the comics to see who was the strongest earth bender in the world but the fight ended up in a draw..... This is a great feat for toph because bumi took retook a whole city occupied by the fire nation by himself
Originally posted by BloodRain
Toph overcame the loose ground issue by Book 3 when she was skilfully bending sand at the beach.Lets assume that elements at the same level are equal to one another in combat. We'd have to look at their differences.
If memory serves, her bending skills were more defensive then offensive unless she has a large source. I believe this is important, as Toph is seen as the more combative one. She's been bending the true style for years and might be the youngest master around, and has been regularly competing in bending competitions.
Katara is very skilled, and has been in many battles, but I'd give the pure combat edge to Toph. This with her seismic senses, and little Katara could do to properly take advantage of it, and Toph takes it further.And this is still working on the assumption that their Bending level and element is equal, whereas I believe Toph is more powerful generally.
Originally posted by King Joker
Azula, Zuko, and Hama. May be more, don't remember.
Azula was in a weakened mind state there last fight and wasnt focused.zuko said it himself. Other than that azula has gotten the best of katars and the gang way more times than vice versa.
Also you keep using their encounter that was interupted by zuko in book 2 as a evidence staring katara beat azula but the fact is that zuko interuppted the fight whose to say that azula couldnt have gotten out of the hold by shooting fire at katara using the limbs that were free from the hold. You cant use an interrupted fight as an example
She never fought zuko once he became a true master of firebending (dragon training)
Hama was through bloodbending an katara already swore she would never use that fighting style again even going so far as to introduce the idea as making it illegal
King bumi on the other hand retook omashu from the fire nation by himself.... Toph fought him and it ended in a draw thats shows tophs power as a bender
Originally posted by KingD19
You can't ignore the fact that Katara beat one of the most powerful waterbenders seen in TLA in Hama, and even bloodbent her, despite Hama being the originator and master of the technique.
She beat her using blood bending i acknowledged that already but she also said that she would never use that technique again. This means that she wont be using it in this fight. Also bloodbending is something that she can only use on full moon nights
Originally posted by chasedown
Azula was in a weakened mind state there last fight and wasnt focused.zuko said it himself. Other than that azula has gotten the best of katars and the gang way more times than vice versa.Also you keep using their encounter that was interupted by zuko in book 2 as a evidence staring katara beat azula but the fact is that zuko interuppted the fight whose to say that azula couldnt have gotten out of the hold by shooting fire at katara using the limbs that were free from the hold. You cant use an interrupted fight as an example
She never fought zuko once he became a true master of firebending (dragon training)
Hama was through bloodbending an katara already swore she would never use that fighting style again even going so far as to introduce the idea as making it illegal
King bumi on the other hand retook omashu from the fire nation by himself.... Toph fought him and it ended in a draw thats shows tophs power as a bender
1. She's never gotten the best of them after the finale of Book 2, when Katara was beating her.
2. I can, and I will. Katara was besting her the entire fight. Katara got her limbs, and was about to slam her on the ground. I'm not saying Katara beat her, since the fight was inconclusive, but during the fight, Katara was winning.
3. Yes, but Zuko was still a very impressive firebender at that point.
4. What's your point?
Originally posted by chasedownI already said no bloodbending anyways.
She beat her using blood bending i acknowledged that already but she also said that she would never use that technique again. This means that she wont be using it in this fight. Also bloodbending is something that she can only use on full moon nights
Originally posted by King Joker
1. She's never gotten the best of them after the finale of Book 2, when Katara was beating her.2. I can, and I will. Katara was besting her the entire fight. Katara got her limbs, and was about to slam her on the ground. I'm not saying Katara beat her, since the fight was inconclusive, but during the fight, Katara was winning.
3. Yes, but Zuko was still a very impressive firebender at that point.
4. What's your point?
1. Are you kidding me azula has been giving them trouble throughout damn near the whole series. Why do you think when fighting her their furst option is always to try and gang up on her. Even when doing that they would fail to beat her many times in the series. Azula gave the avatar trouble that trumps katara unless you think katara is stronger than aang.
2. Also katara only grabbed one arm and one leg. It was still quite possible for azula to bend this gives azula options to get out of it and she is arguably one of the most skilled pure tactic fighters its very possible for her to have gotten out of it. The fight was interuptted. Thats like saying in a boxing match if you get a good hit on someone you automatically are better than them and would wkin the fight.
3. Zuko was extremely weak compared to his eos self the one katara fought was barely top 5 among the noted firebenders in the show.
4. It matters because king bumi is a white lotus member and is stronger than zuko was at any point him a katara fought.i would even say hes stronger than azula and hama. Its just that hamas blood bending would prove a problem for him but considering bumi can bend with just his nose id say he should do fine
Originally posted by chasedown
1. Are you kidding me azula has been giving them trouble throughout damn near the whole series. Why do you think when fighting her their furst option is always to try and gang up on her. Even when doing that they would fail to beat her many times in the series. Azula gave the avatar trouble that trumps katara unless you think katara is stronger than aang.2. Also katara only grabbed one arm and one leg. It was still quite possible for azula to bend this gives azula options to get out of it and she is arguably one of the most skilled pure tactic fighters its very possible for her to have gotten out of it. The fight was interuptted. Thats like saying in a boxing match if you get a good hit on someone you automatically are better than them and would wkin the fight.
3. Zuko was extremely weak compared to his eos self the one katara fought was barely top 5 among the noted firebenders in the show.
4. It matters because king bumi is a white lotus member and is stronger than zuko was at any point him a katara fought.i would even say hes stronger than azula and hama. Its just that hamas blood bending would prove a problem for him but considering bumi can bend with just his nose id say he should do fine
1. When has Azula outright bested them post-Book2?
2. You're ridiculous. If Azula was going to escape she would've. Katara was like a millisecond away from smashing her. Yes, it was interrupted, but Katara was probably about to knock Azula out with that slam, or disable her. Not to mention Katara was beating her the entire fight.
3. After a couple days and/or weeks of training Katara was besting him. Zuko was very powerful at that time. Even if he wasn't at his peak.
4. An earthbender - earthbender fight is far different than a earthbender - waterbender fight.
Originally posted by King Joker
1. When has Azula outright bested them post-Book2?2. You're ridiculous. If Azula was going to escape she would've. Katara was like a millisecond away from smashing her. Yes, it was interrupted, but Katara was probably about to knock Azula out with that slam, or disable her. Not to mention Katara was beating her the entire fight.
3. After a couple days and/or weeks of training Katara was besting him. Zuko was very powerful at that time. Even if he wasn't at his peak.
4. An earthbender - earthbender fight is far different than a earthbender - waterbender fight.
So if someone slams you on the ground that automatically means they won a fight?
Look at how many times ppl have been thrown on the ground both in real life and anime/cartoon and got up and won the fight.
The fact of the matter is that it was interrupted so azula wasn't given a chance a to counter so we dont know the end result anyway. If zuko didnt interrupt it id concede but he didnt so that fact can be argued its not ridiculous just fact. One good hit or takedown doesnt automatically mean you won.