Originally posted by King Joker
I don't think she could beat Bumi either. But a waterbender vs. earthbender is vastly different than earthbender vs. earthbender.
It doesnt matter
Toph fought bumi and it was a draw.... This means that toph is at least equal to or greater than bumi in terms of skill a an earth bender
If you dont think katara can bumi then she cant beat toph either
Originally posted by yungz22
It doesnt matterToph fought bumi and it was a draw.... This means that toph is at least equal to or greater than bumi in terms of skill a an earth bender
If you dont think katara can bumi then she cant beat toph either
And you cant just say Toph = Bumi, so Toph > Katara. It doesn't work like that. It's how the opponents skills, strengths, weakness', etc. play off each other.
Originally posted by King Joker
Ummm, it does matter... like a lot. Toph has a lot of experience fighting earthbenders, and her seismic sense gives her a huge advantage against earthbending opponents. (It still gives her an advantage against any opponent, but not as much against non-earthbenders.)And you cant just say Toph = Bumi, so Toph > Katara. It doesn't work like that. It's how the opponents skills, strengths, weakness', etc. play off each other.
You said yourself bumi would beat katara.
That means toph would beat katara too.
A draw means the two were evenly matched and thats what happened with bumi and toph.
You memtioning her "advantage" over bumi only bolsters the idea that katara would lose.
Originally posted by yungz22
You said yourself bumi would beat katara.That means toph would beat katara too.
A draw means the two were evenly matched and thats what happened with bumi and toph.
You memtioning her "advantage" over bumi only bolsters the idea that katara would lose.
No. Toph has MAJOR advantages against earthbending opponents, and she also has far more experience against them as well. In this case with Katara, Katara can try and negate Toph's seismic sense, by using the ocean, so Toph can't sense her.
Originally posted by King Joker
It doesn't mean that at all. A>B>C logic doesn't work in this case.No. Toph has MAJOR advantages against earthbending opponents, and she also has far more experience against them as well. In this case with Katara, Katara can try and negate Toph's seismic sense, by using the ocean, so Toph can't sense her.
Ok so what your saying is toph is better than bumi.
And katara is not better than bumi
But katara can beat toph.
That makes zero sense whatsoever.
Originally posted by King Joker
It doesn't mean that at all. A>B>C logic doesn't work in this case.No. Toph has MAJOR advantages against earthbending opponents, and she also has far more experience against them as well. In this case with Katara, Katara can try and negate Toph's seismic sense, by using the ocean, so Toph can't sense her.
Originally posted by King Joker
No. I said she has advantages against earthbenders.Okay?
In this circumstance.
How?
That advantage applys to water benders too unless both are fighting on water which isnt the case..... You alo have to remember that toph can still sense when things are coming toward whether it be air,water or fire. Just because she cant see doesnt mean katara would win especially if toph is strong enough to beat or tie with King Bumi one of the worlds greatest fighters
If it was that easy to beat toph because she was blind we would have seen her defeated along time ago.
Originally posted by yungz22
That advantage applys to water benders too unless both are fighting on water which isnt the case..... You alo have to remember that toph can still sense when things are coming toward whether it be air,water or fire. Just because she cant see doesnt mean katara would win especially if toph is strong enough to beat or tie with King Bumi one of the worlds greatest fightersIf it was that easy to beat toph because she was blind we would have seen her defeated along time ago.
Originally posted by King Joker
Well, it would probably make Toph more connected to the Earth, and "see" things others cant. So no one could really sneak up on her, or bend something behind her. Anyways, her blindness would be a disadvantage if Katara would attack via the ocean, which she would.
There are no sneak attacks in a one one one fight lol..... Any way earth bending can be just as effective defensively as it is offensively. Toph could easily wield rock armor as aang has done before.
Or she could create a wall
Theres also sand at the bottom of the ocean she could bring up and harden since she mastered sand bending as well
Weve also seen her raise the earth from the bottom of bodies of water
Another fact of the matter is that toph is the more experienced fighter she has been fighting for way longer than katara. She also learned bending from the original earth benders the badger moles. This makes her a more powerful bender by alot.
As seen with zuko,aang, and wan learning bending from the original bender animals increases your power as a bender ten fold.
Originally posted by yungz22
There are no sneak attacks in a one one one fight lol..... Any way earth bending can be just as effective defensively as it is offensively. Toph could easily wield rock armor as aang has done before.Or she could create a wall
Theres also sand at the bottom of the ocean she could bring up and harden since she mastered sand bending as well
Weve also seen her raise the earth from the bottom of bodies of water
Another fact of the matter is that toph is the more experienced fighter she has been fighting for way longer than katara. She also learned bending from the original earth benders the badger moles. This makes her a more powerful bender by alot.
As seen with zuko,aang, and wan learning bending from the original bender animals increases your power as a bender ten fold.
I was talking about in general. If Toph was to use earthbending defensively, she still couldn't mount a counterattack. And water can cut through rock, as seen when Hama sliced a rock in pieces. Katara > Hama, so Katara would be able to do that as well.
Again, she still wouldn't be able to mount a counterattack.
Good point, but, when has she hardened sand into rock? And even if she could, it's not like she would be able to see where Katara is anyways.
Yes, but all that experience fighting was with earthbenders. And I don't really think learning from the originals would make you more powerful, but rather have a better understanding and knowledge.
So, basically, it seems like Toph would be on the defensive in this fight. Toph wouldn't be able to hit Katara, but Katara could hit her. Or hit whatever structure Toph makes to protect herself. It really comes down to whether or not Katara could break Toph's earth defense. We've seen Hama slice through rock, and Katara is superior to Hama, so Katara would definitely has the ability to slice through rock.
Toph hardened the sand when she created the replica of ba sing se
Again toph can raise earth from the bottom of the water, create extremely large walls of rock
Based on what she displayed with the wall of rock she should be able to even create a sand tsunami like gaara would.
Toph has shown more power than katara has barring bloodbending.
Originally posted by yungz22
Toph hardened the sand when she created the replica of ba sing seAgain toph can raise earth from the bottom of the water, create extremely large walls of rock
Based on what she displayed with the wall of rock she should be able to even create a sand tsunami like gaara would.
Toph has shown more power than katara has barring bloodbending.
Not hard enough to be stood on or anything. It just looked like she molded the sand.
Are you referring to the part where they were crossing the Serpent's Pass? Where they were all underwater?
Wall of rock?
I might agree Toph is a better earthbender than Katara is a waterbender, but it's all how their skills play off each other.