Rematch Thanos vs Odin with a couple twists

Originally posted by Cosmicus
It was also stated by a more credible source that Tyrant had no weaknesses. And the orb contained the left over power of a herald level being, the same level of characters Tyrant stomped with ease. I don't know why one would think it would do much against him.

Thanos took Terrax's words to heart regarding the orbs and made a beeline for them while he used Terrax/Ganymede/Jack of Hearts/Legacy as a distraction. You'll notice Thanos did nothing to Tyrant TILL he blasted him with one of the Orbs. You'll also notice that he was holding on to that Orb for dear life during that entire fight.

None the less, it won't help him vs Odin. Those were Tyrant's strengths/weaknesses not Odin's.

Originally posted by zopzop
No. It was straight up stated by Terrax who, as Tyrant's prisoner, saw how things went down in Tyrant's Fortress.

Thanos took Terrax's words to heart regarding the orbs and made a beeline for them while he used Terrax/Ganymede/Jack of Hearts/Legacy as a distraction. You'll notice Thanos did nothing to Tyrant TILL he blasted him with one of the Orbs. You'll also notice that he was holding on to that Orb for dear life during that entire fight.

None the less, it won't help him vs Odin. Those were Tyrant's
strengths/weaknesses not Odin's.

It was outright stated by Ganymede that Tyrant had no weaknesses and she knows far more about Tyrant than Terrax does, his own words substantiate this. It seems pretty clear who's word should be given more credibility.

No. Once again that orb contained the left over power of one herald, so why you think it was significant against someone like Tyrant is beyond me. Thanos held his own because he's just that powerful.

That orb definitely had some juice in it. Tyrant was no selling Surfer's PC blasts and even no sold a blast from the orb straight up until Thanos turned it up a notch. I want to say that Tyrant could sense some residual WoL energies still in Morg, hence the reason he wanted to keep Morg opposed to the others when Galactus came (Tyrant said Morg was rife with energies) but that theory would be sort of suspect due to the fact that Terrax was able to stalemate Morg right before they got captured.

As for this fight, Thanos would fare better but still get put down via EMP pulse like attack like what happened with both Tyrant and Odin. The heralds get one shot.

Since this is current Thanos he would remember the first fight with Odin and maybe fight differently. Plus I would assume current Thanos is abit more powerful than Thanos that fought Odin the first time.

Given the one-sided nature of the first fight, being a bit more powerful isn't going to cut it.

I don't see what the heralds add, they're basically just flies. The most powerful herald in the group (i.e., Surfer) that fought Tyrant was one-shot by Odin.

Originally posted by One-Punch
I don't see what the heralds add, they're basically just flies. The most powerful herald in the group (i.e., Surfer) that fought Tyrant was one-shot by Odin.

Odin pushes in thanus' shit so badly that he wont be able to walk right for weeks.

[QUOTE=14770746]Originally posted by Sundipped
[B]That orb definitely had some juice in it. Tyrant was no selling Surfer's PC blasts and even no sold a blast from the orb straight up until Thanos turned it up a notch.

The orb contained the left over power of one herald. Tyrant stomped a group of them with ease. It makes little sense to me why one would think the orb contributed so much as opposed to Thanos himself.

And what do you mean by 'Thanos turning it up a notch?'

Originally posted by Cosmicus
The orb contained the left over power of one herald. Tyrant stomped a group of them with ease. It makes little sense to me why one would think the orb contributed so much as opposed to Thanos himself.

And what do you mean by 'Thanos turning it up a notch?'

It contained a large portion of energy from Morg. Morg was visibly weak and had to have his power cosmic restored by Tyrant before the second group of heralds came.

Tyrant tanked a blast from Thanos + orb here:

But obviously, he turned up here by actually managing to lift Tyrant off of his feet using his power + the orb:

That's why I said these conditions would allow Thanos to have a better chance against Odin considering just regular herald level blasts can, and have been no sold by skyfather level beings like Tyrant.

[QUOTE=14770960]Originally posted by Sundipped
[B]It contained a large portion of energy from Morg. Morg was visibly weak and had to have his power cosmic restored by Tyrant before the second group of heralds came.

Tyrant tanked a blast from Thanos + orb here:

But obviously, he turned up here by actually managing to lift Tyrant off of his feet using his power + the orb:

I have no clue where you are getting this from. You're asserting (if I'm not mistaken) that Thanos merged his power with the orb. Where was this shown or stated anywhere in the fight?

Originally posted by Cosmicus
I have no clue where you are getting this from. You're asserting (if I'm not mistaken) that Thanos merged his power with the orb. Where was this shown or stated anywhere in the fight?

If Thanos thought his power alone would've been enough, he wouldn't have even bothered prepping like this. As it turned out, it still wasn't enough.

Originally posted by Cosmicus
It was outright stated by Ganymede that Tyrant had no weaknesses and she knows far more about Tyrant than Terrax does, his own words substantiate this. It seems pretty clear who's word should be given more credibility.

No. Once again that orb contained the left over power of one herald, so why you think it was significant against someone like Tyrant is beyond me. Thanos held his own because he's just that powerful.

Was it only one Herald's power that was drained off into the orb, or could there have been all of the ones that were kidnapped, and fought against Tyrant? I don't believe that this would bag Thanos the win here, but it would certainly add to his power, and even if Morg seemed like he was weak, or a mere Herald level character, Morg was supposed to be above the Herald tier at that point in time. The writers were all over the place with his power levels, and failed to review everything leading up too that point.

First of all this is where the writers messed up. The Water's of life were never removed from Morg. If this mystical force was removed Galactus would have never been able to resurrect Morg under his own power. If he could have, then he would have been able to revive Frankie Raye, and Gabriel the Airwalker. With Morg there was something different going on, and he was clearly killed once Galactus removed the PC from him, and allowed for his other Heralds to do away with him.

So once Galactus had revived Morg with the aid of the healing properties that the WOL gave it's host he, then re-powered him with the PC. This is something that the writers failed to show. The writers made it so that he was brought back nearly, or as powerful as he was when he only had the PC. If he had both the WOL, and the PC, there would have been no way that Terrax could have competed with him, because Terrax wasn't ever brought back up to full power during that point in time.

Going further back into Terrax's past; Galactus stripped him of much of the PC that he gave him, due to his disobedience against the Earth. to the point that he lacked the ability to travel from planet to planet. We see proof of this when he was unable to leave the planet that the Surfer exiled him on, which happened during his conflict with the New Warriors.
It was never explained how Terrax regained the ability to travel through space unaided, even up til this day. Galactus was never seen or said to have brought him back up to full Herald level.

All the same, if Thanos had the power of the WOL, and the PC in that orb, this would allow him quite the boost, as it was far greater than Herald level power. He would lose against Odin, but the fight would have been much closer than it was during their first meeting.

Originally posted by Stoic
Was it only one Herald's power that was drained off into the orb, or could there have been all of the ones that were kidnapped, and fought against Tyrant? I don't believe that this would bag Thanos the win here, but it would certainly add to his power, and even if Morg seemed like he was weak, or a mere Herald level character, Morg was supposed to be above the Herald tier at that point in time. The writers were all over the place with his power levels, and failed to review everything leading up too that point.

First of all this is where the writers messed up. The Water's of life were never removed from Morg. If this mystical force was removed Galactus would have never been able to resurrect Morg under his own power. If he could have, then he would have been able to revive Frankie Raye, and Gabriel the Airwalker. With Morg there was something different going on, and he was clearly killed once Galactus removed the PC from him, and allowed for his other Heralds to do away with him.

So once Galactus had revived Morg with the aid of the healing properties that the WOL gave it's host he, then re-powered him with the PC. This is something that the writers failed to show. The writers made it so that he was brought back nearly, or as powerful as he was when he only had the PC. If he had both the WOL, and the PC, there would have been no way that Terrax could have competed with him, because Terrax wasn't ever brought back up to full power during that point in time.

Going further back into Terrax's past; Galactus stripped him of much of the PC that he gave him, due to his disobedience against the Earth. to the point that he lacked the ability to travel from planet to planet. We see proof of this when he was unable to leave the planet that the Surfer exiled him on, which happened during his conflict with the New Warriors.
It was never explained how Terrax regained the ability to travel through space unaided, even up til this day. Galactus was never seen or said to have brought him back up to full Herald level.

All the same, if Thanos had the power of the WOL, and the PC in that orb, this would allow him quite the boost, as it was far greater than Herald level power. He would lose against Odin, but the fight would have been much closer than it was during their first meeting.

@Cosmicus
Dude go back and reread the Cosmic Powers limited series and the issues leading up to it.

Originally posted by zopzop
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@Cosmicus
Dude go back and reread the Cosmic Powers limited series and the issues leading up to it.

Yes he clearly has to go back and read this, but he should also look back even further if he wants a bit more clarity on the subject.

Originally posted by Stoic
Was it only one Herald's power that was drained off into the orb, or could there have been all of the ones that were kidnapped, and fought against Tyrant? I don't believe that this would bag Thanos the win here, but it would certainly add to his power, and even if Morg seemed like he was weak, or a mere Herald level character, Morg was supposed to be above the Herald tier at that point in time. The writers were all over the place with his power levels, and failed to review everything leading up too that point.

First of all this is where the writers messed up. The Water's of life were never removed from Morg. If this mystical force was removed Galactus would have never been able to resurrect Morg under his own power. If he could have, then he would have been able to revive Frankie Raye, and Gabriel the Airwalker. With Morg there was something different going on, and he was clearly killed once Galactus removed the PC from him, and allowed for his other Heralds to do away with him.

So once Galactus had revived Morg with the aid of the healing properties that the WOL gave it's host he, then re-powered him with the PC. This is something that the writers failed to show. The writers made it so that he was brought back nearly, or as powerful as he was when he only had the PC. If he had both the WOL, and the PC, there would have been no way that Terrax could have competed with him, because Terrax wasn't ever brought back up to full power during that point in time.

Going further back into Terrax's past; Galactus stripped him of much of the PC that he gave him, due to his disobedience against the Earth. to the point that he lacked the ability to travel from planet to planet. We see proof of this when he was unable to leave the planet that the Surfer exiled him on, which happened during his conflict with the New Warriors.
It was never explained how Terrax regained the ability to travel through space unaided, even up til this day. Galactus was never seen or said to have brought him back up to full Herald level.

All the same, if Thanos had the power of the WOL, and the PC in that orb, this would allow him quite the boost, as it was far greater than Herald level power. He would lose against Odin, but the fight would have been much closer than it was during their first meeting.

I'm not sure what a lot of this has to do with what I said but I'll address this:

It was only the left over power of Morg in the orb, there was no mention of the WOL or anything else, unless I'm missing something.

My point is pretty simple; Tyrant stomped 5+ herald level beings. The orb only contained the left over power of one. With that taken into account, it makes little sense to think it was the orb that was significant against Tyrant as opposed to Thanos himself. Furthermore, there was no emphatic context that attributed to the orb being the reason why Thanos was able to hold his own against Tyrant.

Originally posted by Cosmicus
I'm not sure what a lot of this has to do with what I said but I'll address this:

It was only the left over power of Morg in the orb, there was no mention of the WOL or anything else, unless I'm missing something.

My point is pretty simple; Tyrant stomped 5+ herald level beings. The orb only contained the left over power of one. With that taken into account, it makes little sense to think it was the orb that was significant against Tyrant as opposed to Thanos himself. Furthermore, there was no emphatic context that attributed to the orb being the reason why Thanos was able to hold his own against Tyrant.

If it wasn't helping him in the fight, he would have placed it on the ground, and reclaimed it once the match was over. The drain placed on Morg would not just drain off the PC, and leave the WOL power alone. Why would it? It's not as if the other Herald level beings were all saturated with the Power Cosmic. All the same, trying to make heads or tails of the scene/s is almost impossible, because a couple of writers pitched in on the effort over a period of time. However the last writer failed to fully review everything pertaining to the character in question (Morg), which is why I wrote all of that stuff above. I was just trying to give you a clearer picture based on the real facts, which is what we are basing this discussion on. I mean without all of the facts, we won't be able to gauge just how powerful Thanos would be with the orb.

It's pretty clear that Tyrant was at least at medium to high Sky Father level, based on his battle with Galactus. It should also be clear when we think of how easily he was able to put those Herald level characters down. After all he wasn't trying to kill them, only drain them. Hope that helps.

Originally posted by Cosmicus
I'm not sure what a lot of this has to do with what I said but I'll address this:

It was only the left over power of Morg in the orb, there was no mention of the WOL or anything else, unless I'm missing something.

My point is pretty simple; Tyrant stomped 5+ herald level beings. The orb only contained the left over power of one. With that taken into account, it makes little sense to think it was the orb that was significant against Tyrant as opposed to Thanos himself. Furthermore, there was no emphatic context that attributed to the orb being the reason why Thanos was able to hold his own against Tyrant.

You keep saying "left over" energies but Morg was damn near drained of all of his power.

Morg's power was written up to be significant in Cosmic Powers and the relevant Silver Surfer issues. Tyrant alluded to Morg's power being something special. He had a chance to keep any of the other heralds but stood his ground against Galactus and demanded Morg be kept instead, even if it meant full scale war with Galactus. Tyrant called everyone else, even Surfer, rubbish. That's saying a lot.

Now we have Thanos seeking a challenge and he specifically sought out this particular orb before facing Tyrant. An orb he was desperately trying to keep up with during the fight. He knew his power alone wasn't going to be enough, hell, I just remembered him having trouble with Morg (he no sold a blast from Thanos) before he finally put him down for a couple of panels with help from Gaynamede Doesn't all this tell you something? What it should tell you is that orb had a good degree of significance....for Tyrant and Thanos.

I've seen people post about their beliefs why thanos used the orb but the rebuttal over and over that it's the "left over energy" and therefore wasn't that useful to thanos? Where was that stated. The issues show thanos going down over and over and evening the tide after getting his hands on the orb. Therefore it's not insignificant. Fairly simple and I don't understand why you argue over and over it is without any proof.

Originally posted by Sundipped
You keep saying "left over" energies but Morg was damn near drained of all of his power.

Morg's power was written up to be significant in Cosmic Powers and the relevant Silver Surfer issues. Tyrant alluded to Morg's power being something special. He had a chance to keep any of the other heralds but stood his ground against Galactus and demanded Morg be kept instead, even if it meant full scale war with Galactus. Tyrant called everyone else, even Surfer, rubbish. That's saying a lot.

Now we have Thanos seeking a challenge and he specifically sought out this particular orb before facing Tyrant. An orb he was desperately trying to keep up with during the fight. He knew his power alone wasn't going to be enough, hell, I just remembered him having trouble with Morg (he no sold a blast from Thanos) before he finally put him down for a couple of panels with help from Gaynamede Doesn't all this tell you something? What it should tell you is that orb had a good degree of significance....for Tyrant and Thanos.

Exactly. Morg was damn near drained. this shows that Thanos had quite a bit of power to add to his. Morg was well above the high Herald tier, as seen when he nearly killed all of the Herald's of Galactus. The fault in the inconsistencies lies with the last writer, as Zop mentioned a couple of years ago.