Originally posted by Dampyre
I do believe that the orb was augmenting Thanos' power a bit but, yeah, it wasn't nearly enough.
The orb wasn't amping him. There is literally not a single piece of evidence suggesting that the orb helped Thanos at all when he fought Tyrant. And why would it? It contained the left over power of one herald, unless we want argue that herald level beings now have power on par with Thanos and apparently are a threat to Galactus level beings.
Originally posted by zopzop
Wrong, Jack never hurt Tyrant. He staggered him a bit. That's all (which is still impressive for a low herald). Ganymede did better. 😆Thanos with the Orb actually knocked Tyrant off his feet and went H2H with him for a little bit before Tyrant floored him.
You're right...she did cause him pain which still solidifies my argument.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15462929/CosmicPowers06Tyrant_Page_15_Image_0001.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15462931/CosmicPowers06Tyrant_Page_17_Image_0001.jpg.html
Also, Jack attacks was doing something to Tyrant which again, helps my argument.
Originally posted by Cosmicus
The orb wasn't amping him. There is literally not a single piece of evidence suggesting that the orb helped Thanos at all when he fought Tyrant. And why would it? It contained the left over power of one herald, unless we want argue that herald level beings now have power on par with Thanos and apparently are a threat to Galactus level beings.
Then why was Thanos using it in battle if it wasn't doing anything? There were times in that fight where Thanos acted like his life depended on that orb. The orb augmented Thanos' EP. He also used it as a striking weapon.
Originally posted by Dampyre
Then why was Thanos using it in battle if it wasn't doing anything? There were times in that fight where Thanos acted like his life depended on that orb. The orb augmented Thanos' EP. He also used it as a striking weapon.
Thanos attacked him with it a few times, that's about it. There's no evidence that the orb actually did anything against Tyrant. My main point is that the orb had very little to do with Thanos holding his own against Tyrant. People are claiming that the orb played a significant part against Tyrant, and this is just untrue. Like I said before, this assertion is basically implying that the left over power of one herald is apparently a threat to a Galactus level being, which of course makes no sense, you know?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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Yeah, the orb clearly didn't contribute anything meaningful.Look at Thanos scrambling for it desperately then using it to hurt Tyrant.
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How can you even say that with a straight face based on the fight?
That doesn't really mean anything. Tyrant also grunted like that when Galactus blasted him and the former said that the blast just made him stronger.
My point still stands.
Originally posted by Cosmicus
That doesn't really mean anything. Tyrant also grunted like that when Galactus blasted him and the former said that the blast just made him stronger.My point still stands.
Did Tyrant suggest that attacks from the orb made him stronger or did he equate their effects similar on him to Galactus' power? No? Then why is it relevant here?
Thanos used the orb on different occasions to hurt Tyrant:
He specifically prepared the orb for his fight with Tyrant. As a matter of fact, the orbs were stated to be Tyrant's greatest weakness (In that they can be turned against him I assume).
Thus, arguing the orbs did not have any significant effect is silly.
No, it doesn't because your point is idiotic in light of the context of the scene.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Did Tyrant suggest that attacks from the orb made him stronger or did he equate their effects similar on him to Galactus' power? No? Then why is it relevant here?Thanos used the orb on different occasions to hurt Tyrant:
He specifically prepared the orb for his fight with Tyrant. As a matter of fact, the orbs were stated to be Tyrant's greatest weakness (In that they can be turned against him I assume).
Thus, arguing the orbs did not have any significant effect is silly.
No, it doesn't because your point is idiotic in light of the context of the scene.
Not specifically, but we know that absorbing cosmic energy is what he does, and in a similar scenario such attacks only made him stronger. On a similar token, was there any context crediting the orb for Thanos' performance against Tyrant or suggesting it weakened him? No? Yeah.
I don't see anything in the scan that suggests Tyrant was hurt or weakened.
Tyrant doesn't have any weaknesses. You're probably referring to what Terrax said, but Ganymede has outright stated that he doesn't have any weaknesses and she knows far more about Tyrant than Terrax does.
You say my point is idiotic when you think that an orb containing the left over power one herald is supposed to be a threat to a Galactus level being. The irony is thickening.
Originally posted by Cosmicus
Not specifically, but we know that absorbing cosmic energy is what he does, and in a similar scenario such attacks only made him stronger. On a similar token, was there any context crediting the orb for Thanos' performance against Tyrant or suggesting it weakened him? No? Yeah.I don't see anything in the scan that suggests Tyrant was hurt or weakened.
Tyrant doesn't have any weaknesses. You're probably referring to what Terrax said, but Ganymede has outright stated that he doesn't have any weaknesses and she knows far more about Tyrant than Terrax does.
You say my point is idiotic when you think that an orb containing the left over power one herald is supposed to be a threat to a Galactus level being. The irony is thickening.
And yet the orb was clearly a factor in the fight and aided Thanos against Tyrant. How would that work if the orb made Tyrant stronger?
Then you need to get your eyes checked.
Clearly he does as Thanos was able to use the orb against him.
Your point is nonsense. If you think the orb being such a large factor is stupid then just say so and move on. Pretending it wasn't in light of the evidence not only discredits any legitimate point you might have, it also just makes you look silly.
Anyways, I'm done with this particular discussion. Whether your trolling or just out of it, I don't know, but I'm not changing your mind so whatever.
If someone can, please post the entire Tyrant vs. Thanos fight so people can decide for themselves.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And yet the orb was clearly a factor in the fight and aided Thanos against Tyrant. How would that work if the orb made Tyrant stronger?Then you need to get your eyes checked.
Clearly he does as Thanos was able to use the orb against him.
Your point is nonsense. If you think the orb being such a large factor is stupid then just say so and move on. Pretending it wasn't in light of the evidence not only discredits any legitimate point you might have, it also just makes you look silly.
Anyways, I'm done with this particular discussion. Whether your trolling or just out of it, I don't know, but I'm not changing your mind so whatever.
If someone can, please post the entire Tyrant vs. Thanos fight so people can decide for themselves.
Despite the fact that there is nothing to suggest that the orb weakened him or contributed to Thanos' performance against Tyrant.
So he has a weakness to the orb because Thanos attacked him with it? Nevermind the fact that it was stated he has no weakness and there was no evidence to suggest the orb did anything in that fight. Please go on, I could use more laughs.
Sorry, but those aren't my debating standards. It's hilarious how you think the evidence actually supports what you're saying when it doesn't. At all. It supports my position because:
1. The context clearly credits Thanos for his performance against Tyrant. Thanos says "I have withstood you", clearly crediting himself and not the orb. The same with Tyrant, he says "you are more than the others were", clearly crediting Thanos and not the orb being the reason.
2. The orb contained the left over power of one herald, the same level of characters Tyrant stomped with ease. Unless you want to argue that herald level characters are now a threat to Galactus level beings. Be my guest, because I could use the laugh.
He's a lost cause Rage.
Anyway here's the fight:
Terrax gave Thanos a heads up on what can be used against Tyrant.
Gaynamede asks "what else have you learned? What can we use to defeat him"?
Tyrant himself stated on panel that Morg was full of energy.
After a quick briefing of Tyrant's computer Thanos specifically sought out the orb containing Morg's energy.
Thanos is shown desperately clinging on to the orb during the fight.
Thanos is actively shown aiming the orb for energy projection.
I mean some things don't have to be written out or outright stated to reach the conclusion that the orb was a significant factor. Jeezus Christ.
Originally posted by Cosmicus
1. The context clearly credits Thanos for his performance against Tyrant. Thanos says "I have withstood you", clearly crediting himself and not the orb. The same with Tyrant, he says "you are more than the others were", clearly crediting Thanos and not the orb being the reason.
Lol. After Thanos blasts Tyrant with the orb.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/379378/Cosmic_Powers_06_Tyrant_Page_24_Image_0001.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/379379/Cosmic_Powers_06_Tyrant_Page_25_Image_0001.jpg.html
So what's your excuse now?
I mean, the only time Thanos even attacks Tyrant without the orb is in this one panel:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/379390/Cosmic_Powers_06_Tyrant_Page_30_Image_0001.jpg.html
And that's almost certainly an artistic error because he strikes with his right hand, the same hand the orb is in during the second panel.
Thanks to Sundipped for the scans.
Originally posted by carver9
You're right...she did cause him pain which still solidifies my argument.http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15462929/CosmicPowers06Tyrant_Page_15_Image_0001.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15462931/CosmicPowers06Tyrant_Page_17_Image_0001.jpg.html
Also, Jack attacks was doing something to Tyrant which again, helps my argument.
Ganymede's race was specifically created to combat Tyrant. They have been at war for eons so it's plausible that her staff was constructed to have more of an effect.
Terrax swiped and cut some appendages. Not that hard for a ax to do. It didn't hit any real flesh.
I don't see that as a stagger, Tyrant's legs didn't move at all. Hell, Jack had a point blank blast no sold earlier.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol. After Thanos blasts Tyrant with the orb.So what's your excuse now?
I mean, the only time Thanos even attacks Tyrant without the orb is in this one panel:
And that's almost certainly an artistic error because he strikes with his right hand, the same hand the orb is in during the second panel.
Thanks to Sundipped for the scans.
Even though Tyrant directly attributes the blast to Thanos and not the orb, but whatever.
Sure, we see Thanos attack Tyrant with the orb but here's the thing; so what? Is an orb containing the left over power of one herald supposed to be a big deal against someone who toppled a whole bunch of herald level beings and even Galactus himself? This is what you and Sundipped and whoever else have embraced, despite the fact that it makes no sense whatsoever.
But do continue reiterating the same nonsense and then saying I'm the silly one. The irony is hilarious.
Originally posted by SundippedI mean some things don't have to be written out or outright stated to reach the conclusion that the orb was a significant factor. Jeezus Christ.
I would like to think that something like that should be displayed if the orb is supposedly contributed so much to Thanos enduring Tyrant, and yet there wasn't. You posted the scans yourself.
And, again, this orb containing the left over power of a herald is supposed to be significant against a Galactus level being? Come on now. Lets use our heads here.
I'm still trying to figure out how Morg is a mere Herald? How could he be called a threat to the entire pantheon of Galactus' Heralds if he was a mere Herald level character himself? The Surfer defeated Morg when he only had the Power Cosmic, he was certainly not going to beat him when he possessed the Water's of Life combined with the Power Cosmic. All of them were going to die, which was stated on panel. I guess that this should be ignored in order to continue saying that he was only a Herald. It does not add up. Cosmicus does this make any sense to you? If it does please explain it, and don't dance around it, or you will only appear to be incorrect about Morg.
Let me be clear, because when I explained this earlier you seemed to move into territory that had no bearing on the character. How is Morg a mere Herald if he had both the Water's of Life, and the Power Cosmic, and was nearly drained when the conflict with Thanos, and Tyrant began?
Originally posted by Cosmicus
I would like to think that something like that should be displayed if the orb is supposedly contributed so much to Thanos enduring Tyrant, and yet there wasn't. You posted the scans yourself.And, again, this orb containing the left over power of a herald is supposed to be significant against a Galactus level being? Come on now. Lets use our heads here.
Wait a minute. If Thanos didn't need the Orb to fight Tyrant, why did he have it in his possession? Why bring it to the fight if it isn't needed? When Thanos dropped it, why was he struggling to pick it up if he didn't need it? Why not just blast him with his own power? Lol...it's OBVIOUS the orb amped Thanos. No denying this.
Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. If Thanos didn't need the Orb to fight Tyrant, why did he have it in his possession? Why bring it to the fight if it isn't needed? When Thanos dropped it, why was he struggling to pick it up if he didn't need it? Why not just blast him with his own power? Lol...it's OBVIOUS the orb amped Thanos. No denying this.
This question was already asked, and there was no answer to it, at least not one that was suitable. It was instead swept away as a non factor. This is the type of thing that you get when people can't explain things or admit that they may be wrong.
