Rematch Thanos vs Odin with a couple twists

Originally posted by Sundipped
Now we have Thanos seeking a challenge and he specifically sought out this particular orb before facing Tyrant. An orb he was desperately trying to keep up with during the fight. He knew his power alone wasn't going to be enough, hell, I just remembered him having trouble with Morg (he no sold a blast from Thanos) before he finally put him down for a couple of panels with help from Gaynamede Doesn't all this tell you something? What it should tell you is that orb had a good degree of significance....for Tyrant and Thanos.

His own power wasn't going to be enough, so he uses not even the full power of one herald level being, the same level of characters who are clearly below Thanos and Tyrant in power, as significant help? Come on. A minor struggle against Morg whenever the same guy was matched by Terrax in the same issue doesn't mean much.

I mean seriously, what's basically being implied here is that the left over energies of one herald is going to contribute signifantly against a Galactus level being. You people need to think.

Originally posted by Cosmicus
His own power wasn't going to be enough, so he uses not even the full power of one herald level being, the same level of characters who are clearly below Thanos and Tyrant in power, as significant help? Come on. A minor struggle against Morg whenever the same guy was matched by Terrax in the same issue doesn't mean much.

I mean seriously, what's basically being implied here is that the left over energies of one herald is going to contribute signifantly against a Galactus level being. You people need to think.

You only focused on that one paragraph from my post failing to understand the overall context and significance of what Morg's power meant (thought I made it clear with the entirety of my last post) in this arc which has been expressed and pointed out time and time again by me, Stoic and Zop. Anyway I'm done here. Zop or Stoic you can take it from here.

Originally posted by Cosmicus
His own power wasn't going to be enough, so he uses not even the full power of one herald level being, the same level of characters who are clearly below Thanos and Tyrant in power, as significant help? Come on. A minor struggle against Morg whenever the same guy was matched by Terrax in the same issue doesn't mean much.

I mean seriously, what's basically being implied here is that the left over energies of one herald is going to contribute signifantly against a Galactus level being. You people need to think.

What you are not understanding is that in this special case Morg's power was not properly showcased, and in a forum setting the error must be dealt with in order to understand just how powerful Thanos was at the moment that he held to orb. Morg possessed more than Herald level power, This is something that Sundipped is trying to help you to understand. I even gave you a brief history lesson on the events which lead up to the confrontation, but for some odd reason you choose to ignore it, and go back to square one. All the same Odin would win, but the fight would be much closer than it was when Thanos was clearly out of his depth.

The only way that you will understand this is if you go back and see all of the angles, which happened in books outside of the Cosmic Powers books. For one Terrax shouldn't have been anywhere near capable of standing against Morg for more than a brief moment because Galactus never gave him back what he stripped from him. Which like I said every writer respected the continuity of the events up until the last writer got his hands on it. The only thing that we are trying to tell you is that you aren't seeing the entire picture, but only what was etched out in the last couple of books before Morg finally died.

@Stoic/Sundipped/Cosmicus

Keep in mind, after Tyrant's death, we didn't hear the last of those Orbs.

In a story published after Tyrant's death; Jakkar, Stranger's rival, wanted to get his hands on one so he could unlock it's secrets and use it's power against the Stranger. He even thought that once he mastered it completely he'd be able to use it to conquer the universe.

Originally posted by Stoic
What you are not understanding is that in this special case Morg's power was not properly showcased, and in a forum setting the error must be dealt with in order to understand just how powerful Thanos was at the moment that he held to orb. Morg possessed more than Herald level power, This is something that Sundipped is trying to help you to understand. I even gave you a brief history lesson on the events which lead up to the confrontation, but for some odd reason you choose to ignore it, and go back to square one. All the same Odin would win, but the fight would be much closer than it was when Thanos was clearly out of his depth.

The only way that you will understand this is if you go back and see all of the angles, which happened in books outside of the Cosmic Powers books. For one Terrax shouldn't have been anywhere near capable of standing against Morg for more than a brief moment because Galactus never gave him back what he stripped from him. Which like I said every writer respected the continuity of the events up until the last writer got his hands on it. The only thing that we are trying to tell you is that you aren't seeing the entire picture, but only what was etched out in the last couple of books before Morg finally died.

I went back and re-read some stuff, and what I said still stands. You and SundippedSuperman and whoever else are claiming that Morg was at 'above herald levels' and I have yet to see any evidence for this, or any evidence of the orb contributing significantly against Tyrant.

I want you to answer this question, and this is essentially what I've been saying from the very beginning; why would an orb containing the left over power of a herald level being do anything of any significant degree whatsoever to Tyrant when we have seen him easily defeat characters who are more powerful?

Originally posted by Cosmicus
I went back and re-read some stuff, and what I said still stands. You and SundippedSuperman and whoever else are claiming that Morg was at 'above herald levels' and I have yet to see any evidence for this, or any evidence of the orb contributing significantly against Tyrant.

I want you to answer this question, and this is essentially what I've been saying from the very beginning; why would an orb containing the left over power of a herald level being do anything of any significant degree whatsoever to Tyrant when we have seen him easily defeat characters who are more powerful?

Originally posted by Cosmicus
I went back and re-read some stuff, and what I said still stands. You and SundippedSuperman and whoever else are claiming that Morg was at 'above herald levels' and I have yet to see any evidence for this, or any evidence of the orb contributing significantly against Tyrant.

I want you to answer this question, and this is essentially what I've been saying from the very beginning; why would an orb containing the left over power of a herald level being do anything of any significant degree whatsoever to Tyrant when we have seen him easily defeat characters who are more powerful?

Morg was above Herald level, and his battle with the other Heralds proves this. Terrax even stated that they were no match for him, and that he wold kill them all, which included the Silver Surfer. This is why Norrin went to seek aid from Galactus, who in turn removed the power cosmic from Morg, giving the other heralds the chance to kill him. Galactus then revives Morg, and once again restores the power cosmic to him. This means that Morg still possessed both the waters of life, and the power cosmic. Morg was also nearly drained of his power by Tyrant, which was on panel. So the left over power that was inside of that orb was actually a significant amount of power. Thanos was amplified while holding the orb, and to a decent degree, which is why his battle with Tyrant wasn't a total sweep in tyrant's favor. We saw how easily Galactus overpowered Thanos in the story where they fought the Hunger, and Tyrant was very close in power to Galactus. It is clear that Thanos was amplified by more than a mere high Heralds power.

Originally posted by zopzop
Because Morg still had the Well of Life spark in him. That was the only reason why Galactus was able to resurrect him. Then Galactus restored his PC. So it's Morg with Well of Life spark (at least) plus the PC.

Yep.

Originally posted by zopzop
Because Morg still had the Well of Life spark in him. That was the only reason why Galactus was able to resurrect him. Then Galactus restored his PC. So it's Morg with Well of Life spark (at least) plus the PC.

And this would totally explain why Tyrant was willing to risk an all out war with Galactus right there on the spot instead of giving up Morg. It also explains how he didn't give a shit about the other heralds at all. He could've kept all the other heralds and even siphoned them together but no.....he only wanted Morg. He pointed directly at Morg and said this one here is full of power which is sharply contrasted to what he thought about the others.

If the context behind that can not be understood I dunno what else to say.

Originally posted by Sundipped
And this would totally explain why Tyrant was willing to risk an all out war with Galactus right there on the spot instead of giving up Morg. It also explains how he didn't give a shit about the other heralds at all. He could've kept all the other heralds and even [b]siphoned them together but no.....he only wanted Morg. He pointed directly at Morg and said this one here is full of power which is sharply contrasted to what he thought about the others.

If the context behind that can not be understood I dunno what else to say. [/B]

[QUOTE=14771375]Originally posted by Stoic
[B]Morg was above Herald level, and his battle with the other Heralds proves this. Terrax even stated that they were no match for him, and that he wold kill them all, which included the Silver Surfer. This is why Norrin went to seek aid from Galactus, who in turn removed the power cosmic from Morg, giving the other heralds the chance to kill him. Galactus then revives Morg, and once again restores the power cosmic to him. This means that Morg still possessed both the waters of life, and the power cosmic. Morg was also nearly drained of his power by Tyrant, which was on panel. So the left over power that was inside of that orb was actually a significant amount of power. Thanos was amplified while holding the orb, and to a decent degree, which is why his battle with Tyrant wasn't a total sweep in tyrant's favor. We saw how easily Galactus overpowered Thanos in the story where they fought the Hunger, and Tyrant was very close in power to Galactus. It is clear that Thanos was amplified by more than a mere high Heralds power.

Yeah, I don't think this is correct. I invite you to show me one piece of evidence that the orb was amping him in that fight. Because the context of the fight mentions nothing of the sort. In fact, the context directly credits Thanos himself for holding his own against Tyrant and not the orb whatsoever.

Why do you think Morg still possessed the WOL after Galactus restored him? Where was that stated?

Originally posted by Cosmicus
[QUOTE=14771375]Originally posted by Stoic
[B]Morg was above Herald level, and his battle with the other Heralds proves this. Terrax even stated that they were no match for him, and that he wold kill them all, which included the Silver Surfer. This is why Norrin went to seek aid from Galactus, who in turn removed the power cosmic from Morg, giving the other heralds the chance to kill him. Galactus then revives Morg, and once again restores the power cosmic to him. This means that Morg still possessed both the waters of life, and the power cosmic. Morg was also nearly drained of his power by Tyrant, which was on panel. So the left over power that was inside of that orb was actually a significant amount of power. Thanos was amplified while holding the orb, and to a decent degree, which is why his battle with Tyrant wasn't a total sweep in tyrant's favor. We saw how easily Galactus overpowered Thanos in the story where they fought the Hunger, and Tyrant was very close in power to Galactus. It is clear that Thanos was amplified by more than a mere high Heralds power.

Yeah, I don't think this is correct. I invite you to show me one piece of evidence that the orb was amping him in that fight. Because the context of the fight mentions nothing of the sort. In fact, the context directly credits Thanos himself for holding his own against Tyrant and not the orb whatsoever.

Why do you think Morg still possessed the WOL after Galactus restored him? Where was that stated?

Tyrant said he was flush with power and risked a war to keep him as an energy source as opposed to ALL the other characters he captured (BRB, Surfer, Terrax, Jack of Hearts, Ganymede, Gladiator) :

Thanos went out of his way to acquire that SPECIFIC orb despite the hundreds of orbs Tyrant had (some even larger than the orb that held Morg's power).

Morg wasn't above the High Herald tier when Tyrant took his energy. The only time Morg was above that tier was when he had the WOL. Terrax did good against Morg like 3 times...wouldn't if Morg is above Herald tier then Tyrant should be as well (which is laughable).

Originally posted by zopzop
He possessed, at a MINIMUM, a spark of the Well of Life :

Tyrant said he was flush with power and risked a war to keep him as an energy source as opposed to ALL the other characters he captured (BRB, Surfer, Terrax, Jack of Hearts, Ganymede, Gladiator) :

Thanos went out of his way to acquire that SPECIFIC orb despite the hundreds of orbs Tyrant had (some even larger than the orb that held Morg's power).

Tyrant kept Morg instead of the others simply to spite Galactus. It had nothing to do with his power level. Anyway, Odin wins here. The additional power from the orb isn't going to be nearly enough.

Originally posted by carver9
Morg wasn't above the High Herald tier when Tyrant took his energy. The only time Morg was above that tier was when he had the WOL. Terrax did good against Morg like 3 times...wouldn't if Morg is above Herald tier then Tyrant should be as well (which is laughable).

Morg muscled through Thanos' blast and floored him, then before he could sink his axe into him, Thanos reached Terrax's axe and fended off the blow.

Morg did better vs Thanos than any herald that I can recall.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Tyrant kept Morg instead of the others simply to spite Galactus. It had nothing to do with his power level. Anyway, Odin wins here. The additional power from the orb isn't going to be nearly enough.

Also, Galactus specifically said the only reason why he was able to resurrect Morg was because of the Well of Life spark inside him.

Originally posted by zopzop
Why did he describe his as "flush with power"?

Also, Galactus specifically said the only reason why he was able to resurrect Morg was because of the Well of Life spark inside him.

Well, because he was flush with power. Tyrant also said that the Surfer was the most powerful of the ones he captured, including Morg. The WOL allowed Galactus to bring Morg back but that doesn't mean he still had the WOL augmentation. That was pretty clearly shown when Morg fought Terrax. I thought that it was pretty clear that Tyrant took Morg just to piss off Galactus.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Well, because he was flush with power. Tyrant also said that the Surfer was the most powerful of the ones he captured, including Morg. The WOL allowed Galactus to bring Morg back but that doesn't mean he still had the WOL augmentation. That was pretty clearly shown when Morg fought Terrax. I thought that it was pretty clear that Tyrant took Morg just to piss off Galactus.

Indeed. There was no mention of Morg still possessing the WOL, and Terrax matching him blow for blow clearly substantiates this. Also, if the orb was so significant then surely there would be context crediting it when Thanos fought Tyrant, and yet nothing of the sort was shown. Taking this into account, I really can't believe some of these people thought that an orb containing the left over power of one herald was supposed to be a threat to a Galactus level being.

Originally posted by Cosmicus
Indeed. There was no mention of Morg still possessing the WOL, and Terrax matching him blow for blow clearly substantiates this. Also, if the orb was so significant then surely there would be context crediting it when Thanos fought Tyrant, and yet nothing of the sort was shown. Taking this into account, I really can't believe some of these people thought that an orb containing the left over power of one herald was supposed to be a threat to a Galactus level being.

I do believe that the orb was augmenting Thanos' power a bit but, yeah, it wasn't nearly enough.

Originally posted by zopzop
How did you miss the fact that Morg took on a Team that consisted of Terrax/Ganymede/Thanos. In fact, Thanos specifically asked Ganymede for assistance in dealing with Morg.

Morg muscled through Thanos' blast and floored him, then before he could sink his axe into him, Thanos reached Terrax's axe and fended off the blow.

Morg did better vs Thanos than any herald that I can recall.

He fought those Heralds with the WOL. Give it to Surfer and he will be able to achieve the same thing.

He did have a good showing against Thanos but during that run, Jack of Hearts had a good showing against Tyrant. Hell, Jack hurt Tyrant more than Thanos with an amp did.

Also, that one fight doesn't exclude Morg other battles (without the WOL).

Originally posted by carver9
He fought those Heralds with the WOL. Give it to Surfer and he will be able to achieve the same thing.

He did have a good showing against Thanos but during that run, Jack of Hearts had a good showing against Tyrant. Hell, Jack hurt Tyrant more than Thanos with an amp did.

Also, that one fight doesn't exclude Morg other battles (without the WOL).

Thanos with the Orb actually knocked Tyrant off his feet and went H2H with him for a little bit before Tyrant floored him.