Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't ignore that part at all. Pay attention. I commented on his refusal to accept the statement with regards to knowledge.
I never said that you ignored it, but you did not include the energy part is what I was just adding to what you mentioned. This is an important part of the equation.
Originally posted by Stoic
While Morg was alive he possessed the power cosmic, and he also possessed the water's of life just like it is stated in the handbook entry. Anyone stating otherwise is wrong, and would basically be arguing with a canonical source.Handbooks are not the end all be all, but can be used to understand what a character possesses in terms of power set. Or should we argue with, or dismiss what they state about how the Hulk, Superman, Thor, or the Silver Surfer's powers work, or what these powers mean and can do? No we can not.
Bios and handbooks and the like have always been secondary sources only worth mentioning if they corroborate the on panel evidence in the comics. If there is no context suggesting Morg still possessed the WOL then based on what do we assume he still does?
Originally posted by carver9The comic doesn't lay that out in detail. Just the same as when we find Hulk is holding back. We don't know the percentages in how much he is holding back either. Knowledge means knowledge.
When did i ignore the word 'knowledge' Quan? I asked 'what knowledge did the orb give him'?
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Originally posted by quanchi112
The comic doesn't lay that out in detail. Just the same as when we find Hulk is holding back. We don't know the percentages in how much he is holding back either. Knowledge means knowledge.🙂
Lol...the metaphor you gave was terrible and didn't match what I am asking at all. The word knowledge isn't singular, at all, we need to determine what kind of knowledge it gave Thanos, which is what I am asking. What knowledge did it give him Quan? This is the most retarded argument ever.
Originally posted by Cosmicus
Bios and handbooks and the like have always been secondary sources only worth mentioning if they corroborate the on panel evidence in the comics. If there is no context suggesting Morg still possessed the WOL then based on what do we assume he still does?
It does corroborate the on panel evidence, and can't be ignored because of your opinion of the events that took place in the comic. There is no reason to believe that the WOL was not present within Morg because never once was it stated on panel that he had lost this power, and thus you have no grounds to state that he did not still possess it. All you have is opinion, while the fact remains that according to credible sources he still had the WOL. You're incorrect here just deal with it and move on.
If you have on panel evidence that the WOL was stripped from him, present it, if you can not then it is your opinion which holds no weight here. Perhaps we should seek an official ruling from a Moderator.
Originally posted by carver9facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.
Lol...the metaphor you gave was terrible and didn't match what I am asking at all. The word knowledge isn't singular, at all, we need to determine what kind of knowledge it gave Thanos, which is what I am asking. What knowledge did it give him Quan? This is the most retarded argument ever.
That is the definition. You can't ignore all panel evidence just because you're pouting over it.
The comic doesn't explain specifically just like it doesn't say how much hulk holds back percentage wise.
Great analogy.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.That is the definition. You can't ignore all panel evidence just because you're pouting over it.
The comic doesn't explain specifically just like it doesn't say how much hulk holds back percentage wise.
Great analogy.
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Lol...read your post Quan. Guess what, I just picked up this book and it gave me knowledge.
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What would you ask me after that Quan?
Originally posted by Stoic
It does corroborate the on panel evidence, and can't be ignored because of your opinion of the events that took place in the comic. There is no reason to believe that the WOL was not present within Morg because never once was it stated on panel that he had lost this power, and thus you have no grounds to state that he did not still possess it. All you have is opinion, while the fact remains that according to credible sources he still had the WOL. You're incorrect here just deal with it and move on.If you have on panel evidence that the WOL was stripped from him, present it, if you can not then it is your opinion which holds no weight here. Perhaps we should seek an official ruling from a Moderator.
The Silver Surfer beat Morg after he was resurrected. I don't think that would be possible if Morg still had the WOL. Not sure why this is even a debate.
Originally posted by Dampyre
The Silver Surfer beat Morg after he was resurrected. I don't think that would be possible if Morg still had the WOL. Not sure why this is even a debate.
Surfer beat Morg EASILY. Terrax stalemated him and gave him hell. When he had the WOL he STOMPED a group of Heralds. I would love for someone to explain this to me.
Originally posted by Stoic
It does corroborate the on panel evidence, and can't be ignored because of your opinion of the events that took place in the comic. There is no reason to believe that the WOL was not present within Morg because never once was it stated on panel that he had lost this power, and thus you have no grounds to state that he did not still possess it. All you have is opinion, while the fact remains that according to credible sources he still had the WOL. You're incorrect here just deal with it and move on.If you have on panel evidence that the WOL was stripped from him, present it, if you can not then it is your opinion which holds no weight here. Perhaps we should seek an official ruling from a Moderator.
It does, does it? Then go ahead and present the on panel evidence that suggests Morg still had it. Your logic that Morg still possessed the WOL despite there being no evidence in the comics, which is what we'ere supposed to go by, to suggest so is just flat out faulty. It's not my opinion, it's what was shown (or in this case not shown) in the comics. Again, bios don't cut it.
Well lets see, there was no on panel evidence from the comics, and the fact that he was matched by Terrax.
Originally posted by carver9
Surfer beat Morg EASILY. Terrax stalemated him and gave him hell. When he had the WOL he STOMPED a group of Heralds. I would love for someone to explain this to me.
Well, I don't necessarily agree here. The Surfer had to take the gloves off to beat Morg. Anything less and he would have lost, IMO. Terrax put up a good fight but was clearly outclassed. Morg was a close second to the Surfer in power.
Originally posted by Dampyre
The Silver Surfer beat Morg after he was resurrected. I don't think that would be possible if Morg still had the WOL. Not sure why this is even a debate.
There could be a reason for this, or several that I don't know of, or fully understand to have happened. Morg may not have had the power cosmic at that period in time, if at all. This is what is known; in their first encounter, Morg defeated the Surfer easily, and he did it while possessing the power cosmic alone. We then later see Galactus remove the power cosmic from him, and the other Heralds killed him, while he only had the WOL.
There were issues of inconsistencies that plagued Morg's, and Tyrant's history due to writer discrepancy, which I stated way back in this same thread. This is something that me and Zop spoke about in a similar thread a of couple years ago. but then there are statements albeit handbook statements supporting the idea that at the end of his life that he still had possession of the WOL. Then there is the possibility of an unexplained retcon that could have happened.
All the same, I can't explain writer error, because I didn't hack up the story in order to do a rush job on Morg's final day in the sun. Everything makes sense up until a certain point in his history, and then.... It was so bad that Terrax give Morg a decent fight, and then Morg turns around and gives Thanos one. It's so bad that I will likely refuse to support anything that has Morg vs anyone after a certain point in his history. Real murky shit.
Originally posted by Cosmicus
It does, does it? Then go ahead and present the on panel evidence that suggests Morg still had it. Your logic that Morg still possessed the WOL despite there being no evidence in the comics, which is what we'ere supposed to go by, to suggest so is just flat out faulty. It's not my opinion, it's what was shown (or in this case not shown) in the comics. Again, bios don't cut it.Well lets see, there was no on panel evidence from the comics, and the fact that he was matched by Terrax.
Just as there is no evidence of the WOL being taken away from him, but actual proof that the power cosmic was removed from him. All the same the inconsistencies are so large that we may both be correct along the lines. I can't defend against what was not written, or claim more than what was. Like I said, when Morg had the power cosmic, he beat the Surfer badly, and with conviction. When he lost it, the Surfer beat him.I think that the question should be, Did Morg have the power cosmic? Was it returned to him? Why was he able to give Thanos a decent fight, and have a hard time with Terrax? none of his history after the Herald ordeal is contiguous.
Originally posted by Stoic
Just as there is no evidence of the WOL being taken away from him, but actual proof that the power cosmic was removed from him. All the same the inconsistencies are so large that we may both be correct along the lines. I can't defend against what was not written, or claim more than what was. Like I said, when Morg had the power cosmic, he beat the Surfer badly, and with conviction. When he lost it, the Surfer beat him.I think that the question should be, Did Morg have the power cosmic? Was it returned to him? Why was he able to give Thanos a decent fight, and have a hard time with Terrax? none of his history after the Herald ordeal is contiguous.
Me asking you for proof that he still possessed it and you answering with prove that he DIDN'T still possess it is faulty logic.
Wait, what? The Power Cosmic is his standard power, I think you're mixing it up with the WOL. Morg without the WOL was defeated by Silver Surfer. The only possible inconsistency I see is his short fight with Thanos, and come on, it was a minor struggle at best, lets not make it more than it was. But when we take into account that he was matched by Terrax in the same issue, defeated by Silver Surfer, and the fact that his peers have always been inferior to Thanos, kind of makes it hard to swallow the assertion that he had the WOL based on that fight alone, which is also ignoring the fact of there not being any context substantiating it.
Originally posted by carver9You would have knowledge as to that book. Thanos gained knowledge with regards to the orb. Do you need people to hold your hands when you read a comic. You don't even raise one valid point. Your debating style says ignorance is bliss. If you can't comprehend the word knowledge then don't read comics.
Lol...read your post Quan. Guess what, I just picked up this book and it gave me knowledge.😐
What would you ask me after that Quan?