.... Six -Vs- Thanos .....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True, he does not die. Just gets BFR'd. I concede that point!

Ego problem? You only ever seem to dodge points, and fling mud. This is the third encounter I've had with you - the first, on whether WBH is applicable for WWH (and we know how that turned out), second, on PM vs Supergirl (with a subsequent comic showing Supergirl blitzing Superman, which I didn't post so as not to bump the thread) and third, this.

In all three, you start getting aggressive when people disagree with you. Still no counter to the initial post by h1a8, which is apparently 'full circle' for you (maybe your circles are actually spirals?).

1. Prove that when Surfer et al attack Thanos, they are using their full speed. Should be simple, right? This would prove conclusively that Thanos would pimphand Superman away, and I will shut up about it.

2. You seem to have ignored this, however, and now turn to TP, rather than physical. So prove that the TP would be faster than 30m/s as LAID OUT IN THE FORUM RULES. Again, simple.

Until then, anything else is just you typing a load of galaxy-level fluff.

H1a8? Did he bring up something or is this just another one of your red herring tactics? I've already dealt with your imaginative route on how this would go down. And I never contended that Thanos was faster than Superman, or the Silver Surfer in terms of flight speed. Thanos was able to stop a blitz from the Fallen One, and unless you are stating that a Herald of Galactus moves slow I don't see what point you think that you have made?

We were talking about Superman, and then it was you that made the jump to He-Man taking this without giving any reason for him winning. You couldn't even answer him breaking out of a force cube that would take more strength than Thor amped up on Power Gem energy.

1. So going back to Thanos' ability to hit guys that move faster than he does when in flight we can go with the Fallen One. He's as much a part of this thread as the Surfer is.

2. Why would Thanos' thought have to catch up to Superman if he is in his face? Is he somehow going to mistake Superman being in his face with the rock lying at his feet?

3. When you stop trying to play me for a dummy, perhaps I will stop being aggressive with you. it has nothing to do with you disagreeing with me, and more to do with deceit on your part. if you're wrong, be wrong, but to attempt to wriggle out of a situation deceptively is pretty grimy. After all this is a debate on fictitious characters. You having a big ego is what my impression of a person is when they lack the ability to admit when they are wrong. Why did I draw this conclusion? Just go back and read the answers that you gave for Superman's team avoiding a TP assault. Your reply was weak, and you never gave a reason for why it would not work, only that it would be too slow.

Too slow for what exactly?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
says who? You lol.

Betrayal!! Are you 5 yrs old.

Yeah sure you did , yeah because you're fat .

Of course you did , being sad like that is what you do

Quan isn't a fatty or a hillbilly, but I'd wager you would kick his ass 10/10 with no effort.

He-Man Slices his head off.

Superman flies away to get a some speakers, flies back with them playing The Touch, Optimus proceeds to wreck.

The End.

Originally posted by Stoic
H1a8? Did he bring up something or is this just another one of your red herring tactics? I've already dealt with your imaginative route on how this would go down. And I never contended that Thanos was faster than Superman, or the Silver Surfer in terms of flight speed. Thanos was able to stop a blitz from the Fallen One, and unless you are stating that a Herald of Galactus moves slow I don't see what point you think that you have made?

We were talking about Superman, and then it was you that made the jump to He-Man taking this without giving any reason for him winning. You couldn't even answer him breaking out of a force cube that would take more strength than Thor amped up on Power Gem energy.

1. So going back to Thanos' ability to hit guys that move faster than he does when in flight we can go with the Fallen One. He's as much a part of this thread as the Surfer is.

2. Why would Thanos' thought have to catch up to Superman if he is in his face? Is he somehow going to mistake Superman being in his face with the rock lying at his feet?

3. When you stop trying to play me for a dummy, perhaps I will stop being aggressive with you. it has nothing to do with you disagreeing with me, and more to do with deceit on your part. if you're wrong, be wrong, but to attempt to wriggle out of a situation deceptively is pretty grimy. After all this is a debate on fictitious characters. You having a big ego is what my impression of a person is when they lack the ability to admit when they are wrong. Why did I draw this conclusion? Just go back and read the answers that you gave for Superman's team avoiding a TP assault. Your reply was weak, and you never gave a reason for why it would not work, only that it would be too slow.

Too slow for what exactly?

Originally posted by h1a8
Another hidden thread to convince people that Thanos is above Superman. For the millionth time, Superman would stomp Thanos solo. He's stronger, faster, more mobile, and almost as durable.

Speed alone proves the win.

Made the jump to He-man?

Check page 1.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He man wins.

You then started replying to h1:

Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos has TP. What good is Thundarr the Barbarian here? Ukla the Mak, and Princess Ariel aren't here to save him, nor would his spirit sword help him out. Optimus is in over his head. He Man, and Thor may find themselves fighting each other due to his TP, and the lion guy... LOL.

Which, considering you were replying to h1's post about speed....didn't actually address his original point, that about speed.

I then came back in, and said h1 had some good points. About speed. Which you have still ignored.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Quan isn't a fatty or a hillbilly, but I'd wager you would kick his ass 10/10 with no effort.

He-Man Slices his head off.

😉

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Made the jump to He-man?

Check page 1.

You then started replying to h1:

Which, considering you were replying to h1's post about speed....didn't actually address his original point, that about speed.

I then came back in, and said h1 had some good points. About speed. Which you have still ignored.

I was not part of the discussion when you said that He'Man would win this for his team.

H1 spoke of speed, I spoke of an equalizer to speed in the form of TP. I don't believe that the speed in which his thoughts will operate are going to be a problem when the opponent is in his face. I also know that thought moves at the rate of any impulse would move, which is a heck of a lot faster than what forum rules give it. But adhering to the rules I am saying that it does not matter, because all of the opponents of team one will not be a light year away, which is also adhering to forum rules. They are in close proximity. Lion guy, Optimus, Thundar, He-Man could all be trapped in force cubes. This is a certainty. Superman is the only one that can be argued to be able to outrace containment by dodging due to his ability to pin point twitch muscles. However he can not, and has not ever been able to detect thought in order to outrace it. None of his senses are capable of picking them up from what I know of him in the DCnU.

So yes H1 had good points on his speed argument, but there is TP that can equalize his speed. He could make Superman believe that he is hitting him while Superman is actually striking one of his team, or a rock for all it matters. I mean if you want to go the non PIS route. This is all that I'm saying here, and it could be a viable way for him to win.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Made the jump to He-man?

Check page 1.

You then started replying to h1:

Which, considering you were replying to h1's post about speed....didn't actually address his original point, that about speed.

I then came back in, and said h1 had some good points. About speed. Which you have still ignored.

Also did you see my first sentence to H1? Thanos has TP? did you see that, because the rest had nothing to do with what he said. i addressed the speed issue with my first sentence if you want to know what i was thinking at that moment.

Don't know how fast Superman combats but he does have some impressive combat showings. Is it to the point of overwhelming Thanos. I completely disagree but I can see him landing the most licks...AND I can see them licks hurting. My point is, Superman will give Thanos a fight.

Can Superman take out Thanos by himself? Hell no, but when you add in people like Thor and He man, the possibilities becomes enormous.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't know how fast Superman combats but he does have some impressive combat showings. Is it to the point of overwhelming Thanos. I completely disagree but I can see him landing the most licks...AND I can see them licks hurting. My point is, Superman will give Thanos a fight.

Can Superman take out Thanos by himself? Hell no, but when you add in people like Thor and He man, the possibilities becomes enormous.

What about force cubes? Do they become enormous when they get trapped in them? Can they break out if even Thor with the Power Gem could not? have you factored in TP as a speed equalizer? What about Thanos' other abilities like mysticism, and transmutation? Can Superman hit much harder than Thor with Mjolnir, because Thor didn't do much to Thanos. Do you have the scans of that exchange just to show the damage done? My point is this. If Thanos can take hits from Odin, and Tyrant who were above this team in every way, and Thanos was able to keep getting up, how is Superman going to drop him, or make this remotely competitive?

Originally posted by Stoic
What about force cubes? Do they become enormous when they get trapped in them? Can they break out if even Thor with the Power Gem could not? have you factored in TP as a speed equalizer? What about Thanos' other abilities like mysticism, and transmutation? Can Superman hit much harder than Thor with Mjolnir, because Thor didn't do much to Thanos. Do you have the scans of that exchange just to show the damage done? My point is this. If Thanos can take hits from Odin, and Tyrant who were above this team in every way, and Thanos was able to keep getting up, how is Superman going to drop him, or make this remotely competitive?

The force block would work...just don't think he would have the time to use it in an ongoing team battle like this. He would be surrounded as soon as the battle starts.

TP is a good factor as well. He could use it to possibly change the tides.

Thor hammer hit knocked him off of his ft. He didn't look so happy after it. Overall, that was far away from tanking an attack. The answer to your question is no, I don't think Superman could hit harder than Mjlonir but at the same time, it doesn't matter since he didn't tank it.

I agree with you...things becomes interesting when you think of everything Thanos and the crew has done but if you think about what they have done as well, you'll see the possibilities here (Thor alone has withstood attacks from an enraged Odin that was trying to kill him and an Odin inside of the Destroyer armor, that's just a piece of what he has done...Thor have fts matching Thanos but Thanos fts are more consistent).

Originally posted by quanchi112
In insane titans defense he doesn't know what fat means. He wouldn't say two things to me in real life. Believe that.

😉

Make sure you ask your mom if you're allowed to leave the basement first

Originally posted by carver9
The force block would work...just don't think he would have the time to use it in an ongoing team battle like this. He would be surrounded as soon as the battle starts.

TP is a good factor as well. He could use it to possibly change the tides.

Thor hammer hit knocked him off of his ft. He didn't look so happy after it. Overall, that was far away from tanking an attack. The answer to your question is no, I don't think Superman could hit harder than Mjlonir but at the same time, it doesn't matter since he didn't tank it.

I agree with you...things becomes interesting when you think of everything Thanos and the crew has done but if you think about what they have done as well, you'll see the possibilities here (Thor alone has withstood attacks from an enraged Odin that was trying to kill him and an Odin inside of the Destroyer armor, that's just a piece of what he has done...Thor have fts matching Thanos but Thanos fts are more consistent).

You don't think that he tanked it? Juggernaut absorbing the blows given to him is not the definition of tanking a hit. Do you have the scans? What I saw was Thanos tanking the hit. Did you see him fall to one knee? Did he scream out in pain? Was he launched by the attack? Once Betsy Braddock used her TP to make the X-Men believe that they were hitting her, but instead they were hitting inanimate objects that she made them think was her. Thanos imo is a far more powerful telepath. None of these guys have any feats of resisting Thanos' TP outside of Thor, but then again he has those force cubes. Do I think that they could win? Sure if Thanos is off of his game, but usually he's pretty good in terms of combat, and it took quite a team of Avengers to take him down, and that was when he was in a weakened condition no less. I think that this is his fight to lose.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
bwhahahahaha , any time tough guy.

Make sure you ask your mom if you're allowed to leave the basement first

Such a childish remark.

Originally posted by Stoic
You don't think that he tanked it? Juggernaut absorbing the blows given to him is not the definition of tanking a hit. Do you have the scans? What I saw was Thanos tanking the hit. Did you see him fall to one knee? Did he scream out in pain? Was he launched by the attack? Once Betsy Braddock used her TP to make the X-Men believe that they were hitting her, but instead they were hitting inanimate objects that she made them think was her. Thanos imo is a far more powerful telepath. None of these guys have any feats of resisting Thanos' TP outside of Thor, but then again he has those force cubes. Do I think that they could win? Sure if Thanos is off of his game, but usually he's pretty good in terms of combat, and it took quite a team of Avengers to take him down, and that was when he was in a weakened condition no less. I think that this is his fight to lose.

Yes I have the scan.

Thor hits him with a hammer shot. Look at the second attack Thor tries to land. He is standing 'above' Thanos. Thanos is clearly on the ground and it's obvious he didn't tank said hit, even going by the expression on his face.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-06-18-10-58-56_zps7a2d24be.png.html

Also, I just noticed something. Before confronting Thanos and the crew, Cap and Thor told Hulk to hold back...contain himself. Told him to soften them up until they joined the battle.

Hhhhmmmm....

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Hulk/Screenshot_2014-06-18-11-00-15_zps44dbf092.png.html

Thanos have the tools to win... I agree. I just never seen him take on a powerful team like this by himself. I have never seen him use everything in one fight. Ninety percent of the time, he is usually punching and blasting. If we are debating based off powerset, then the team stomps.

What are you basing the team stomps off of ? Give me an example.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What are you basing the team stomps off of ? Give me an example.

I said "if we based the fight off of powerset". Never said in actuality, the team would win. Reread my post. By the way...I'm still gathering scenes for my post in the battlezone. Didn't know your FIRST post was going to be so in depth.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You wouldn't even remember me if you saw a pic a few hours ago. I feel like you've had one to many concussions.

Such a childish remark.

Ha really coming from the guy who says "betrayal of a comic book character" idiot

Originally posted by Supermex
Who wins?
No prep..
No B.F.R..

Team of Six

Superman Dcnu
He-Man
Thor
Lion-O
Octimus Prime
Thundarr

Vs

Thanos

Fight takes place in Dcu Metropolis

Hmm...

While I think Thanos probably wins, I think it's funny this thread has devolved into a Superman Vs. Thanos thread when you have all the magic and power of Eternia and the Eye of Thundera on one side of the battlefield and it gets zero mention.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is not how a character would fight in a comic book. We have forum rules. You can't ignore them because it suits you.
Full capacity prevents characters from losing their 'always on' abilities mid battle and makes them operate at optimal ability.

I don't care how many times Superman has been hit (It's completely ok for Superman to get hit by beings close to his speed). Either he purposely allowed himself to get hit (which is character), his speed and reflexes were turned OFF for the sake of the plot, or the characters were close to his speed or faster.

Since you are arguing character then you must believe that former, Superman purposely gets hit. If so, then he will purposely get hit here as well (maybe to gauge Thanos power). But make no mistake, Superman can and will turn on the speed at any time during the match.

Why would Thanos crush Superman if he uses his speed? What good are reactions when Thanos is too slow. Superman can literally move more than 5ft before Thanos can move an inch. What good are reactions then?

Lastly, how would Thanos crush Superman if speed was equal? Superman will start weaker than Thanos due to holding back but will eventually surpass him when he sees the Titan's power. Superman that's not holding back is stronger than Thanos. If you disagree then you don't know Superman's feats at all. Yes I know Thanos strength feats. His highest ones are beating on Surfer and grappling with Drax to make a planet destroy itself.

So you didn't answer... who you like to do a feat comparison on how many times superman hasn't been tagged in a fight and how many times he has? It seems like you're conceding he does get tagged and will get tagged... which is in stark contrasts to you saying he wouldn't ever get hit and thanos would be a statue. I'm glad I could help you understand what fighting in character means.. seems like you were confused. Glad you're not now. Superman doesn't fight how h1a8 wants him to fight on this forum.. he fight in character. Period.

Thanos has had his hands at his side as Thor is throwing his hammer.. We've seen how fast Thor's hammer can go.. it even has FTL speed feats... Thanos reacted fast enough to raise his hand and stop it mid flight AFTER it was thrown. Thanos has stopped a bull rush from the Fallen one that is a confirmed trans light speed character. That is his move.. a bull rush.. Thanos stopped him mid flight with ease. There is the scene with The Maker where they are within 3 or 4 feet of each other fighting. Thanos reacts to a blast and swats it away before it hits him. That is standing THAT close he's able to react to a energy blast... we all know how fast those travel. We've seen Thanos literally TELEPORT out of the way of Surfer trying to blast him and react fast enough to Teleport away before being hit.. he's done this numerous time to Surfer. Thanos reaction feats make it clear he can deal with Superman's speed and tag him.. and when he tags him enough time he'll go down and down hard.

To say nothing of him just either TPing him or forceblocking him right away and incapacitating him for the duration of the fight. Easy wins for Thanos there.. this is what happens when somebody is just as strong or stronger and way more versatile.. it becomes THAT easy

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just to weigh in.

I've had several debates against h1 in the past, and yes, I have mocked him as well.

But.

His arguments are pretty solid, in this case.

Does Superman have superspeed in combat? Yes.
Is it faster than, say, Spiderman or Iron Fist in combat? Yes. which is to say, its Superspeed.
Does he use it? Well, when he knows who his opponent is, and what they can do, yes. BUT, a lot of the times, he does not.
Is he smart? Yes. To the point where, when he's getting creamed, he will use his advatanges.

Now.

When Silver Surfer/Gladiator/Flash fights someone, do THEY always use their speed? No.
Does that mean their opponents have superspeed on their level? Do Captain Cold, Mirror Master, the Trickster - do they have super reflexes? No.

In a forum, where PIS is turned off, then every character uses their full abilities. UNLESS they are hindered by CIS. But you'd have to be pretty stupid to be in a forum fight, be losing, and then go, you know what, all this punching so far is losing the battle for me....better keep going at the same rate just in case.

Actually his argument don't have merit as I've shown above. They have to fight in character.. and it's in character for superman not to fight that way. If you want to do a feat comparison like I challenge H1a8 2 I would be more than happy with that. Superman has SUBSTANTIALLY more so than not been tagged and tagged multiple times in fights. This whole ohhh if he knows who he's fight he'll fight with super speed also doesn't hold water AT ALL. He's been crushed by Seid before yet hasn't fought him with Superman speed each time. Same with Marvel.. Orion... Grundy.. Doomsday.. Gog... this list goes on and on with people that have taken it to superman and yet he didn't go all out with speed even knowing who he's fighting. So no, neither of your argument have much merit.