Vitiate vs Darth Tenebrous

Originally posted by NewGuy01
And Tenebrous is faster than that. Also, why do you think Vitiate is as fast as the Hero? Hell, why does it matter since he doesn't use a lightsaber anyway?

I'm not convinced that he is. Vitiate is as fast as the Hero is because he started the fight with the Hero's lightsaber a foot from his face and still put up a good, lengthy fight. So at the least he's capable of dealing with opponents as fast as the Hero in very close quarters and hold them off for a while. Which definitely means he isn't getting blitzed.

I'm not convinced that he is. Vitiate is as fast as the Hero is because he started the fight with the Hero's lightsaber a foot from his face and still put up a good, lengthy fight. So at the least he's capable of dealing with opponents as fast as the Hero in very close quarters and hold them off for a while. Which definitely means he isn't getting blitzed.

None of which is superior to moving faster than arguably the fastest Dark lord of the Sith next to Palpatine 👆

Last time I checked he got slashed in the abdomen.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Last time I checked he got slashed in the abdomen.

Not because the Hero outsped him, because they pushed through his lightning.

Originally posted by carthage
His reaction time isn't sufficient, and or HOT's speed tier is a class beneath Tenebrous's to make this musing irrelevant. Plagueis is faster than Hero, and Tenebrous is faster than Plagueis (at that point in time). Vitiate would not be able to react to someone who is faster than HOT.

Originally posted by carthage
Irrelevant because Tenebrous can absorb it with his lightsaber 👆

Originally posted by carthage
Tenebrous is faster and there is no way to correspond that occasion in a what if scenario with Tenebrous's lightsabor absorbing it.

Originally posted by carthage
Feats >> meaningless accolades

Vitiate has nothing to suggest he can even react to Tenebrous, and he is featless without prep so this is a slaughterhouse for Tenebrous. Vitiate gets blitzed and destroyed

Vitiate comfortably reacted to the Hero while weakened in a voice body. Full power Vitiate would certainly be capable of being able to react a speed tier higher, at the very least to the extent to which he would not get blitzed

Plagueis has evaded and deflected blaster fire from small armies of droids, moved as described as a bolt of red lightning, kept up with a young Palpatine in sparrng matches, and still couldn't keep up with Tenebrous. Again come back when HOT has speed feats that match up with Tenebrous or Plagueis, because constantly reiterating that same stupid point doesn't mean Vitiate can even react to Tenebrous's speed

So could Revan, but it still stopped him in his tracks. Even if someone can block lightning with their lightsaber, it's stopping power can still be used to keep someone at a distance or halt them short of a killing blow.

Vitiate has no off nexus showings to prove his lightning is as powerful. Also you haven't refuted my argument he can even perceive Tenebrous's movements. He wont even see him coming, Dooku maybe, Tenebrous not so much. His lightning is irrelevant come Tenebrous's speed

This is your problem. Whenever there is any obscurity surrounding a character you hate, you completely dismiss other indications of their power, such as accolades and logic, solely because of your distaste for that character.

I dismiss him because he is fodder without a nexus or prep. There is no reason to believe his accolades at all unless he has conditions that benefit him. Prove otherwise with off nexus feats, oh wait Vitshit has none!

Originally posted by carthage
Plagueis has evaded and deflected blaster fire from small armies of droids, moved as described as a bolt of red lightning, kept up with a young Palpatine in sparrng matches, and still couldn't keep up with Tenebrous. Again come back when HOT has speed feats that match up with Tenebrous or Plagueis, because constantly reiterating that same stupid point doesn't mean Vitiate can even react to Tenebrous's speed

You were the one who said that the Hero was one speed class below Tenebrous. I'm following your line of logic when I say that a full powered Vitiate should be able to react to someone one tier up from the Hero if he could react to the Hero while weakened.

Particularly if he was able to react when the Hero's blade was a foot from his face. And the Hero has blitzed high ranking Sith before, so his speed is not to be underestimated.

Originally posted by carthage
Vitiate has no off nexus showings to prove his lightning is as powerful. Also you haven't refuted my argument he can even perceive Tenebrous's movements. He wont even see him coming, Dooku maybe, Tenebrous not so much. His lightning is irrelevant come Tenebrous's speed

Originally posted by carthage
I dismiss him because he is fodder without a nexus or prep. There is no reason to believe his accolades at all unless he has conditions that benefit him. Prove otherwise with off nexus feats, oh wait Vitshit has none!

Plagueis did this shit after Tenebrous died.

Irrelevant to the fact that even in a younger stage of his life Plagueis was still unable to keep up with his master. Showcasing Plagueis's speed feats demonstrate both Sith are in a higher speed tier than Vitshit and HOT. They are not mutually exclusive as a determinant to prove that Tenebrous is of a higher order than anyone Vitiate has faced with regards to speed.

I'm following your line of logic when I say that a full powered Vitiate should be able to react to someone one tier up from the Hero if he could react to the Hero while weakened.

A fully powered Vitiate is pure theoretical bullshit. A weakened Vitshit reacting to Tython isn't the same as someone who has moved faster than the 3rd strongest Dark lord of the Sith. Try again.

Particularly if he was able to react when the Hero's blade was a foot from his face. And the Hero has blitzed high ranking Sith before, so his speed is not to be underestimated.

High ranking fodder Sith of his age, not a penultimate Dark lord. But again its irrelevant as you're using a hypothetical Vitshit, who has no feats of his own/the Vitshit that fought Tython is simply incomparable based on the feats I listed for Plagueis and Tenebrous unless demonstrated otherwise with tangible feats.

How do you figure 3rd strongest?

I called Plagueis third strongest.

Originally posted by carthage
Irrelevant to the fact that even in a younger stage of his life Plagueis was still unable to keep up with his master. Showcasing Plagueis's speed feats demonstrate both Sith are in a higher speed tier than Vitshit and HOT. They are not mutually exclusive as a determinant to prove that Tenebrous is of a higher order than anyone Vitiate has faced with regards to speed.

Originally posted by carthage
A fully powered Vitiate is pure theoretical bullshit. A weakened Vitshit reacting to Tython isn't the same as someone who has moved faster than the 3rd strongest Dark lord of the Sith. Try again.

Plagueis was hardly that high up on the totem poll at the particular time when Tenebrous was faster than him.

Originally posted by carthage
High ranking fodder Sith of his age, not a penultimate Dark lord.

Originally posted by carthage
But again its irrelevant as you're using a hypothetical Vitshit, who has no feats of his own/the Vitshit that fought Tython is simply incomparable based on the feats I listed for Plagueis and Tenebrous unless demonstrated otherwise with tangible feats.

Vitiate still has an orgy of accolades that you are completely choosing to ignore. And you know what Vitiate has done unamped... mind****ed sith, snapped a Sith's neck as a child, and has what is among the five most powerful levels of force lightning in the mythos.

You are alone in your rock bottom ranking of Vitiate. Your hatred has blinded you.

It is relevant that Plagueis had not yet reached the level of power at which you cite his speed feats in comparison with his barely being able to keep up with Tenebrous. Vitiate has also never had a problem reacting to anyone before.

Ok. So Vitiate can now react to a person that can outrun one of the apex Sith lords. Plagueis's speed feats are hardly irrelevant as his showings don't differ all that much from when he was with Tenebrous. He still could cover kilometers on Baldemnic in no time at all, he still could move faster than 114d could perceive (not long off of Tenebrous's death). Vitiate has never fought someone as fast as Tenebrous, and likely couldn't survive.

A fully powered Vitiate is not "theoretical bullshit." Vitiate was in a weakened state when fighting the Hero and was in a voice body.

Plagueis was hardly that high up on the totem poll at the particular time when Tenebrous was faster than him.

Plagueis had enough force power to cloud Tenebrous's judgement and help him support cathedral sized boulders about to fall on them. He was a near ascendant Dark lord and even then his feats at the first half of his novel are still better off nexus showings than Vitiate for both him and Tenebrous

Vitiate still has an orgy of accolades that you are completely choosing to ignore. And you know what Vitiate has done unamped... mind****ed sith, snapped a Sith's neck as a child, and has what is among the five most powerful levels of force lightning in the mythos.

Vitiate's accolades are meaningless, enough said. He mind****ed Sith on Korriban ( a nexus), and who cares if he randomly killed some no name character? Nothing proves he's even in the top 10 Sith let alone standing against the arguably 2nd strongest Banite sith

Are you aware that Sith.... other than Vitiate benefit from nexuses too? 😐

Whether it was on Korriban (it wasn't, lawl) is meaningless.

He was still amped.

Also whether or not other Sith have benefited from amps in their showings doesn't mean they are completely devoid of showings off nexus which Vitiate is and proves he is weak and useless

No he wasn't, because he didn't do it on Korriban genius.

And my point was that if he had mindraped a Sith on Korriban, the Sith would be benefiting from the nexus as well. So it would be no different than if Vitiate mindraped him in a Taco Bell, the difference in power wouldn't actually change.

It would've benefited because he has no nexus feats to show that he is capable of doing the same thing against Tenebrous or Jar Jar binks for that matter. (OFF NEXUS)

Boy debating with you causes a headache that not even a hangover could compare to.

Originally posted by carthage
Ok. So Vitiate can now react to a person that can outrun one of the apex Sith lords. Plagueis's speed feats are hardly irrelevant as his showings don't differ all that much from when he was with Tenebrous. He still could cover kilometers on Baldemnic in no time at all, he still could move faster than 114d could perceive (not long off of Tenebrous's death). Vitiate has never fought someone as fast as Tenebrous, and likely couldn't survive.

Plagueis had enough force power to cloud Tenebrous's judgement and help him support cathedral sized boulders about to fall on them. He was a near ascendant Dark lord and even then his feats at the first half of his novel are still better off nexus showings than Vitiate for both him and Tenebrous

Originally posted by carthage
Vitiate's accolades are meaningless, enough said.

Originally posted by carthage
He mind****ed Sith on Korriban ( a nexus)

Originally posted by carthage
Nothing proves he's even in the top 10 Sith let alone standing against the arguably 2nd strongest Banite sith

And having accolades as great and many as his is enough to get into the top five.

The accolades are established in Canon sources. Your own statements don't hold nearly enough weight to take away their meaning.

Sure they are if he can't replicate the same feats he's renowned for off nexus. He hasn't and he likely isn't capable of it, as he has no showings that demonstrate the contrary. Try again

Given that a weakened Vitiate had no problem handling the speed of someone who's blade was less than a foot away from his face, someone who, in your own words, was only one speed tier beneath Tenebrous, it is a stupid notion that Vitiate would get blitzed by Tenebrous.

You haven't demonstrated that Vitiate is capable of reacting to someone who has moved faster than Tython. But w/e continue to ignore that

It wasn't Korriban, and a nexus would have no impact on him mind****ing Sith.

Again prove it. What off nexus feats does he have to suggest he can? ZERO

With Vitiate's space station being above the planet, wouldn't that count, since it's not on a nexus?

Unlikely Newguy showed circumstantial evidence that it was still affected in orbit around Dromund Kaas. The fact that he's never demonstrated anything off another planet that wasn't close to an area influenced by the darkside is telling as well