Atheism, Religion and Arrogance.

Hello my name is Fated Xtasy and I am an agnostic. I don't disbelieve nor believe in a god. the way I see it is that we all search for something to find comfort in, whether its for the death of a loved one or perhaps something else. we all find faith and belief in something. I for one don't care for religion or its counterpart. many people say that Atheism is a better way to live and many other people say that becoming a Christian, muslim, jew etcetera, is also a great choice. I for one see no difference between religious people and non-religious folk(Atheists) both EXUDE an intolerable arrogance, with some Christian and the like blindly following things that to me(and you) sound quite illogical, while Atheist seem very stuck up and arrogant - "haha you believe in god!? what a dumbass". they believe themselves to be on a much higher place of status than religious people, just because they aren't "blinded" by religion. not to mention some(not all) are hell bent on destroying religion. to me that's something you do when you're afraid. when you fear other people's opinions.

Both factions are arrogant to a fault, with both claiming superiority over the other.

Honestly I've always said "Who gives a ****?" why? because for atheist they constantly berate and talk down to religious people and religion constantly contradicts itself. honestly I don't care for any religion. nor do I whether or not you're a Christian, muslim, jew etcetera. what matters to me is that you treat people - whether you're religious or not, with kindness. I know this wont ever reach anyone. but seriously atheist stop trying to make people think or see YOUR truth, because it's their belief not yours, I remember an episode of the TV show scrubs at one point explored this. the doctor asked his nurse 'why do you even bother?" and the nursed replied. "In my work I see a lot of people die, kids, old people, so stop trying to take the one thing that keeps me going"(im paraphrasing) that made so much sense for me. why try to take or destroy someone's faith in something? especially when it's something that helps them cope with death, failure and other horrible things that happened to them? Why question a man who doesn't believe in god, whose focus keeps him working hard to feed his family? in my opinion we shouldn't questions someone's religion nor should anyone question yours or mine. simply because its OUR choice not anyone else's. as George Carlin once said. "Why the **** would you be proud of being an American, Italian, irish or anything?(or in this case a atheist/religious, if your happy with it that's fine - do that! put that on your car, "Happy to be an American" Be happy don't be proud - to much pride as it is. "Pride Cometh before a fall" don't forget the proverbs. if your happy with your religion good for you! if your happy not being religious, good for you! but don't become arrogant or try to convert people into your things. respect one another, we're all humans. 🙂

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Hello my name is Fated Xtasy and I am an agnostic. I don't disbelieve nor believe in a god. the way I see it is that we all search for something to find comfort in, whether its for the death of a loved one or perhaps something else. we all find faith and belief in something. I for one don't care for religion or its counterpart. many people say that Atheism is a better way to live and many other people say that becoming a Christian, muslim, jew etcetera, is also a great choice. I for one see no difference between religious people and non-religious folk(Atheists) both EXUDE an intolerable arrogance, with some Christian and the like blindly following things that to me(and you) sound quite illogical, while Atheist seem very stuck up and arrogant - "haha you believe in god!? what a dumbass". they believe themselves to be on a much higher place of status than religious people, just because they aren't "blinded" by religion. not to mention some(not all) are hell bent on destroying religion. to me that's something you do when you're afraid. when you fear other people's opinions.

Both factions are arrogant to a fault, with both claiming superiority over the other.

Honestly I've always said "Who gives a ****?" why? because for atheist they constantly berate and talk down to religious people and religion constantly contradicts itself. honestly I don't care for any religion. nor do I whether or not you're a Christian, muslim, jew etcetera. what matters to me is that you treat people - whether you're religious or not, with kindness. I know this wont ever reach anyone. but seriously atheist stop trying to make people think or see YOUR truth, because it's their belief not yours, I remember an episode of the TV show scrubs at one point explored this. the doctor asked his nurse 'why do you even bother?" and the nursed replied. "In my work I see a lot of people die, kids, old people, so stop trying to take the one thing that keeps me going"(im paraphrasing) that made so much sense for me. why try to take or destroy someone's faith in something? especially when it's something that helps them cope with death, failure and other horrible things that happened to them? Why question a man who doesn't believe in god, whose focus keeps him working hard to feed his family? in my opinion we shouldn't questions someone's religion nor should anyone question yours or mine. simply because its OUR choice not anyone else's. as George Carlin once said. "Why the **** would you be proud of being an American, Italian, irish or anything?(or in this case a atheist/religious, if your happy with it that's fine - do that! put that on your car, "Happy to be an American" Be happy don't be proud - to much pride as it is. "Pride Cometh before a fall" don't forget the proverbs. if your happy with your religion good for you! if your happy not being religious, good for you! but don't become arrogant or try to convert people into your things. respect one another, we're all humans. 🙂

This and nice and all, but debating is not a bad thing. I agree with a lot of what you have said. However, if you just let people do what they want, some people will get rid of science from our schools. Other people will remove our freedom because it doesn't conform to their beliefs.

I figure if a religion (including atheism) cannot withstand open debate, then it doesn't deserve to exist. Just because you believe something doesn't mean you have the right to make public policy without open debate.

Sure, buttheads should stay home on both sides, and shut up, but they have a say just like the rest of use. Perhaps we shouldn't wear our beliefs on our sleeves. We should all have thinker skin.

Here’s food for thought.

Does the past objectively exist? How much, objectively, is our current scientific understanding worth when investigating spatial, temporal, and dimensional perplexities?

In laymen’s terms, evolution could be an illusion. When considering evolution vs creationism, if you pick one or another you’re either resoundingly wrong, or you’re right for the wrong reasons.

Originally posted by Oneness
Here’s food for thought.

Does the past objectively exist? How much, objectively, is our current scientific understanding worth when investigating spatial, temporal, and dimensional perplexities?

In laymen’s terms, evolution could be an illusion. When considering evolution vs creationism, if you pick one or another you’re either resoundingly wrong, or you’re right for the wrong reasons.

Why would God create a would that looks like it is vary old? That doesn't sound like honesty.

As far as the past not existing: That is an extraordinary claim, and it requires extraordinary proof. I await your extraordinary proof.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why would God create a would that looks like it is vary old? That doesn't sound like honesty.

As far as the past not existing: That is an extraordinary claim, and it requires extraordinary proof. I await your extraordinary proof.

And it concludes simply, "God doesn't want me to obey Him, He wants me to be able to realize myself what I'd have to do to experience euphoric permanence."

So I need to meditate more and more frequently.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

I figure if a religion (including atheism)

Are you saying atheism is a religion?

Originally posted by The Renegade
Are you saying atheism is a religion?

😐 Let me make this clear: If atheism cannot withstand open debate, it doesn't deserve to be considered seriously.

Don't ask me if atheism is a seriously.

Is a seriously... what?

Also, you've yet to answer my question, to make that clear.

Originally posted by The Renegade
Is a seriously... what?

Also, you've yet to answer my question, to make that clear.

Are you seriously?

Am I seriously what?

You're seriously irritating me.

BTW, you're exclaiming that my claim was that God changed the age of the earth. That's not what I said, I said age may not be as we perceive, time may not actually be linear. I'm not saying it isn't linear either as you seemed to indicate.

But I do lean towards the latter ideas in that God is shaping its own experience being experienced through us, constantly changing everything, in a way that will not conflict with my own or anyone's continuity of consciousness. So there is no past, there is the eternal now, there is truly no individuality or sustenance around, it's just a thought pattern of God's, my experience is an illusion God needs to not go crazy.

God already knows how we all succeed in eternal nirvana pretty soon here but we don't know what how that one event will unfold.

I say it will happen to me now despite all those it can't happen for anymore [due to death] because I am here now, and there is only the eternal now.

In fact, God represents my or your or anyone else's thoughts, the spirit doesn't think in how it just changes everything continuously to shape our needs until we know how to work with the spirit in letting it give us what we want but do not know how to get. It isn't serving God it's serving us and in doing so it's serving God.

Originally posted by The Renegade
Am I seriously what?

You're seriously irritating me.

No, I was not saying that atheism is a religion. That was not the topic. At first I thought you were just joking around, but I guess I was wrong. If you wish to talk about rather atheism is a religion or not, please start a new thread.

Back on topic!

I don't wish to have an extended discussion about that either, hence my question basically being a "yes" or "no" one. It's unfortunate that you had difficulty answering.

Originally posted by The Renegade
I don't wish to have an extended discussion about that either, hence my question basically being a "yes" or "no" one. It's unfortunate that you had difficulty answering.

But it was, and still is, a stupid question. I couldn't imagine someone asking such a stupid question without it being a joke.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But it was, and still is, a stupid question. I couldn't imagine someone asking such a stupid question without it being a joke.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I figure if a religion (including atheism)

This isn't the first time your... ahem, iffy sentence structure has left your intentions vague or muddled. Your response to Renegade's (entirely justified) confirmation question really made you look like an ass.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But it was, and still is, a stupid question. I couldn't imagine someone asking such a stupid question without it being a joke.

You weren't exactly spot-on with how you structured your sentence. It was a brief and easily answerable question. You're being silly and taking what I asked well out of proportion.

Originally posted by Oneness
Here’s food for thought.

K.

Does the past objectively exist?

Considering all knowledge is subject to humanity, this question can't be answered outside of that POV.

How much, objectively, is our current scientific understanding worth when investigating spatial, temporal, and dimensional perplexities?

See above. You either believe that what you see is what you get, or you believe in some Descartian evil genius demon bullshit. When I hear hoofbeats, I think horses, not lizard people riding unicorns.

In laymen’s terms, evolution could be an illusion.

An illusion would mean that things do not really change. But they measurably do. Even without being able to use absolute knowledge or a God's-eye view of reality, we can at least determine causation and change. This is mindless babbling.

When considering evolution vs creationism, if you pick one or another you’re either resoundingly wrong, or you’re right for the wrong reasons.

Nope. For someone who claims to be an uber Anakin archetype/omnipolymathgeniusglot/loves dem numbers/super sciences it up, this kind of talk is bafflingly stupid and thought-terminating.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Nope. For someone who claims to be an uber Anakin archetype/omnipolymathgeniusglot/loves dem numbers/super sciences it up, this kind of talk is bafflingly stupid and thought-terminating.

That's as unsubstantiated as claiming that, because there're action-reactions that seem to be totally related, that it isn't all illusory none-the-less.

I didn't say impalpable, intangible, or ethereal. You seem to have interpreted the possibility wrongly as did Shyamunison.

There is a good reason for denying such a possibility, it's difficult to operate under the notion that nothing is actually known.

Originally posted by Oneness
I didn't say impalpable, intangible, or ethereal. You seem to have interpreted the possibility wrongly as did Shyamunison.

There is a good reason for denying such a possibility, it's difficult to operate under the notion that nothing is actually known.

I suggest you read From Eternity to Here by Sean Carroll

http://www.amazon.com/From-Eternity-Here-Ultimate-Theory/dp/0452296544

You will then see why I fundamentally disagree with you, not misunderstand you.