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Originally posted by JKBart
Being drunk on the internets is fun cause u can produce quality content 🙂 🙂 🙂
Originally posted by JKBart
Being drunk on the internets is fun cause u can produce quality content 🙂 🙂 🙂
Originally posted by Beniboybling
You have an alternative explanation?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Collective attack =/= collective defense.
"Surrender, Sith. You and your master cannot stand against all of us." (Tol Braga)
All of the Jedi participants attempted to counter Vitiate's Force Lightning Storm collectively but failed to achieve the desired result.
Originally posted by Beniboyblingvs.
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Observations:
1. Palpatine unleashed 3 bolts (of great intensity) in total; Yoda just landed on the senate pod and might have been caught off-guard by Palpatine's attack during this moment.
Moreover, you asserted that Yoda needed time to bring his full power to bear during old age, right? So you were expecting a miracle from Yoda in the aforementioned situation? Make up your mind, Beni.
Moreover, look at the example of Mace Windu:
Windu was doing fine.
2. Palpatine was contending with a single opponent while Vitiate was contending with 5 opponents simultaneously. Vitiate had to overcome the defenses of 5 opponents simultaneously while Palpatine had to worry about the defenses of just one.
3. Palpatine's agenda was to kill Yoda while Vitiate's agenda was to lure the Jedi to the Dark Side and use them as his pwns. Therefore, Vitiate was [not] going all-out against the Jedi Strike Team. My point-of-view is officially endorsed as well:
The Emperor is more than a man - he is the living embodiment of the dark side. Armed with incalculable powers of corruption, the Emperor easily defeats the Knight, Master Braga, and their fellow Jedi, twisting them all to the dark side.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Cool.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not enough to net a win.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
A SOR Revan feat that doesn't even compare anyway.
Revan was internally fractured during the events of SoR, not at his top shape.
And how this demonstration doesn't compare? This is clearly (Luke Skywalker) TIER demonstration of raw power.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
A Starkiller-level showing.
It is good enough to affect Palpatine nonetheless.
Here is an example:
Seen in that light, the decision was surprisingly easy.
A hail of shattered transparisteel and debris drove the Emperor back from Kota, breaking his concentration and freeing the Jedi Master from the fatal web of energy. Smoking and weak, Kota fell away and was caught by Garm Bel Iblis. The apprentice tossed them the comlink and advanced on Palpatine.
Taken from Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Another SOR Revan feat, and a dubious one at that.
More examples:
Revan is a master of defensive applications of the Force.
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Revan is also a master of Teleportation technique:
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nah, he is.
Drunk Zoltan returns. 🙂
Originally posted by NephthysUse punctuation bro.
Like, do you not understand that Vitiate didn't instantly overwhelm Braga and the HoT because he was doing a Force Storm and thus his lightning was spread out over a wide area instead of focused and thus comparing it to Sidious disarming Yoda and straining Windu is completely stupid and that when he did focus his power he pwned them all or are you just pretending not to get that fact?Fo real, overwhelming 5 of the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy at the same time is beyond anything Sidious has done with lightning. One of Sidious' best feats is him overwhelming 2 powerful force users at once, let alone 5.
He used an FLS storm and then followed up with more concentrated attacks:
So naw.
And lel numbers are irrelevant, Sidious has overwhelmed much more powerful defenses and we know reason to believe he wouldn't wipe these scrubs with equal if not greater ease.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZRight.
Point being that your comparison between the strike team and yoda/windu is sort of unfounded given the respective ease with which Vitiate and Sidious dispatched them.
Yeah. Literally 3 bolts of lightning, one at a time. Lmao. When Vitiate actually, y'know, ramped up the intensity, Revan got phucked instantly."The Emperor rolled over, lifted himself up on one knee, and his hands flew forward as he hurtled a bolt of dark side lightning at his enemy.
Revan intercepted the bolt with the blade of his lightsaber, though the impact stopped his charge dead in its tracks."
Now we can be nitpicky and pretend that he used both hands to unleash one single sliver of lightning, but its clear Drew is using bolt to describe a typical blast, like the kind we see disarm Yoda. I'd also assume the subsequent attacks were of the same kind, so naw.
Uh, if Sidious fired 3 bolts at Revan, one at a time, (like Vitiate did,) I'm pretty sure Revan would bat them aside with ease. Hell, I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't get instantly overwhelmed by Sidious's lightning as he was with Vitiate.Sure cause he's better than Yoda and has Vaapad. 🙂
Lmfao. As Neph said, the lightning attack Vitiate used against the strike team was a spread out storm, which wouldn't be as individually effective as a concentrated stream.And not for the first time, Neph was wrong.
We've seen what Vitiate can do when he focuses his lightning like Sidious:"Like" Sidious?
-oneshot Revan
-oneshot strike team
-oneshot Darth Marr
-oneshot Arcann
-overwhelm Arcann's staunch force defense, despite being weaker and in an inferior vessel. In the process, the residual lightning from his directed blast knocks out ships and kills hundreds of people, and seemingly creates storms throughout the sky.
1. Is a charged FLS storm, not like anything we've seen Sidious employ.
2. Was a charged burst of energy against a targets who'd been totally incapaciatated by his FLS storm and subsequent barrages.
3 - 5. Are Valkorion feats, we are discussing pre-Ziost Vitiate here yes?
And you're acting like they "withstood" his power as if he wanted to kill them and was thus using his full power.You're assuming that with his full power he could have killed them.
If overwhelming their defenses and/or disarming them with a single attack was within his capabilities, he would have done so. And I'm not sure why he couldn't do that without killing, when he managed it against the lesser Jedi.
Regardless, still waiting for a reason why this is something Palpy couldn't accomplish.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDPrecedent?
Yes: Sith Sorcery.
Why not?/facepalm"Surrender, Sith. You and your master cannot stand against all of us." (Tol Braga)
All of the Jedi participants attempted to counter Vitiate's Force Lightning Storm collectively but failed to achieve the desired result.
Because they weren't combining their power into a collective defense.
1. Palpatine unleashed 3 bolts (of great intensity) in totalOK.
Yoda just landed on the senate pod and might have been caught off-guard by Palpatine's attack during this moment.Yet was in a ready stance.
Moreover, you asserted that Yoda needed time to bring his full power to bear during old age, right? So you were expecting a miracle from Yoda in the aforementioned situation? Make up your mind, Beni.He'd been fighting Palpy for some time and with success, clearly fully settled in his power.
Moreover, look at the example of Mace Windu:Using Vaapad.Windu was doing fine.
2. Palpatine was contending with a single opponent while Vitiate was contending with 5 opponents simultaneously. Vitiate had to overcome the defenses of 5 opponents simultaneously while Palpatine had to worry about the defenses of just one.With vastly superior defenses to any one of said five.
3. Palpatine's agenda was to kill Yoda while Vitiate's agenda was to lure the Jedi to the Dark Side and use them as his pwns. Therefore, Vitiate was [not] going all-out against the Jedi Strike Team. My point-of-view is officially endorsed as well:Covered.The Emperor is more than a man - he is the living embodiment of the dark side. Armed with incalculable powers of corruption, the Emperor easily defeats the Knight, Master Braga, and their fellow Jedi, twisting them all to the dark side.
Taken from [B]Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
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Not that Sidious' one-handed attack was the full intensity of his power.
12 bolts simultaneously, I shall add.K.
You've got to be kidding me.Lel.
SoR content related showings are to be ignored now?Yes, because his "powers intensified" and he was on a nexus.
And how this demonstration doesn't compare? This is clearly (Luke Skywalker) TIER demonstration of raw power.LMAO.
So?So it doesn't compare to Yoda. 😬
It is good enough to affect Palpatine nonetheless.Yeah, he's really hurtin.Here is an example:
Seen in that light, the decision was surprisingly easy.
A hail of shattered transparisteel and debris drove the Emperor back from Kota, breaking his concentration and freeing the Jedi Master from the fatal web of energy. Smoking and weak, Kota fell away and was caught by Garm Bel Iblis. The apprentice tossed them the comlink and advanced on Palpatine.
Taken from [B]Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
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How so?Cba to explain as its irrelevant.
More examples:As if that remotely compares to deflecting Palpatine's lightning, lel.Revan is a master of defensive applications of the Force.
Revan is also a master of Teleportation technique:OK, so were the Aing-Tii monks.
Sorry, you are wrong.lmao.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Drunk Zoltan returns. 🙂
Use punctuation bro.He used an FLS storm and then followed up with more concentrated attacks:
So naw.
And lel numbers are irrelevant, Sidious has overwhelmed much more powerful defenses and we know reason to believe he wouldn't wipe these scrubs with equal if not greater ease.
Punctuation is unnecessary in text format where you don't need to pause for breath.
He was still doing the Force Storm when he pushed the HoT back. Obviously, because afterwards he one-shots them all. You think he went from not able to overwhelm the Hero to pwning the whole party in seconds? That would be cool, if you legit thin Act II Hero can can block Vitiates lightning better than Revan or Arcann can, that's fine with me. You can see the lightning is still going even after Vitiate stops his attack on the HoT though, so guess not.
Lol @ numbers being irrelevant. Sure, thats how that works. :eyeroll: Are Yoda's half-assed defenses better than 5 of the most powerful Jedi's put together? I doubt it. Hell, imo Revan's tutaminis is comparable to Yoda's.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And not for the first time, Neph was wrong.
How am I wrong? You think a Force Storms power is as concentrated as a single stream of lightning? Are you drunk or stupid?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Precedent?
This is the only official description we have:
He allowed their plan to play out, but when they gathered to confront the Emperor, his punishment was swift and devastating. Eleven members of the Dark Council died in a sudden flash on the steps of the Citadel.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
Sith Sorcery is the most logical explanation, IMO.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
/facepalmBecause they weren't combining their power into a collective defense.
Palpatine doesn't have a comparable showing, period.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yet was in a ready stance.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
He'd been fighting Palpy for some time and with success, clearly fully settled in his power.
We can expect Yoda to be using a Force barrier for protection throughout the duration of the battle but it takes more than a Force barrier to successfully counter a powerful burst of Force Lightning.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Using Vaapad.
Could another practitioner of Vaapad (Let's say Depa Billaba) counter Palpatine's Force Lightning successfully with the said technique?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
With vastly superior defenses to any one of said five.
Yoda might have superior defenses than any one of said five but on individual level [1 on 1].
The Jedi might have been attempting to counter Vitiate's Force Lightning Storm on individual level but Vitiate had to overcome the Lightsaber-based defenses of 5 powerful Jedi simultaneously.
Logically, greater effort is needed to defeat the defenses of (five) powerful Jedi [simultaneously] than that of a single Jedi, even if the single Jedi is noticeably stronger than the others on individual level. It is relatively easier to channel a great deal of energy in a attack aimed for a single individual rather than several simultaneously.
Clear now?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not that Sidious' one-handed attack was the full intensity of his power.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lel.
Revan can contend with Palpatine [1 on 1] on equal footing for a while and enable his allies to take advantage of the situation.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes, because his "powers intensified" and he was on a nexus.
In-fact, the entire point of Revan's defeat during the events of SoR is that his Dark incarnation lacked the wisdom and tactical genius of his true-self.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
LMAO.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
So it doesn't compare to Yoda. 😬
The key word is [multi-tasking].
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah, he's really hurtin.
Revan's ability to multi-task during a confrontation would spell trouble for Palpatine in a hypothetical confrontation between the two, like it or not.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Cba to explain as its irrelevant.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
As if that remotely compares to deflecting Palpatine's lightning, lel.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
OK, so were the Aing-Tii monks.
Try to understand the point instead of making useless comparisons.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
lmao.