Originally posted by Nephthys
"May be"?
Originally posted by BeniboyblingBut let's not pretend there's anything that implies otherwise. 🙂
Well Force & Destiny confirms Palpy to likely be more powerful than Vitiate anyway. 🙂
Seriously though, the most recent sourcebook looking favourably on Palpatine as the most powerful Sith, is a better accolade than anything Vitiate has received. 👆
First of all, said attack took place in an in-doors environment, rendering it impossible for him to use weather. He is an extremely powerful practitioner of Force Lightning Storm, so any 'implications' are laughable dismissals. Secondly, a single leviathan is in no way comparable to nine Dark Council members at once.
Overwhelming Tol Braga, the Hero of Tython, Warren Sedoru, Kira Carsen, and Kiwiiks, some of the greatest Jedi in the galaxy, in a grand total of two shots, is certainly comparable. One of them alone is obviously not comparable to Windu or Yoda, but all of them combined certainly is. Especially considering the fact that unlike Sidious' battles aganst the latter two, Vitiate two-shotted the entire team.
Surik and Scourge were unaware of her presence before she entered and forced them to dodge her lightning before she used a speed amp to keep them on the defensive. Surik was also far from in peak condition. Besides both Revan's own opinion and Scourge's visions point to both of them being considerable factors in a fight against Vitiate.
Reborn Revan easily ashing a Dark Council member with greater lightning feats than Dooku, after being drugged for years and having a seizure, is certainly more impressive than prep'd Talzin using a sorcery ritual to slowly take Dooku out, so yes, he's certainly more impressive.
Far and away inferior to Yoda? Feel free to prove that; Yoda had difficulty palming Dooku's lightning attack. Revan controlled, absorbed and unleashed a Force Lightning Storm of far greater potency than we've ever seen Dooku weild, with absolute ease, whilst hindered by a dark side nexus, years of drugging and a seizure.
Where was all this support when I first created this thread. All I saw was Tempest and S66 attacks. Now I am attacking the thread and all I see is Vitiate resistance. Like, seriously, am I that ugly?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Sure, if you think a weakened Valkorion is vastly below himself five years ago at full power, or Valkorion is vastly more powerful than himself a month earlier. It doesn't make sense, and soloing a Dark Council is his best combat feat.
DC feat has been laughed at for years. Now that KOTFE is out, maybe it can be reexamined, but like I said, I'm still waiting for the expansions to reveal more. As of now, Sidious can definitely defeat Revan and Braga strike team, in fact he wouldn't be put on his ass like Vitiate was.
Originally posted by AncientPowerMy bad I was referring to the Lokess uprising, and a Force Lightning storm requires LOS so naw.
First of all, said attack took place in an in-doors environment, rendering it impossible for him to use weather. He is an extremely powerful practitioner of Force Lightning Storm, so any 'implications' are laughable dismissals. Secondly, a single leviathan is in no way comparable to nine Dark Council members at once.
As for the second time he kills them, he could have done so in any numbers of ways, with the luxury of prep and given that the Council were unsuspectingly, defenseless victims.
Overwhelming Tol Braga, the Hero of Tython, Warren Sedoru, Kira Carsen, and Kiwiiks, some of the greatest Jedi in the galaxy, in a grand total of two shots, is certainly comparable. One of them alone is obviously not comparable to Windu or Yoda, but all of them combined certainly is. Especially considering the fact that unlike Sidious' battles aganst the latter two, Vitiate two-shotted the entire team.Right, which is a moot point considering they are individuals, not a collective entity.
Fact is Braga and the HoT were able to advance through his Force storm and deflect his subsequent Force lightning barrages, where a single bolt of Palpatine's lightning would be sufficient to disarm any one of them. And as you mentioned above, Revan's deflected Vitiate's lightning as well.
Surik and Scourge were unaware of her presence before she entered and forced them to dodge her lightning before she used a speed amp to keep them on the defensive. Surik was also far from in peak condition. Besides both Revan's own opinion and Scourge's visions point to both of them being considerable factors in a fight against Vitiate.Right, but at the end of the day it was a 2 v 1 and Nyriss capably defeated them, she takes the majority. Nyriss is described as a speck in comparison to Vitiate's power so clearly they cannot contend, circumstances or no.
Regardless, Palpatine is blitzing Jedi Council members, shitting on Maul and Savage and Force choking Dooku over hologram, neither Meetra or Scourge would pose a threat to him.
Concluding they could to Vitiate only proves his inferiority.
Reborn Revan easily ashing a Dark Council member with greater lightning feats than Dooku, after being drugged for years and having a seizure, is certainly more impressive than prep'd Talzin using a sorcery ritual to slowly take Dooku out, so yes, he's certainly more impressive.The fact that she was ashed by her own attack only demonstrating that her FLS had expended her resources and left her defenseless.
On the other hand there is no evidence a prepped ritual was involved in the draining of Dooku. Fact is Revan has zero feats that prove he's a powerhouse that can go toe-to-toe with Sidious.
Far and away inferior to Yoda? Feel free to prove that; Yoda had difficulty palming Dooku's lightning attack. Revan controlled, absorbed and unleashed a Force Lightning Storm of far greater potency than we've ever seen Dooku weild, with absolute ease, whilst hindered by a dark side nexus, years of drugging and a seizure.Lol your argument collapses in on itself. By your logic Revan is more powerful than Yoda if in worse condition he can deflect a stronger attack with greater ease.
And yet that's canonically false, clearly therefore extentuating circumstances are involved. Like Yoda's age, and his evident inability to bring his full powers to bear on the fly, seeing as just prior he seemingly struggled to lift a bunch of rocks.
On the other hand LoE states he easily deflected Dooku's lightning, so clearly it wasn't actually a threat to him. So what else does Revan have that compares absorbing and deflecting the Force lightning of Darth Sidious?
Originally posted by AncientPoweryes, and Sidious would indeed perform better than that. He'd just overwhelm Revan if Revan decides to use the force, and if he decides to engage in a duel, well ouch.
Vitiate got assed because he was distracted trying to dominate Revan's mind, Revan's only serious attack on Vitiate was smacking one of the Emperor's lightning bolts back at him, other than that he got completely overwhelmed and rendered incapacitated.
Originally posted by Sinious
Where was all this support when I first created this thread. All I saw was Tempest and S66 attacks. Now I am attacking the thread and all I see is Vitiate resistance. Like, seriously, am I that ugly?DC feat has been laughed at for years. Now that KOTFE is out, maybe it can be reexamined, but like I said, I'm still waiting for the expansions to reveal more. As of now, Sidious can definitely defeat Revan and Braga strike team, in fact he wouldn't be put on his ass like Vitiate was.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Fact is Braga and the HoT were able to advance through his Force storm and deflect his subsequent Force lightning barrages, where a single bolt of Palpatine's lightning would be sufficient to disarm any one of them.
Gosh it's almost as if theres a difference between a Force Storm and a single bolt of lightning. 😬
Originally posted by NephthysHot damn, OK.
Gosh it's almost as if theres a difference between a Force Storm and a single bolt of lightning. 😬
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZYou can shower them with whatever accolades you like, they still don't hold a candle to Yoda or Windu. 🙂
Gosh, it's almost as if these were, "the strongest Jedi in the galaxy," and were defeated "easily" by a Vitiate that wasn't even using his full power and was caging Vaylin's mind. 😬
But sure maybe he was weakened, they are still scrubs in comparison.
Lets say I did for a moment, it would be because they are featless wonders (one of which is a cyborg with diminishing powers) who haven't even attained the rank of Master level, let alone a position on the Council.Spoiler:
and if you're going to deny the accolades regarding the strike team, why not Sidious's?
Why should I assume them any more powerful than Ventress?
Originally posted by FreshestSliceLel, serious response?
Sidious' Lightning only needs one bolt to kill. Just like it did Luke and Maul.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
You can shower them with whatever accolades you like, they still don't hold a candle to Yoda or Windu.But sure maybe he was weakened, they are still scrubs in comparison.
Lets say I did for a moment, it would be because they are featless wonders (one of which is a cyborg with diminishing powers) who haven't even attained the rank of Master level, let alone a position on the Council.
Why should I assume them any more powerful than Ventress?
Lmao. You mean the guy that matched Sidious and the guy that beat Sidious? And I'd argue that Revan holds a candle to Yoda and Windu. The guy that Vitiate instantly overwhelmed with his FLS before ever-increasing his power over a 300 year time period. 🙂
It's not just that he was weakened, it's more that he was weakened, and he beat them without exerting significant effort, while also not trying to even kill them. Scourge muses that he wields power no jedi or sith has ever dreamed of for a reason. 🙂
Technically speaking, Braga isn't featless, (stalemating a DC member for days/redeeming him, and presumably giving end of Act 3 HoT a good fight.) Nor has he not attained the rank of Master. The Hero has been considered the most powerful jedi in the order numerous times even as of the end of Act 1, putting him above the likes of Satele and the Barsen'thor. And since when did rank equate to power in the jedi order? Grandmaster Zym? Exar Kun? HoT? Barsen'thor? Satele Shan? 🙂
Well, them all being as or more powerful than the Barsen'thor may or may not suggest that. 🙂
Spoiler:
And who said they'd have to be Ventress level? Though I'd wager that Tol Braga and especially the Hero are around there, yeah.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
My bad I was referring to the Lokess uprising, and a Force Lightning storm requires LOS so naw.As for the second time he kills them, he could have done so in any numbers of ways, with the luxury of prep and given that the Council were unsuspectingly, defenseless victims.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Right, which is a moot point considering they are individuals, not a collective entity.
Force-users can accomplish a difficult task more effectively through collective effort.
You will find one example in this footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_aGC2rVm0s (3:47 - 3:57)
A Strike Team of competent Force-users should not be underestimated.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Fact is Braga and the HoT were able to advance through his Force storm and deflect his subsequent Force lightning barrages, where a single bolt of Palpatine's lightning would be sufficient to disarm any one of them.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And as you mentioned above, Revan's deflected Vitiate's lightning as well.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Regardless, Palpatine is blitzing Jedi Council members, shitting on Maul and Savage and Force choking Dooku over hologram, neither Meetra or Scourge would pose a threat to him.Concluding they could to Vitiate only proves his inferiority.
However, when we are talking about the trio of Revan, Lord Scourge and Meetra Surik, than the situation changes considerably. Revan is an absolute powerhouse and his support will be invaluable to his allies in a confrontation.
Vitiate was powerful enough to tackle the aforementioned trio as well but possibility of his defeat couldn't be ruled out nonetheless. Palpatine is unlikely to do better in his position either.
Palpatine comfortably defeated the duo of Savage Opress and Darth Maul. However, if Revan was in the picture and supporting the aforementioned duo, do you think that his support wouldn't have made much difference?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Fact is Revan has zero feats that prove he's a powerhouse that can go toe-to-toe with Sidious.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol your argument collapses in on itself. By your logic Revan is more powerful than Yoda if in worse condition he can deflect a stronger attack with greater ease.And yet that's canonically false, clearly therefore extentuating circumstances are involved. Like Yoda's age, and his evident inability to bring his full powers to bear on the fly, seeing as just prior he seemingly struggled to lift a bunch of rocks.
On the other hand LoE states he easily deflected Dooku's lightning, so clearly it wasn't actually a threat to him. So what else does Revan have that compares absorbing and deflecting the Force lightning of Darth Sidious?
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZYeah the guy that Sidious had choking on ozone, and the guy he disarmed.
Lmao. You mean the guy that matched Sidious and the guy that beat Sidious?
And I'd argue that Revan holds a candle to Yoda and Windu.AP already has, wait in line. 🙂
The guy that Vitiate instantly overwhelmed with his FLS before ever-increasing his power over a 300 year time period. 🙂Bringing it back to what's actually be discussed, Revan didn't have much trouble deflecting and redirecting his lightning bolts.
Reasons he'd manage as well against Sidious where Yoda failed?
It's not just that he was weakened, it's more that he was weakened, and he beat them without exerting significant effort, while also not trying to even kill them. Scourge muses that he wields power no jedi or sith has ever dreamed of for a reason. 🙂Right, name one reason why Palpatine in comparison would give them the time of day.
Technically speaking, Braga isn't featless, (stalemating a DC member for days/redeeming him, and presumably giving end of Act 3 HoT a good fight.) Nor has he not attained the rank of Master. The Hero has been considered the most powerful jedi in the order numerous times even as of the end of Act 1, putting him above the likes of Satele and the Barsen'thor. And since when did rank equate to power in the jedi order? Grandmaster Zym? Exar Kun? HoT? Barsen'thor? Satele Shan? 🙂Apologies, I was referring to the others, Braga and the HoT are legit but when the rest are scrubs who aren't even on level with Ventress.
Why do I make this comparison? Because to Sidious Ventress is a speck, and he'd dispatch her as such. These guys are worse that specks.
That leaves Braga and the HoT, and if Palpatine's lighting can overwhelm Windu's Vaapad and insta-disarm Yoda, they would not be capable of withstanding his power as they did Vitiate's.