Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1. You may need to see the battle again. Finally you admit it. It took you forever. Obi wan beat pre, the winner of that battle was a Jedi win.

2. For that one instance and it was a lot going into that one instance. So no quote from ROTJ or GTFO.

3. Actually it does. Look at all the factors going into that moment.

4. We will see.

5. Still valid as it comes form the clone wars, and doesn't make up any powers. 😂 Also it did happen. Dooku vs Anakin check. Yoda vs Sidious. Check. Lightning battle between yoda and Sidious. Check.

6. They were a stalemate and only went down do to bad positioning and lack of weight.

7. Not for these guns he doesn't. He really didn't need any time to lift the pods. Also your thinking is off. If he's lifting the guns he can't shoot and any slightest show of resistance will end up in his death.

8. False. You must takes into consideration all of the aspects of you are to be on this site. They are stalemated and he only went down so to bad positioning and lack of weight. Sidious threw the fight and until you can answer why he didn't take the shots that he knew he could have you concede. Also Sidious won the fight. The battle was over when Sidious threw him out the window. The victor of that battle was Sidious.

What case? You have no case. You are an idiot who can't debate correctly.

2. You added your own speculation which doesn't cancel out his quotes. I already proved Sidious goes for youth and power.

3. What you said isn't canon what I said was. Boom.

4. You're a faithless chump.

5. No, it isn't. It never occurred. It isn't evidence.

6. Yoda failed. Yoda put himself in a poor position. Chump.

7. Based on the scene he does. Based on your fanatixal imagination maybe. He can't lift the guns because the blasts already kill him while he's concentrating.

8. Yodas fault due to letting Sidious gaining the upper ground. Prove he threw the fight. You can't. He lost.

Irony.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
2nd time you've ran from me for an Obi-Wan vs Khan challenge 😂

You call Obi-Wan a joke but don't have the balls to do a battle zone, and accept an objective judge's decision.

All you can do is keep trolling these threads 😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Obi didn't beat Pre. Obi fled. What I said is accurate.

2. You added your own speculation which doesn't cancel out his quotes. I already proved Sidious goes for youth and power.

3. What you said isn't canon what I said was. Boom.

4. You're a faithless chump.

5. No, it isn't. It never occurred. It isn't evidence.

6. Yoda failed. Yoda put himself in a poor position. Chump.

7. Based on the scene he does. Based on your fanatixal imagination maybe. He can't lift the guns because the blasts already kill him while he's concentrating.

8. Yodas fault due to letting Sidious gaining the upper ground. Prove he threw the fight. You can't. He lost.

Irony.

Liar, obi beat pre and pre told his men to take care of it and if he was busy he would have left but he stayed, so he was beat.

2. Power only as that quote was form different circumstances, so unless you can provide a quote form Lucas or palaptine as of ROTJ that shows he wants like because he is both young and full of potential shut up.

3. How is it not cannon.

4. I'm skeptical about it.

5. It happened in the series and doesn't make up powers, so yes it counts.

6. Stalemate, and bad positioning.

7. Use what little Logoc you have. If Sidious can lift the pods with little difficulty and if any needed a few seconds to lift the pods, than he needs even less time as the guns weight a lot less.

8. I actually can prove he did. You can't prove he didn't as there is no answer as Lucas nor Disney have given any official answer. Ok I will prove it with the same thing you run from. Sidious had plenty of openings, yet he didn't take them and they were very clear yet he didn't. Give me a legit reason why he didn't take them.

Khan loses to the power of the force.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Liar, obi beat pre and pre told his men to take care of it and if he was busy he would have left but he stayed, so he was beat.

2. Power only as that quote was form different circumstances, so unless you can provide a quote form Lucas or palaptine as of ROTJ that shows he wants like because he is both young and full of potential shut up.

3. How is it not cannon.

4. I'm skeptical about it.

5. It happened in the series and doesn't make up powers, so yes it counts.

6. Stalemate, and bad positioning.

7. Use what little Logoc you have. If Sidious can lift the pods with little difficulty and if any needed a few seconds to lift the pods, than he needs even less time as the guns weight a lot less.

8. I actually can prove he did. You can't prove he didn't as there is no answer as Lucas nor Disney have given any official answer. Ok I will prove it with the same thing you run from. Sidious had plenty of openings, yet he didn't take them and they were very clear yet he didn't. Give me a legit reason why he didn't take them.

Khan loses to the power of the force.

You don't know what beating someone even means, apparently. Once Obi fled he knew the time required was too great to stay.

2. I provided a quite in which he clearly values youth and age prior to Luke. Why would this have changed ? Explain logically why anyone wouldn't want a younger and more powerful apprentice to an older one ?

3. You aren't even aware of Disney's continuity. Hahahaha. Poser.

4. You are riddled with doubt because you're a George Lucas fanboy.

5. It happened in a vision. We saw them fight in canon. It didn't go down like this at all.

6. Falling off the pod and fleeing isn't stale mating. On one hand you say pre lost when he was never defeated. On the other hand you say Yoda stalemated despite him fleeing and admitting he failed. 😂 oh the hypocrisy.

7. He still needs to gesture. Vader needed to gesture after Han shot him multiple times. We see their tk is slower than someone firing a gun at them.

8. No, you can't. You can speculate and theorize all day. You have no proof just a coulda, woulda, shoulda defense. You can't accept the fact Windu beat him. It doesn't stop there. Palpatine then begged for his life like a disgusting coward. 😂

Lucas did that too.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
You don't know what beating someone even means, apparently. Once Obi fled he knew the time required was too great to stay.

2. I provided a quite in which he clearly values youth and age prior to Luke. Why would this have changed ? Explain logically why anyone wouldn't want a younger and more powerful apprentice to an older one ?

3. You aren't even aware of Disney's continuity. Hahahaha. Poser.

4. You are riddled with doubt because you're a George Lucas fanboy.

5. It happened in a vision. We saw them fight in canon. It didn't go down like this at all.

6. Falling off the pod and fleeing isn't stale mating. On one hand you say pre lost when he was never defeated. On the other hand you say Yoda stalemated despite him fleeing and admitting he failed. 😂 oh the hypocrisy.

7. He still needs to gesture. Vader needed to gesture after Han shot him multiple times. We see their tk is slower than someone firing a gun at them.

8. No, you can't. You can speculate and theorize all day. You have no proof just a coulda, woulda, shoulda defense. You can't accept the fact Windu beat him. It doesn't stop there. Palpatine then begged for his life like a disgusting coward. 😂

Lucas did that too.

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1. I know you don't. Obi wan won that fight as vizla retreated first.

2. From that instance or get out of here.

3. Actually I am.

4. Whatever you want to say. I'm more traditional in the sense that the creator should always have a say in his work.

5. Well there were some little part put in but, what happened in ROTS is what we saw in the vision. So it's a reference that can be made.

6. The two are thought of a stalemate and only fell off due to bad positioning. Pre did lose the fight, how you don't understand that is amusing. While yoda did lose the duel the two are thought of as equals not the duel but the opponents.

7. To throw them not to lift them. So he can lift khans weapons and then throw them away no matter where they are on his body, then he can choke and shock him and kill him in short order.

8. Again I ask why didn't Sidious take the shot. He had perfect knowledge of the opening s et dint take them. So with that why did he not take them. Again neither one of us is right as Disney nor Lucas have given an official answer so it's up for debate and I have proved my side, you can't counter coward. To manipulate anikan.

You have lost.

Palps would slice this fake hindu up easy peezy

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1. I know you don't. Obi wan won that fight as vizla retreated first.

2. From that instance or get out of here.

3. Actually I am.

4. Whatever you want to say. I'm more traditional in the sense that the creator should always have a say in his work.

5. Well there were some little part put in but, what happened in ROTS is what we saw in the vision. So it's a reference that can be made.

6. The two are thought of a stalemate and only fell off due to bad positioning. Pre did lose the fight, how you don't understand that is amusing. While yoda did lose the duel the two are thought of as equals not the duel but the opponents.

7. To throw them not to lift them. So he can lift khans weapons and then throw them away no matter where they are on his body, then he can choke and shock him and kill him in short order.

8. Again I ask why didn't Sidious take the shot. He had perfect knowledge of the opening s et dint take them. So with that why did he not take them. Again neither one of us is right as Disney nor Lucas have given an official answer so it's up for debate and I have proved my side, you can't counter coward. To manipulate anikan.

You have lost.

2. The same lyric involves carry forward. I only had to prove he valued youth and power. Done and done.

3. No. You cite non canon showings all the time.

4. It isn't his work anymore. He sold the rights.

5. Rots came about completely different. It was a completely different fight.

6. So Yoda fell off due to be in a worse position therefore he lost. His fault. Pre did not. You can continue to lie and troll but he was fine at the end. Yoda was disarmed and plummeted to defeat.

7. Both require time. Based on what disarming feats ?

8. Because he couldn't. If he could have won that way he would have. Anyone can take any fight and say what if this happened or if that while ignoring what DID HAPPEN. That's trolling.

I have prevailed.

Originally posted by relentless1
Palps would slice this fake hindu up easy peezy

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. He did not retreat. He requested aid and then Obi fled.

2. The same lyric involves carry forward. I only had to prove he valued youth and power. Done and done.

3. No. You cite non canon showings all the time.

4. It isn't his work anymore. He sold the rights.

5. Rots came about completely different. It was a completely different fight.

6. So Yoda fell off due to be in a worse position therefore he lost. His fault. Pre did not. You can continue to lie and troll but he was fine at the end. Yoda was disarmed and plummeted to defeat.

7. Both require time. Based on what disarming feats ?

8. Because he couldn't. If he could have won that way he would have. Anyone can take any fight and say what if this happened or if that while ignoring what DID HAPPEN. That's trolling.

I have prevailed.

1. Aid is when you and other fight, not when you back down and let them do all the work.

2. He cares not for youth in this case as they are only 29 years apart.

I cite cannon showings all the time.

4. True.

5. So Dooku fighting Anakin. Check. Sidious and yoda engage in a ferocious lightsaber duel. Check. Yoda force pushes Sidious. Check. Sidious shocks yoda with lightning check. Sidiosu and yoda engage in a lightning ending in a stalemate, check.

6. Pre lost, unless you can give evidence to prove otherwise, this is done.

7. 2 seconds at most for lifting the pods. So with that it takes no time to lift his guns as they weight a lot less than 6 senate pods combined, and also he had to rip them form their henges, so yea he picks the guns up automatically. Lifting 6 senate pods with little effort. Pods>Guns

8. Wrong answer try again. He had a painfully opening at Windu. Sidious is smart, if he wanted to kill windu he would have earlier so yes Sidious did throw the fight as you can't counter that point you concede. He could have acted as it was just an inch of distance in between windus chest and Sidious' blade. Also Sidious had different opportunities to use his mastery of the force yet didn't, why.

You have failed again.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1. Aid is when you and other fight, not when you back down and let them do all the work.

2. He cares not for youth in this case as they are only 29 years apart.

I cite cannon showings all the time.

4. True.

5. So Dooku fighting Anakin. Check. Sidious and yoda engage in a ferocious lightsaber duel. Check. Yoda force pushes Sidious. Check. Sidious shocks yoda with lightning check. Sidiosu and yoda engage in a lightning ending in a stalemate, check.

6. Pre lost, unless you can give evidence to prove otherwise, this is done.

7. 2 seconds at most for lifting the pods. So with that it takes no time to lift his guns as they weight a lot less than 6 senate pods combined, and also he had to rip them form their henges, so yea he picks the guns up automatically. Lifting 6 senate pods with little effort. Pods>Guns

8. Wrong answer try again. He had a painfully opening at Windu. Sidious is smart, if he wanted to kill windu he would have earlier so yes Sidious did throw the fight as you can't counter that point you concede. He could have acted as it was just an inch of distance in between windus chest and Sidious' blade. Also Sidious had different opportunities to use his mastery of the force yet didn't, why.

You have failed again.

1. Obi fled before he could help. Boom.

2. He cited youth whereas you ignored it.

3. No, you cited Star Wars eu. Not canon.

4. Get over that Lucas sucks.

5. Those are examples of facts not the vision. Boom.

6. You failed to back your claim.

7. Khan fires more than three blasts per second and that's being generous. Palpatine dies.

8. Sidious is smart and he knew begging and feigning weakness were necessary because he was at Windu's mercy.

I prevailed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Obi fled before he could help. Boom.

2. He cited youth whereas you ignored it.

3. No, you cited Star Wars eu. Not canon.

4. Get over that Lucas sucks.

5. Those are examples of facts not the vision. Boom.

6. You failed to back your claim.

7. Khan fires more than three blasts per second and that's being generous. Palpatine dies.

8. Sidious is smart and he knew begging and feigning weakness were necessary because he was at Windu's mercy.

I prevailed.

1. Concession accepted. You just ignore the truth.

2. Different ages and factors.

3. Prove it.

4. Opinion. If Lucas sucked than how did his movie franchise become one of the best in the world.

5. Facts that happened in the vision that happened in ROTS. Boom.

6. Concession accepted.

7. Well Sidious destroys him with his mastery of the force. Goodbye Khan.

8. Concession accepted. You dodged my question again. He say those opening sheet didn't and he could see them yet didn't take them. It's becuse he threw the fight.

Goodbye you've lost.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
1. Concession accepted. You just ignore the truth.

2. Different ages and factors.

3. Prove it.

4. Opinion. If Lucas sucked than how did his movie franchise become one of the best in the world.

5. Facts that happened in the vision that happened in ROTS. Boom.

6. Concession accepted.

7. Well Sidious destroys him with his mastery of the force. Goodbye Khan.

8. Concession accepted. You dodged my question again. He say those opening sheet didn't and he could see them yet didn't take them. It's becuse he threw the fight.

Goodbye you've lost.

1. You just said why didn't he help ? I said because Obi fled. You're an idiot.

2. I didn't say they were exactly the same. I said youth and power are two things Palpatine looks for.

3. Re read the debate, dummy.

4. I know. Lots of nerds. Obviously, nerd. I didn't care for the original trilogy like you sycophants and lemmings.

5. No, since the fight in rots had none of the same things occur in it. Fact.

6. Quit dreaming.

7. Saying mastery of the force isn't debating. You're not debating based off feats. You're just making a baseless claim.

8. Your question isn't a fact. You're ignoring the facts. Why didn't Windu strike him earlier ? Why didn't Windu strike him at all ? Answer he had help.

You haven't even seen Into Darkness you troll. Khan wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. You just said why didn't he help ? I said because Obi fled. You're an idiot.

2. I didn't say they were exactly the same. I said youth and power are two things Palpatine looks for.

3. Re read the debate, dummy.

4. I know. Lots of nerds. Obviously, nerd. I didn't care for the original trilogy like you sycophants and lemmings.

5. No, since the fight in rots had none of the same things occur in it. Fact.

6. Quit dreaming.

7. Saying mastery of the force isn't debating. You're not debating based off feats. You're just making a baseless claim.

8. Your question isn't a fact. You're ignoring the facts. Why didn't Windu strike him earlier ? Why didn't Windu strike him at all ? Answer he had help.

You haven't even seen Into Darkness you troll. Khan wins.

Concession accepted. Obi won the fight as proven by the video. Pre vizla told his men to take care of it because he couldn't win.

3. Prove it ignoramus

4. So liking a movie is bad and makes you a nerd. So you are a bad person and a nerd.

5. Prove it. Did yoda not fight Sidious? Did yoda not force push Sidious. Did Sidious not shock yoda and go up against him a lightning duel.

6. Concession accepted. You've lost?

7. Well Sidiosu also has the feats to back it up. So again Sidious crushes Khan with his mastery of the force.

8. No you are ignoring the facts. He had clear openings and saw them yet didn't take them. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put two and two together. So concession accepted.

I've read your comments and done a little bit of research and nothing I've found or anything you've said can prove Kahn wins. As a matter of fact, prove khan can get out a gun that is strapped to his back in a second, then prove how he could kill Sidious or yoda before they use the force.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Concession accepted. Obi won the fight as proven by the video. Pre vizla told his men to take care of it because he couldn't win.

3. Prove it ignoramus

4. So liking a movie is bad and makes you a nerd. So you are a bad person and a nerd.

5. Prove it. Did yoda not fight Sidious? Did yoda not force push Sidious. Did Sidious not shock yoda and go up against him a lightning duel.

6. Concession accepted. You've lost?

7. Well Sidiosu also has the feats to back it up. So again Sidious crushes Khan with his mastery of the force.

8. No you are ignoring the facts. He had clear openings and saw them yet didn't take them. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put two and two together. So concession accepted.

I've read your comments and done a little bit of research and nothing I've found or anything you've said can prove Kahn wins. As a matter of fact, prove khan can get out a gun that is strapped to his back in a second, then prove how he could kill Sidious or yoda before they use the force.

1. False. Obi fled. Saying Pre won when he stood his ground is delusional.

2. Concession accepted.

3. Reread the debate.

4. No. Liking a movie because it has a big following is bad. I like a movie I enjoy. Not you.

5. Not in the same manner. Palpatine can't force hold and force lightning him at the same time. He barely even could force lightning Yoda's Palm before he scared him and sent it back. went down far differently.

6. Nope.

7. Which ones ? Make a case.

8. Speculation. You can't change the facts. You ignoring the facts won't change them.

Watch the film. I'm ready to compare feats when you are.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. False. Obi fled. Saying Pre won when he stood his ground is delusional.

2. Concession accepted.

3. Reread the debate.

4. No. Liking a movie because it has a big following is bad. I like a movie I enjoy. Not you.

5. Not in the same manner. Palpatine can't force hold and force lightning him at the same time. He barely even could force lightning Yoda's Palm before he scared him and sent it back. went down far differently.

6. Nope.

7. Which ones ? Make a case.

8. Speculation. You can't change the facts. You ignoring the facts won't change them.

Watch the film. I'm ready to compare feats when you are.

Vizla told his men to handle it once he was defeated. Fact.

3. Concession accepted.

4. I like a movie because I like it and Star Wars Is second to Harry Potter IMO.

5. Blah blah. Same events happened. Prove he can't.

6. Concession accepted.

7. Well ROTS feats help him, and clone wars episodes feats also help. He's able to lift several pods without effort, shoot powerful force lighting, able to throw people out of window with lightning, choke people with little to no focus, stalemate grandmaster yoda, cloud the vision of the entire Jedi council, be enough to where neither Dooku nor vader, very powerful force weilders, never thought to overthrow him without the aid of an apprentice, choke Dooku from across a hologram from light years away, master all known SITH abilities as of ROTS, able to ragdoll Darth maul, stun maul with a force push, shock grandmaster yoda, sustain a force push form yoda, take out three Jedi masters in a matter of seconds, manipulate an entire war, tank his own lightning(the most powerful one in the universes history), jump from hundreds of fear and land unharmed. So he has plenty of feats to compete with anyone.

8. Younignoring the facts won't help you. Concession accepted since you won't answer the question.

Sidious stomps.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Vizla told his men to handle it once he was defeated. Fact.

3. Concession accepted.

4. I like a movie because I like it and Star Wars Is second to Harry Potter IMO.

5. Blah blah. Same events happened. Prove he can't.

6. Concession accepted.

7. Well ROTS feats help him, and clone wars episodes feats also help. He's able to lift several pods without effort, shoot powerful force lighting, able to throw people out of window with lightning, choke people with little to no focus, stalemate grandmaster yoda, cloud the vision of the entire Jedi council, be enough to where neither Dooku nor vader, very powerful force weilders, never thought to overthrow him without the aid of an apprentice, choke Dooku from across a hologram from light years away, master all known SITH abilities as of ROTS, able to ragdoll Darth maul, stun maul with a force push, shock grandmaster yoda, sustain a force push form yoda, take out three Jedi masters in a matter of seconds, manipulate an entire war, tank his own lightning(the most powerful one in the universes history), jump from hundreds of fear and land unharmed. So he has plenty of feats to compete with anyone.

8. Younignoring the facts won't help you. Concession accepted since you won't answer the question.

Sidious stomps.

2. Concession accepted.

3. Quit being delusional.

4. You like what others tell you to like.

5. No, they didn't. He fought him in the senate room. Watch the film, fanboy.

6. Delusional.

7. All of these feats require more time and a battle of close encounters in the other instances. Less time and more power are in Khan's favor.

8. You inserting what he could have done isn't debating. We go by feats and facts.

Khan wins.

khan can't get close enough to the sith without being hit, killled or sent away with any force technique

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. So getting knocked back while being armed and no significant injuries means a loss ? 😂 get real.

2. Concession accepted.

3. Quit being delusional.

4. You like what others tell you to like.

5. No, they didn't. He fought him in the senate room. Watch the film, fanboy.

6. Delusional.

7. All of these feats require more time and a battle of close encounters in the other instances. Less time and more power are in Khan's favor.

8. You inserting what he could have done isn't debating. We go by feats and facts.

Khan wins.

1. Obi won the duel. Period.

2.

3. Concession accepted

4. I don't think so. I have a mind of my own and unlike yours is actually functioning.

5. Yet Sidious and yoda fought with the same powers, same circumstances. Try again.

6. Concession accepted

7. Prove it.

8. Exactly and the facts are he had openings that were painfully clear. So answer the question or get out.

Khan is murdered by the Sidious.

based on the fact that I've seen Star Wars and Star Trek

So IOW Palpatine blitzes Khan then, good to know