Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by quanchi112
What examples are you referring to ? You're the same guy who repeatedly misspelled Khan. Khan wins this thread due to his superior reflexes and weaponry.

You say this even though I quoted this:

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thats fanboyism and lemming effect. We go go feat by feat if we must to prove my case of Khan's superiority.

The fact that you would ask what I'm talking about after saying the above is mindboggling. You actually had no clue anything was wrong with it LMAO

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You say this even though I quoted this:

The fact that you would ask what I'm talking about after saying the above is mindboggling. You actually had no clue anything was wrong with it LMAO

I already have debated the topic and won. It only took a few posts and it was already over. You weren't asking about what feats Palps has... you were asking for examples of your piss poor spelling and sentence structure. You asked this AFTER I quoted you and you saw the sentence. Even then you had no clue anything was wrong with your sentence LMAO

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I already have debated the topic and won. It only took a few posts and it was already over. You weren't asking about what feats Palps has... you were asking for examples of your piss poor spelling and sentence structure. You asked this AFTER I quoted you and you saw the sentence. Even then you had no clue anything was wrong with your sentence LMAO

Originally posted by quanchi112
palpatine has no feats of taking on anyone with the reflexes and the power Khan brings to the table.

Are you kidding me? He took out 3 Council members in seconds. They all have Jedi reflexes, something which has been shown and explained in SW thoroughly.

Now it's your turn, give us a feat of Khan shooting down someone with super reflexes like an ordinary Jedi, let alone the most Powerful Sith Lord LMAO

Originally posted by quanchi112
In the examples I did see people posted him walking up without even attacking him first with their guns.

Who is walking up to who? Explain yourself properly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan guns him down.

LMAO

Even Kenobi and Anakin can easily evade those blasts with the speed and heights they can leap. Let alone Sidious.

But you know just keep denying that your points have all been broken down several times, and that the hypocrisy in your arguments has been exposed over and over again. And continue to troll.

But FYI the person who gets in the last word is not the winner 😂

When people have broken down your arguments again and again, they just can't be arsed repeating themselves simply because you keep trolling.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Are you kidding me? He took out 3 Council members in seconds. They all have Jedi reflexes, something which has been shown and explained in SW thoroughly.

Now it's your turn, give us a feat of Khan shooting down someone with super reflexes like an ordinary Jedi, let alone the most Powerful Sith Lord LMAO

Who is walking up to who? Explain yourself properly.

LMAO

Even Kenobi and Anakin can easily evade those blasts with the speed and heights they can leap. Let alone Sidious.

But you know just keep denying that your points have all been broken down several times, and that the hypocrisy in your arguments has been exposed over and over again. And continue to troll.

But FYI the person who gets in the last word is not the winner 😂

When people have broken down your arguments again and again, they just can't be arsed repeating themselves simply because you keep trolling.

Did you read what I said ? How is that relevant at all to taking Khan on ? Those Jedi lack the power and the skill set of Khan. They have the same skill set and force powers than Palpatine. Palpatine beat up guys just like him who are inferior to him in a sword duel. Does Khan wield a laser sword ? Obi taking on Maul has no relevance to taking on Jango Fett since Maul and Fett are completely different skill sets. Khan's Boolean gun is more powerful than Palpatine's saber or force powers.

When Palpatine walks up to the mandalorians before he came after Darth Maul. The mandalorians don't fire and say, Halt. Then Palpatine force chokes them.

No, they can't. They haven't went up against the skill of Khan or his weaponry. We see how taxed Obi was against just Jango.

You haven't broken me down. That's the thing. Do not run from me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What have I said that is untrue ?

Hint, hint. You wouldn't know either way since you haven't seen the film.

Khan wins based on objectivity.

Oh the thing that Sidious can't force choke and shock at one time
2) Darth plagues can't do midiclorians manipulation
3) khan can beat yoda/Sidious (very untrue)
4) the force is weak
5) Sidious and yoda aren't fast
Etc.
You lied about all of that.

Exactly adding to your pile of lies.

Khan loses due to one simple fact. He doesn't have any magic or the force to help and he isn't surprising yoda or Sidious as they have more power than almost any Jedi or SITH and better reflexes. So with that he can get ragdolled, shocked, choked, crushed.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Oh the thing that Sidious can't force choke and shock at one time
2) Darth plagues can't do midiclorians manipulation
3) khan can beat yoda/Sidious (very untrue)
4) the force is weak
5) Sidious and yoda aren't fast
Etc.
You lied about all of that.

Exactly adding to your pile of lies.

Khan loses due to one simple fact. He doesn't have any magic or the force to help and he isn't surprising yoda or Sidious as they have more power than almost any Jedi or SITH and better reflexes. So with that he can get ragdolled, shocked, choked, crushed.

2. I never said he couldn't.

3. Khan rapes them.

4. It is over exaggerated.

5. Not fast enough.

You tried to twist my words due to your inability to comprehend words. Shame.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I did not say it was an impossibility I just said he's never canonically done it yet. A vision did not occur in reality.

2. I never said he couldn't.

3. Khan rapes them.

4. It is over exaggerated.

5. Not fast enough.

You tried to twist my words due to your inability to comprehend words. Shame.

Canonically? Hm lets go over this shall we. It happened in TCW which per the rules is aloud and per cannon is also aloud. Your trouble with it being reality vs vision is meaningless as you have yet to come up with a reason to why it's false as it does t make up powers, it doesn't amplify them, and what happened in that "vision as you call it happened in ROTS. May not have been the precise location but the contenders, outcomes, and force powers were mostly the same.

2) yes you did stop lying or you were pretty close to it.

3) Oh I highly doubt that.

4) no you underestimate

5) Did you not see the TPM. Also they are force weilders they can block blaster bolts that travel at insanely fast speeds.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Canonically? Hm lets go over this shall we. It happened in TCW which per the rules is aloud and per cannon is also aloud. Your trouble with it being reality vs vision is meaningless as you have yet to come up with a reason to why it's false as it does t make up powers, it doesn't amplify them, and what happened in that "vision as you call it happened in ROTS. May not have been the precise location but the contenders, outcomes, and force powers were mostly the same.

2) yes you did stop lying or you were pretty close to it.

3) Oh I highly doubt that.

4) no you underestimate

5) Did you not see the TPM. Also they are force weilders they can block blaster bolts that travel at insanely fast speeds.

2. No, you lack the ability to understand so you're confused rather easily.

3. I doubt you even know what doubt means tbh.

4. I go by the facts. You exaggerate.,

5. Blaster fire doesn't travel at exceptional speeds. That's another exaggeration.

Khan guns him down. Faster feats.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Did you read what I said ? How is that relevant at all to taking Khan on ? Those Jedi lack the power and the skill set of Khan. They have the same skill set and force powers than Palpatine. Palpatine beat up guys just like him who are inferior to him in a sword duel. Does Khan wield a laser sword ? Obi taking on Maul has no relevance to taking on Jango Fett since Maul and Fett are completely different skill sets. Khan's Boolean gun is more powerful than Palpatine's saber or force powers.

What?

I proved Palpatine can blitz opponents with Jedi reflexes.

He leaped at them first, and killed them before they could even react.

Show where Khan does anything like that to beings with super reflexes.

Show me Khan even shooting someone with superhuman reflexes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When Palpatine walks up to the mandalorians before he came after Darth Maul. The mandalorians don't fire and say, Halt. Then Palpatine force chokes them.

Yep he choked them before they could fire. He did it very casually. They were zero threat to him.

Same what Yoda did to the Emperor's royal guards before they could do anything.

Non-Force users are Zero threat to Yoda/Sidious (especially in a 1 v 1 scenario).

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they can't. They haven't went up against the skill of Khan or his weaponry. We see how taxed Obi was against just Jango.

Obi-Wan has beaten many opponents with perfect reflexes and aim and futuristic body armor & weaponary (like Pre-Vizsla, and beings with superhuman strength and speed like General Grievous.

Now I'll ask you again.. Who is the most powerful person Khan has beaten?

Because as far as I can tell it was Spock. And even that really taxed him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You haven't broken me down. That's the thing. Do not run from me.

Stop running, and stop avoiding. You've already ran from my Kenobi challenge. All I'm asking now is answer 1 question:

Who is the most powerful person Khan has beaten?

Don't troll, or try to divert the topic. Just answer it.

Darth Power we all know Quan loses so we just stop arguing since we have already won.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A vision did not occur on he physical plane. We see the two fight and at no point does Palpatine force choke and shock him. Not. At. All. Yoda force pushes him in reality. No, the fight happened completely different.

2. No, you lack the ability to understand so you're confused rather easily.

3. I doubt you even know what doubt means tbh.

4. I go by the facts. You exaggerate.,

5. Blaster fire doesn't travel at exceptional speeds. That's another exaggeration.

Khan guns him down. Faster feats.

Oh it's all your point of view. Again until you find a concrete reason why it wouldn't count as "it was a vision isn't cutting it shut up. It's pretty simple to understand. You can choke with your mind and then shock with your hands or use one hand to choke and the other to shock.

From you I don't think so. It would take a lot more from you to even come close to confusing me.

Well it's a pretty simple word. I'm not sure you no what doubt means.

Then you should no that even with what we see on screen even if we don't see it on screen there are references to other powers that far exceed what khan can do, also even with just onscreen appearances it's not that hard to tell Sidious and yoda win as all they have to do is use the force to lift him and then ragdoll him. Not that hard to understand. Do you even know what the word understand means?

Oh I doubt it.

Now you have been thoroughly defeated so do not respond as you have no case so goodbye.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
What?

I proved Palpatine can blitz opponents with Jedi reflexes.

He leaped at them first, and killed them before they could even react.

Show where Khan does anything like that to beings with super reflexes.

Show me Khan even shooting someone with superhuman reflexes.

Yep he choked them before they could fire. He did it very casually. They were zero threat to him.

Same what Yoda did to the Emperor's royal guards before they could do anything.

Non-Force users are Zero threat to Yoda/Sidious (especially in a 1 v 1 scenario).

Obi-Wan has beaten many opponents with perfect reflexes and aim and futuristic body armor & weaponary (like Pre-Vizsla, and beings with superhuman strength and speed like General Grievous.

Now I'll ask you again.. Who is the most powerful person Khan has beaten?

Because as far as I can tell it was Spock. And even that really taxed him.

Stop running, and stop avoiding. You've already ran from my Kenobi challenge. All I'm asking now is answer 1 question:

Who is the most powerful person Khan has beaten?

Don't troll, or try to divert the topic. Just answer it.

Klingons are superhuman and he shot them down easily. Spock is also superhuman and he shot his gun away easily despite Spock's gun already aimed at him. Jedi without their weapons aren't that impressive in a fight with say Jango Fett. References the fight between Obi and Jango. 😎

They had the chance to fire and didn't. He then force choked them. They had ample time to fire but chose not to.

Yoda took out featless guys who didn't fire. We see Yoda fight the featless clones but they got off shots but then again Yoda had help from Obi Wan.

Based on ?

He never beat Pre. He used a gun to kill Greivous who physically was mauling Obi. So much for awesome reflexes. Obi was dumb enough to kick him and in the process hurt himself.

Spock. Khan just survived a crash landing. That was also hand to hand so irrelevant when he's armed.

You balked from the Vader challenge after you already accepted. You are without honor. Spock.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Oh it's all your point of view. Again until you find a concrete reason why it wouldn't count as "it was a vision isn't cutting it shut up. It's pretty simple to understand. You can choke with your mind and then shock with your hands or use one hand to choke and the other to shock.

From you I don't think so. It would take a lot more from you to even come close to confusing me.

Well it's a pretty simple word. I'm not sure you no what doubt means.

Then you should no that even with what we see on screen even if we don't see it on screen there are references to other powers that far exceed what khan can do, also even with just onscreen appearances it's not that hard to tell Sidious and yoda win as all they have to do is use the force to lift him and then ragdoll him. Not that hard to understand. Do you even know what the word understand means?

Oh I doubt it.

Now you have been thoroughly defeated so do not respond as you have no case so goodbye.

Khan has quicker reflexes and weaponry than you're aware of. That's why both these force wielder a go down.

You are unfamiliar with Khan so you're trolling. Nothing from your posts have anything of merit to them. Shame.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't blitz them. He out dueled three of the lesser skilled opponents and then was disarmed just facing Windu. You obviously don't know what blitzing is in fictional terms.

What duel? There was no duel with the first 2 he killed. He just blitzed them. How can it be a duel when Sabers don't even clash, and they can't even react?

You lose 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Klingons are superhuman and he shot them down easily. Spock is also superhuman and he shot his gun away easily despite Spock's gun already aimed at him.

So you've failed to give me ANY proof of superhuman speed/reflexes for the opponents Khan has beaten.

You lose 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Jedi without their weapons aren't that impressive in a fight with say Jango Fett.

Yoda knocked out the Emperor's royal guards without any weapons.

You lose 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
References the fight between Obi and Jango. 😎

You mean where Jango has help from his frigging spaceship and still ran like a b****

You lose 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
They had the chance to fire and didn't. He then force choked them. They had ample time to fire but chose not to.

He also had ample time to make his move. Fact is he showed he can make his move instantly and there's f*** all the mandalorians could do about it.

Same with Khan. He will choke, and be useless.

You lose 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda took out featless guys who didn't fire. We see Yoda fight the featless clones but they got off shots but then again Yoda had help from Obi Wan.

ALL Khan's opponents were fearless 😂

Obi-Wan was taking out a few clones in his own corner, He didn't aid Yoda with the clones he was taking on. Not even one bit. Most the clones were focused on Yoda, and Yoda was ripping them apart.

This has already been proven to you but you keep trolling.

I've also posted for you Yoda ripping apart like 50 droids with their gunships, and deflecting firepower from several Destroyer Droids, which is a speed feat above and beyond anything Khan could ever even dream of.

And yet you keep trolling.

You're a joke.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He never beat Pre. He used a gun to kill Greivous who physically was mauling Obi. So much for awesome reflexes. Obi was dumb enough to kick him and in the process hurt himself.

He beat down Pre, who ran back to his men. He then dodged 3 rockets (which were locked on to him). A speed feat above and beyond puny Khan.

And only ran (from PRE AND HIS MEN) to save Satine.

Yet you keep trolling.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Spock. Khan just survived a crash landing. That was also hand to hand so irrelevant when he's armed.

I'm still waiting for speed feats from Spock that even come close to General Grievous, or heck even Jango Fett!

Originally posted by quanchi112
You balked from the Vader challenge after you already accepted. You are without honor. Spock.

You didn't agree to canon Vader. Because you were chicken.

You then agreed to MOVIE ONLY Kenobi (still chickening out from Complete Canon Kenobi), and then you chickened out.

I then reissued the challenge a few days ago of Canon Kenobi, and you once again chickened out.

You're a chicken. Proven.

I've clearly shown and proven to you what Sidious and Yoda can do without weapons to top level warriors and elite guards. I've shown you what Yoda can do with his Saber against Multiple troops. I've shown you his reflexes being above and beyond Khan's. I've shown you Kenobi defeating opponents with super speed.

And all you have in return is Khan beat Spock, who has no speed feats facepalm

Like EmperorSidious said, You've been beaten, and battered in this thread multiple times, and I have done so again now, but you just keep trolling. Your own thread and poll shows you've not convinced Anyone that Khan even has a minute chance. Have some damn dignity for once in your life and concede.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
What duel? There was no duel with the first 2 he killed. He just blitzed them. How can it be a duel when Sabers don't even clash, and they can't even react?

You lose 😂

So you've failed to give me ANY proof of superhuman speed/reflexes for the opponents Khan has beaten.

You lose 😂

Yoda knocked out the Emperor's royal guards without any weapons.

You lose 😂

You mean where Jango has help from his frigging spaceship and still ran like a b****

You lose 😂

He also had ample time to make his move. Fact is he showed he can make his move instantly and there's f*** all the mandalorians could do about it.

Same with Khan. He will choke, and be useless.

You lose 😂

ALL Khan's opponents were fearless 😂

Obi-Wan was taking out a few clones in his own corner, He didn't aid Yoda with the clones he was taking on. Not even one bit. Most the clones were focused on Yoda, and Yoda was ripping them apart.

This has already been proven to you but you keep trolling.

I've also posted for you Yoda ripping apart like 50 droids with their gunships, and deflecting firepower from several Destroyer Droids, which is a speed feat above and beyond anything Khan could ever even dream of.

And yet you keep trolling.

You're a joke.

He beat down Pre, who ran back to his men. He then dodged 3 rockets (which were locked on to him). A speed feat above and beyond puny Khan.

And only ran (from PRE AND HIS MEN) to save Satine.

Yet you keep trolling.

I'm still waiting for speed feats from Spock that even come close to General Grievous, or heck even Jango Fett!

You didn't agree to canon Vader. Because you were chicken.

You then agreed to MOVIE ONLY Kenobi (still chickening out from Complete Canon Kenobi), and then you chickened out.

I then reissued the challenge a few days ago of Canon Kenobi, and you once again chickened out.

You're a chicken. Proven.

I've clearly shown and proven to you what Sidious and Yoda can do without weapons to top level warriors and elite guards. I've shown you what Yoda can do with his Saber against Multiple troops. I've shown you his reflexes being above and beyond Khan's. I've shown you Kenobi defeating opponents with super speed.

And all you have in return is Khan beat Spock, who has no speed feats facepalm

Like EmperorSidious said, You've been beaten, and battered in this thread multiple times, and I have done so again now, but you just keep trolling. Your own thread and poll shows you've not convinced Anyone that Khan even has a minute chance. Have some damn dignity for once in your life and concede.

I win. 🙂

We see athletically and physically Spock is superhuman. Hell, it's a basic concept how much greater Vulcans are than humans. Spock also showed exceptional hand to hand combat skill. I don't see that from Obi. I see someone using their force abilities to make up for their lack of hand to hand skill once their sabers get knocked free. More importantly if you can't see the superhuman Khan in the scene as he decimates the Klingons then you're either a troll or an idiot.

So you ignore the skill of Jango Fett and my clear statement . Then you say hey look at the featless guards and ignore my clear Jango point. Jango was a skilled opponent unlike the featless royal guards.

I win. Again. 😂

One shot was fired from Boba who could barely even see. Prior to Boba helping Jango disarmed Obi. They also fought one on one after that.m how did Obi fare ? Jango wanted to leave. Was he able to ?

I win. Again and again.

Just like anyone can be overtaken without action. Palpatine approached morons who were confused and in their confusion of who this guy was were overtaken.

Khan won't hesitate. References the Khan decimation of the Klingons or him shoot Spock's own gun free.

Another win!!

I do agree most of Khan's opponents were fearless. But the Klingons and Spock all have feats unlike the clones.

They both attacked a greater group of them while they knew their numbers would be down due to the events taking place. Yoda knew this and even said so in the film. Now compare that to the situation Khan was in with his fellow augments stuck in the torpedoes. He reacted to the Klingons in the moment. He didn't have time to plan an attack and bring a friend like Yoda did at the most opportune time.

Yoda fought an entire group that lacks the skill, firepower, and coordination of Khan. Hell, I've seen Jar Jar mistakenly trip and defeat droids. Droids are not impressive and Yoda still needed aid from clones after the destroyer droids showed up.

You're emotional and compromised. Control yourself.

No, he hit Pre and he was not defeated. Making up a victory when there was none is trolling. You are dishonorable and resort to boldface lying to make your case. Obi fled and hide down a shaft. Khan taking down a lot more opponents instead of jumping down some shaft for cover is greater than Obi's cowardly escape. Khan saved the three from the enterprise without fleeing and even subdued them. You can make up excuses for Obi's cowardice but Khan raged those who stood against him in that scene.

Spock is more skilled in hand to hand than either Grievous or Jango. In hand to hand combat both were slower and looked less skilled than Spock. Watch the scenes and watch how quick they punched and kicked. If you want to pretend they were super humanly on another level then troll on. We both know the truth.

Vader had 6 films to choose from. I already explained the stipulations. The funny thing is clone wars make it worse for Vader. The humiliating showings from that series is truly unbelievable. The same can be said of Kenobi. The amount of evidence I have from that series would turn it into a Kenobi humiliation.

Yoda can dice up clones. I never said he couldn't. I also never said he didn't. The Warriors Yoda beat weren't up to Khan's level of skill or weaponry. Yoda's specialized skill set in light sabers isn't comparable to Khan's skill set with his weaponry. We see a top level Jedi against a top level bounty hunter who wields guns. It wasn't a stomp and there were other factors involving a beast who damaged Jango's jet pack. Kenobi failed to best Jango who possesses no super speed. I haven't even brought uo Cad Bane going up against Kenobi. Kenobi didn't stomp a highly skilled bounty hunter yet you claim he stomps Khan. Utterly ridiculous.

Spock has superhuman feats and is exceptional in hand to hand combat. I think Spock would utterly thrash Jango in a fistacuffs type matchup. Do you disagree ?

I've not only won but I have thoroughly point by point completely annihilated your case with evidence, logical reasoning, and common sense to offset your fanatical devotion to Star Wars Jedi and Sith.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So now you're pretending

I've not only won but I have thoroughly point by point completely annihilated your case with evidence, logical reasoning,.

In your dreams boy. In your dreams. I'll break down all your points (again) tomorrow. But a quick look shows you've failed to provide any speed feats or any evidence of super speed for spock or the klingons.

That's why I always win. Because where I provide feats and evidence, you hide, change the topic and troll 😆

Fyi everyone knows whose really getting their points broken down. Your lies and denial of the facts and feats, as well as your hypocritical method of argumentation doesn't change that.

Nor does you getting the last word simply because the rest of us have a life so have to stop with the same old tiresome thread at some point 😆

Khan got his ass beat by Spock and out smarted by Spock to boot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The vision didn't take place and he can't teleport away. That's bogus. Unusable. He's never done so you have no evidence to back your claim.

Khan has quicker reflexes and weaponry than you're aware of. That's why both these force wielder a go down.

You are unfamiliar with Khan so you're trolling. Nothing from your posts have anything of merit to them. Shame.

Again that's the only thing in that instance that would be made up and the reasons that happened was as Sidious was coming out from the illusion so he wouldn't find his identity. So,again find a real reason why the vision doesn't count. If he could use fake powers he would.

Guns no where near as good as the force.

Oh I know enough to where I know he can get ragdolled. My post have defeated you. It's a shame you can't give up after you have been thoroughly beaten. Let me ask you something, what's to stop Khan from getting ragdolled? Provide a good reason that he would either block or withstand it.