Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by quanchi112
Jedi for the most part are keepers of the peace so acting like this is an isolated incident ignores so much canon I am almost shocked darth troll would bring it up.

Not always. Yoda went for the kill against Palpatine. Kenobi went for the kill against Maul.

Try paying attention to the whole saga instead of cherry picking to suit your fanboyism.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We even see Anakin defeat Dooku and he was urged to kill him at Palpatine's request. So he didn't go into the fight wanting to kill him either yet he easily brought Dooku down and at a point of complete submission to him.

That's because he already had him defeated and captured so there was no need to kill him Dummy!

But did you see any of the Jedi complain that Anakin killed Dooku? Nope. Because they assumed he's just killed him mid-battle.

But at least you've proven You Desperately NEED the Jedi to Hold back on Khan 😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
Here are the facts.

27 seconds in Cad ties up Vos while he's just running away on foot firing his blasters.

Yeah and what did Bane do? Kept running. That held him for long didn't it? And I didn't realize Khan is going to shoot ropes to try and tie his opponents up.

Relevance much?

Originally posted by quanchi112
42 seconds in the rock pillar holding up Obi is gunned down.

Which is all down to the landscape they're on.

I didn't see Khan's weapons blow up the ground Kirk and the Klingons were standing on.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Obi needs time to recover while Vos now continues the pursuit of two on one.

Recover? You mean pick himself up from the landscape exploding under him.

That means jack. Bane had to keep running. And as I said, it's not even going to be relevant to most landscapes. In fact Khan's not even shown he can leap around while firing his big gun. He's only ever fired it standing in the same spot- A Vantage point no less.

This video proves if Khan stay in the same spot, Kenobi's going to EASILY leap at him, and kill him. Because the Jedi leaps in this were awesome. Well beyond what Khan can handle.

Originally posted by quanchi112
52 seconds in after a droid helps distract him Bane kicks him off while Obi now continues the pursuit.

Yeah cheap shot by the droid from behind. Khan doesn't have a droid to attack his opponents from behind. Next:

Originally posted by quanchi112
Two on one so it really shouldn't matter since its two on one anyways to even out the unfair advantages.

Except they never actually fought him 2 on 1, because he kept running and just destroying the landscape around them to slow them down. (He couldn't land a single blast on either of them).

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]1:01 in is the first time we see Bane use his flight boots.

You're right! Because he was dispalying superhuman leaps and agility before that point.

So Bane is definitely Above Human!

Originally posted by quanchi112
1:23 in after Bane disarms Obi and his second light saber they fight one on one.

Yep for like 3 seconds. And he couldn't disarm Obi of his main weapon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bane doesn't have the training with a laser sword yet he isn't decimated despite Obi's specialized training.[/B]

No, he lasted 3 seconds before getting disarmed. And who says Bane doesn't have sword fighting training/skills? Nice to grasp at straws isn't it?

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]1:27 in after Obi disarms his saber Bane then quickly acts and electrocutes him out. He showed he was more than quick enough to fight at the jedis strength up close and personal and come out victorious. [/B]

Nah, Obi-Wan disarmed him, but then was worried he accidentally lost Quinlan's Saber, which is when Bane quickly took advantage.

Now the real facts are:

1. Bane kept running from them.
2. The only effective hits Bane got in were cheap shots.
3. Bane desperately avoided close up fights with them.
4. Bane isn't human.
5. Bane displayed Above Human Speed, Agility, Coordination in that video. He's also armed and equipped to the teeth. Way beyond Khan is.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not always. Yoda went for the kill against Palpatine. Kenobi went for the kill against Maul.

Try paying attention to the whole saga instead of cherry picking to suit your fanboyism.

That's because he already had him defeated and captured so there was no need to kill him Dummy!

But did you see any of the Jedi complain that Anakin killed Dooku? Nope. Because they assumed he's just killed him mid-battle.

But at least you've proven You Desperately NEED the Jedi to Hold back on Khan 😆

Yeah and what did Bane do? Kept running. That held him for long didn't it? And I didn't realize Khan is going to shoot ropes to try and tie his opponents up.

Relevance much?

Which is all down to the landscape they're on.

I didn't see Khan's weapons blow up the ground Kirk and the Klingons were standing on.

Recover? You mean pick himself up from the landscape exploding under him.

That means jack. Bane had to keep running. And as I said, it's not even going to be relevant to most landscapes. In fact Khan's not even shown he can leap around while firing his big gun. He's only ever fired it standing in the same spot- A Vantage point no less.

This video proves if Khan stay in the same spot, Kenobi's going to EASILY leap at him, and kill him. Because the Jedi leaps in this were awesome. Well beyond what Khan can handle.

Yeah cheap shot by the droid from behind. Khan doesn't have a droid to attack his opponents from behind. Next:

Except they never actually fought him 2 on 1, because he kept running and just destroying the landscape around them to slow them down. (He couldn't land a single blast on either of them).

You're right! Because he was dispalying superhuman leaps and agility before that point.

So Bane is definitely Above Human!

Yep for like 3 seconds. And he couldn't disarm Obi of his main weapon.

No, he lasted 3 seconds before getting disarmed. And who says Bane doesn't have sword fighting training/skills? Nice to grasp at straws isn't it?

Nah, Obi-Wan disarmed him, but then was worried he accidentally lost Quinlan's Saber, which is when Bane quickly took advantage.

Now the real facts are:

1. Bane kept running from them.
2. The only effective hits Bane got in were cheap shots.
3. Bane desperately avoided close up fights with them.
4. Bane isn't human.
5. Bane displayed Above Human Speed, Agility, Coordination in that video. He's also armed and equipped to the teeth. Way beyond Khan is.

The point is Anakin was not out for the kill and he defeated him easily. Your theory that Jedi are less effective is absurd. Ok and ? I never said the Jedi don't kill but he soundly defeated him without having to kill him. Dooku soundly defeated Obi won't out having to kill him. Windu soundly defeated Palpatine without having to kill him. Obi soundly defeated Anakin without having to kill him. 💃

Nah, the Jedi kill and most of their strikes kill if someone doesn't defend themselves so this notion that they hold back is ridiculous. Khan kills him. He's ruthless and has the firepower to reduce Palapatine to a geriatric stump.

Bane needed to keep distance between them. So why wouldn't he keep running when he has guns to their swords ? Is he supposed to fight dumb because you're upset and a fanboy. Khan is going to kill. His blasts are far more successive and far more powerful than Bane's weak weaponry.

Shows how a bounty hunter can evade two Jedi for over a minute on foot. That's relevant you poor deluded thing.

So Bane takes advantage of the situation over the Jedi who just usually rely on their force abilities without tact. Thanks for conceding that. Khan guns down the old man. He doesn't need to shoot the ground.

Yes, he needs time to recover while his other peer continues pursuit giving him the time he needs. There were two of them with laser swords so damn right he had to keep running. It worked. 😂

Khan doesn't need to fire his big gun while moving. He was quite effective against over twenty trained Klingons. We see when he needs to go mobile he does.

Kenobi isn't in this thread but leap all he wants. He has not shown the saber can deflect the Boolean gun. He leaps he dies. It doesn't matter but try to stay on topic, darth troll.

So it isn't cheap for two Jedi but a shitty droid is breaking the rules. You're such a hypocrite I can't take you seriously. Khan doesn't need one. He isn't weak like Bane who still beat Obi by the way.

They were in pursuit so it shows one bounty hunter can effectively create distance while taking on two highly skilled Jedi and outright defeat Obi. Thanks for destroying your ridiculous super combat speed argument. Bane is tactical and smart while the Jedi are overconfident while leaping first.

Khan has superhuman attributes as well. The guy jumped fifty meters after crash landing which killed the rest of the men onboard. I never said Bane wasn't. It depends on which humans as all aren't equal, fanboy.

That's obi's specialty so I have no problem with that.

You can't prove he does and my point was that he wasn't as extensively trained as Obi has been. It's all about what you can prove, darth troll.

So you pretend he was worried about losing another jedis light saber to the point he dropped his guard. A major trait of the Jedi is to not hold onto attachment so this ridiculous theory of yours is baseless. Jedis lose their sabers all the time and they don't break concentration and become sentimental over it. You have no grasp of what it is to be a Jedi.

1. I know and proved he could. Thanks for admitting.
2. Once the battle starts there are no cheapshots. He was against two Jedi.
3. Due to being intelligent but ironically he beat Obi up close and personal making it even more humiliating for you.
4. When did I say he was ?
5. Blatantly untrue. Khan's weaponry and battle temperament was well behind this guy schooling two idiotic Jedi. He took down an entire squad of Klingons all converging on him at once. The Klingons also had ships. Khan came out on top. Your point was a droid was an unfair advantage against two Jedi vs. one bounty hunter.

This is my victory dance.

💃

Originally posted by quanchi112
So ? He also tried talking his own son to join him and overthrow him.

Jedi were caught off guard thus proving precog is awful and were overwhelmed after some used their sabers to repel fire. I can have my cake and eat it too.

😂

after cutting his hand off and trying to kill him. 😂

Not necessarily as why would suspect people you have fought alongside for 3 years, why would you think they would turn on you. People who's brothers have died along your side they still remain loyal to you through thick and thin. People who serve along side and carry out dangerous missions and show nothing but loyalty. Why even use precog. You are so desperate. I never said they didn't repel fire. I'm saying that they didn't use force abilities.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
after cutting his hand off and trying to kill him. 😂

Not necessarily as why would suspect people you have fought alongside for 3 years, why would you think they would turn on you. People who's brothers have died along your side they still remain loyal to you through thick and thin. People who serve along side and carry out dangerous missions and show nothing but loyalty. Why even use precog. You are so desperate. I never said they didn't repel fire. I'm saying that they didn't use force abilities.

Palaptine erred and it cost him his life.

If they had precognition it failed. Utterly. If they don't trust their own abilities then it is a useless point and they are weak. I've decimated your fanboyism.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader didn't kill him and Luke was right about him that there was good in him.

Palaptine erred and it cost him his life.

If they had precognition it failed. Utterly. If they don't trust their own abilities then it is a useless point and they are weak. I've decimated your fanboyism.

Yet he was trying to. You don't comprehend very well.

They had it they just didn't use it. You still don't comprehend well do you? Actually why even worry about it if you trust the clones. They served along side the Jedi for 3 years in a hard fought war together and showed nothing but absolute loyalty. So I ask again why even use the ability? The clones themselves were so unsure of the order Sidious gave and this is proven by how if they really were just puppets why did t why automatically fire. Why did some units wait? Such as the ones with Ki Adi Mundi or Aayla Secura. They aimed and waited then fired even giving Mundi time to retaliate.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yet he was trying to. You don't comprehend very well.

They had it they just didn't use it. You still don't comprehend well do you? Actually why even worry about it if you trust the clones. They served along side the Jedi for 3 years in a hard fought war together and showed nothing but absolute loyalty. So I ask again why even use the ability? The clones themselves were so unsure of the order Sidious gave and this is proven by how if they really were just puppets why did t why automatically fire. Why did some units wait? Such as the ones with Ki Adi Mundi or Aayla Secura. They aimed and waited then fired even giving Mundi time to retaliate.

Based on ? You continue to make baseless claims. I guess you dismiss the ability as something they don't use. Perfect. Irrelevant either way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yet he didn't. Vader saved his son so in the end Luke was right and Palaptine was wrong twofold. Luke didn't turn either. 😂

Based on ? You continue to make baseless claims. I guess you dismiss the ability as something they don't use. Perfect. Irrelevant either way.

I'm debating on if he killed him or not I'm debating that he tried and you admitted that he was trying.

The fact that Precog is a very simple ability universal to a Jedi.
1) Served alongside the clones for 3 years in a war
2) Developed trust in the wars as seen by how Anakin trust Rex and Obi Wan trust Cody
3) They have all been through hardships, been through good and bad.

With all of that I ask again why even use precog?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I'm debating on if he killed him or not I'm debating that he tried and you admitted that he was trying.

The fact that Precog is a very simple ability universal to a Jedi.
1) Served alongside the clones for 3 years in a war
2) Developed trust in the wars as seen by how Anakin trust Rex and Obi Wan trust Cody
3) They have all been through hardships, been through good and bad.

With all of that I ask again why even use precog?

So they can be conditioned to ignore their abilities according to you. 😂

They are rather dumb and were wiped out. Good riddance to a dumb order.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Luke was right. There was good in Vader and Palaptine was an idiot for not sensing it.

So they can be conditioned to ignore their abilities according to you. 😂

They are rather dumb and were wiped out. Good riddance to a dumb order.

Now you just ignore evidence. Typical Quan to ignore evidence that directly disproves his assurtions. However you conceded to my point so good.

Not ignore just not use. If it's an ability you learn how to use it and how to control it. You should know that being in the movie versus forum for this long.

Answer the question.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Now you just ignore evidence. Typical Quan to ignore evidence that directly disproves his assurtions. However you conceded to my point so good.

Not ignore just not use. If it's an ability you learn how to use it and how to control it. You should know that being in the movie versus forum for this long.

Answer the question.

So they didn't know how to use it. 😂

Palpatine died because he was stupid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I did not ignore anything. Vader did not kill him and Luke was right.

So they didn't know how to use it. 😂

Palpatine died because he was stupid.

So you concede that he was trying to kill Luke?

Well I knew you were stupid. I specifically said they can use the ability whenever they see fit to do so.

Palpatine is actually one of not the smartest guy in the mythos.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So you concede that he was trying to kill Luke?

Well I knew you were stupid. I specifically said they can use the ability whenever they see fit to do so.

Palpatine is actually one of not the smartest guy in the mythos.

So they didn't see fit to do so and almost the entire order was wiped out in a night. 😂

He died because he was stupid. He was also lucky Anakin saved him. Smartest thing he did was hide in the shadows and keep his true motives hidden for the most part. He's a coward after all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he wasn't and he didn't.

So they didn't see fit to do so and almost the entire order was wiped out in a night. 😂

He died because he was stupid. He was also lucky Anakin saved him. Smartest thing he did was hide in the shadows and keep his true motives hidden for the most part. He's a coward after all.

There goes Quan ignoring evidence again. We see Vader takes death shots at Luke.

There we go, you finally understand the concept. They didn't see it necessary to use precog at that moment due to trust and loyalty to the clones.

Actually he is brilliant. He manipulated the entire republic system. Actually he could have killed windu without Anakin intervening as seen in the movie how there were plenty of shots he could have taken that would end the fight and plus he's more powerful than windu in the force so he could have choked pushed or shocked windu. Well that's the Sith way. They had to stay secret. Why would you want 10,000 plus Jedi to be after you. You couldn't get anything done with that.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
There goes Quan ignoring evidence again. We see Vader takes death shots at Luke.

There we go, you finally understand the concept. They didn't see it necessary to use precog at that moment due to trust and loyalty to the clones.

Actually he is brilliant. He manipulated the entire republic system. Actually he could have killed windu without Anakin intervening as seen in the movie how there were plenty of shots he could have taken that would end the fight and plus he's more powerful than windu in the force so he could have choked pushed or shocked windu. Well that's the Sith way. They had to stay secret. Why would you want 10,000 plus Jedi to be after you. You couldn't get anything done with that.

Speculation. I was mocking you and you don't think they trust it. Boom.

Nah, he was lucky and hide like a cockroach having others do his dirty work. In the end he died because he was stupid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on Palpatine blocking whose blasts ?

I dunno, based on the universal force ability to do it. Palpatine is more than fast enough to based on his feats.

Nah.

Do you even remember what you're denying?

Khan wins.

All evidence says otherwise.

Originally posted by The Scenario
I dunno, based on the universal force ability to do it. Palpatine is more than fast enough to based on his feats.

Do you even remember what you're denying?

All evidence says otherwise.

😂

Do you ?

You want to swap evidence, sport.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah. He didn't kill him nor did he want to. He wanted his help, sport.

Speculation. I was mocking you and you don't think they trust it. Boom.

Nah, he was lucky and hide like a cockroach having others do his dirty work. In the end he died because he was stupid.

He certainly tried to. This is not my words this is the evidence.

Actually it's fact. You said what you meant and what you said was that they didn't see fit to do so. That's your concession.

Yes he was incredibly brilliant. He hid due to what the Sith were doing. Well if he had other do his work for him, why did he attack maul and savage when he could have just told Anakin and Obi wan of any of the other Jedi to take on maul and savage. He pulled political strings of his own. He went I front of hundreds of senators and the Jedi council on a daily basis. So really he did dirty work.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He certainly tried to. This is not my words this is the evidence.

Actually it's fact. You said what you meant and what you said was that they didn't see fit to do so. That's your concession.

Yes he was incredibly brilliant. He hid due to what the Sith were doing. Well if he had other do his work for him, why did he attack maul and savage when he could have just told Anakin and Obi wan of any of the other Jedi to take on maul and savage. He pulled political strings of his own. He went I front of hundreds of senators and the Jedi council on a daily basis. So really he did dirty work.

Nah, I was mocking you and you agreed to something ridiculous.

He was the master politician but the warrior coward. He tried fleeing from Yoda and begged for his own life against Windu. Vader easily tossed his old frail body over to his death.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he didn't. You're lying.

Nah, I was mocking you and you agreed to something ridiculous.

He was the master politician but the warrior coward. He tried fleeing from Yoda and begged for his own life against Windu. Vader easily tossed his old frail body over to his death.

Yes he did your ignoring the evidence.

Well it's to late to cover up your mistakes so you concede this point.

So a warrior coward can defeat mace windu, Maul and savage at one time, be so strong that neither vader nor Dooku thought to overthrow Sidious without the aid of an apprentice, was able to keep his presence hidden from the Jedi council for years, deceived hundreds of senators into giving him power. He was fake begging as you already admitted that he was faking weakness and he was doing so when he was so called begging for his life. He could have killed windu any time he wanted. Well tossing him over the edge isn't a big accomplishment especially when he was distracted.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yes he did your ignoring the evidence.

Well it's to late to cover up your mistakes so you concede this point.

So a warrior coward can defeat mace windu, Maul and savage at one time, be so strong that neither vader nor Dooku thought to overthrow Sidious without the aid of an apprentice, was able to keep his presence hidden from the Jedi council for years, deceived hundreds of senators into giving him power. He was fake begging as you already admitted that he was faking weakness and he was doing so when he was so called begging for his life. He could have killed windu any time he wanted. Well tossing him over the edge isn't a big accomplishment especially when he was distracted.

Anakin interfered. One on one in a fair fight Windu beat Palpatine. Maul and Savage are both weaker so no surprise there. Yeah, he died at the hands of Vader. His own apprentice took him out and he was completely caught off guard.