Originally posted by quanchi112
So we time out his fears of him doing what you claim vs. what I claim otherwise you're just making shit up.Nah.
Khan shoots him before he raises his hands. Timing matters.
Everytime we do you always take that specific situation and pass it off for this one. You don't even look at the circumstances of that particular instance. With that we see Sidious can disarm and choke at one time by simply lifting his hand. Considering the fact that he and Khan are on neutral ground and Sidious doesn't have to walk or anything and both opponents see one another, Sidious will choke and disarm him as per evidence.
Yea.
He doesn't need to raise his hands he just needs to lift it, not even that far. He actually does it fairly quickly.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you don't have any admissible evidence. That's my point. I'm not saying blaster fire is slow but to claim it's faster than bullet fire you need proof.Some Jedi can and yet some Jedi can't. I have instances of Jedi being gunned down so skill level of gun used and Jedi clearly matter.
Khan shoots his phasers which are more powerful and more successive than the blasters fired at Jedi. He was more skilled at saber fighting than the weaker Jedi he killed. Windu successfully disarmed Palpatine one on one. Blowing a feat out of proportions isn't looking directly at the feat. We look at the timing of the feat and it's far slower than blaster or phaser fire. It was too fast for these three Jedi to stop but that is on them.
There is absolutely no evidence he lost on purpose. That's just one fanboy theory given life and perpetuated by other Palpatine apologists.
Khan has shown he's quick enough to defeat slash that dominate Jedi. Order 66 showed multiple Jedi were outright stomped via blasting. They aren't too fast for guys with guns. Hell, the awful droid army on geonosis was portrayed as greater than Windu and various other high ranking Jedi in tandem. The droid army has shit for feats, isn't highly coordinated, and isn't maneuverable.
I don't believe it I know it to be true based off the evidence.
Your attempts on refuting my arguments are so pathetic I want to puke.
There is evidence but I realized its EU material so I didn't share them. But for now, lets say they are as fast as they appear to be in the movies cause even that is fast enough to prove Khan's inferiority in speed.
First of all, Sidious didn't kill those Jedi with superior skill but speed. And those jedi have speed feats that surpass Khan so if Palpatine was fast enough to speedblitz them, he is fast enough to blitz Khan. 👆
The 4 Jedi who fought Sidious participated in the Battle of Geonosis where they fought countless droids. They were all shot at by droids and were fast enough to casually reflect the attacks. Khan has no speed feats to suggest he can keep up with these guys let alone Sidious.
There isnt a scene where a Jedi is defeated by a single gunman. Only C. Trebor was killed by Jango and that's because Trebor was focused on Dooku. Khan won't have that advantage here.
No, you're the biggest fanboy this forum has seen. Even on other sections, people are talking about what a deluded idiot you are. 😂
Originally posted by SiniousThis is a basic principle of debating that the person making the claim has to offer evidence to prove it. I don't need need to refute claims you can't back up. Learn from me, padawan.
Your attempts on refuting my arguments are so pathetic I want to puke.There is evidence but I realized its EU material so I didn't share them. But for now, lets say they are as fast as they appear to be in the movies cause even that is fast enough to prove Khan's inferiority in speed.
First of all, Sidious didn't kill those Jedi with superior skill but speed. And those jedi have speed feats that surpass Khan so if Palpatine was fast enough to speedblitz them, he is fast enough to blitz Khan. 👆
The 4 Jedi who fought Sidious participated in the Battle of Geonosis where they fought countless droids. They were all shot at by droids and were fast enough to casually reflect the attacks. Khan has no speed feats to suggest he can keep up with these guys let alone Sidious.
There isnt a scene where a Jedi is defeated by a single gunman. Only C. Trebor was killed by Jango and that's because Trebor was focused on Dooku. Khan won't have that advantage here.
No, you're the biggest fanboy this forum has seen. Even on other sections, people are talking about what a deluded idiot you are. 😂
How do the Jedi make Khan look inferior in combat speed ? Did you watch Bane or Jango take on Jedi in hand to hand ? Was it a massive speed advantage for the Jedi ? Do you even evidence bro or is it more baseless claims. That sums up your fan base.
He killed then with superior skill. He doesn't have super speed he was quicker than they were with a lightsaber aka superior skill. He didn't blitz them. He killed inferior saber users with a saber. Time out his leap and saber strikes and it isn't impressive at all and requires close distance to pull off but it's a moot point since Khan doesn't use a laser sword either way.
The droids were not limitless and the larger group seen on screen still was definitively portrayed as greater than the combined efforts off a Windu led Jedi crew. They were still wedged in and about to go down save Yoda's clone arrival save. Hell, jar jar binks has mistakenly killed droids by flipping around clumsily shooting the fodder. Khan took out 20 plus Klingons, two ships, and subdued Spock, Kirk, and auburn singlehandedly. Yet you come at me with droids that the Jedi were going to succumb to. GTFO.
So you ignore the Jango feat. Figures. He deflected a blast so he was focusing on Jango before he went down. Don't get it twisted but you're just going to ignore the specifics like most fanboys.
I couldn't care less what you lemmings discuss. I'm simply better than you are. Food for thought is you need to back your claims.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Khan shoots him before he can do so based off the feats. You rely on a feat where the guys weren't even aware of his presence.
Everytime we do you always take that specific situation and pass it off for this one. You don't even look at the circumstances of that particular instance. With that we see Sidious can disarm and choke at one time by simply lifting his hand. Considering the fact that he and Khan are on neutral ground and Sidious doesn't have to walk or anything and both opponents see one another, Sidious will choke and disarm him as per evidence.Yea.
He doesn't need to raise his hands he just needs to lift it, not even that far. He actually does it fairly quickly.
You need to cite the time it takes for him to pull it off otherwise it's fanfic.
Nah.
Based off which feat ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan shoots him before he can do so based off the feats. You rely on a feat where the guys weren't even aware of his presence.You need to cite the time it takes for him to pull it off otherwise it's fanfic.
Nah.
Based off which feat ?
You have to look at the circumstances as well as the feats. The mandalorians do pretty much know he was coming as they would have seen his ship and him walking. It's a big ship not hiding. So yes he would have been spotted. In this battle being on neutral ground, seeing each other, being in a close distance. It's simple.
Certain circumstances make times different.
Yea
Where he force chokes two mandalorian guards. Take out the time it takes for him to get to them and land.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2But he waited so we factor in that they had time to shoot only chose not to.
You have to look at the circumstances as well as the feats. The mandalorians do pretty much know he was coming as they would have seen his ship and him walking. It's a big ship not hiding. So yes he would have been spotted. In this battle being on neutral ground, seeing each other, being in a close distance. It's simple.Certain circumstances make times different.
Yea
Where he force chokes two mandalorian guards. Take out the time it takes for him to get to them and land.
You can't ignore the feats.
Nah.
They had time to shoot and kill him. Khan rapes.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
But he waited so we factor in that they had time to shoot only chose not to.You can't ignore the feats.
Nah.
They had time to shoot and kill him. Khan rapes.
😂
We factor out that in this battle he wouldn't wait. So,with that it would take no time to take Khan down.
You can't ignore the circumstances.
Yea.
Due to circumstances Khan doesn't have.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2No, we do not. We don't ignore that they had time to fun him down.
We factor out that in this battle he wouldn't wait. So,with that it would take no time to take Khan down.You can't ignore the circumstances.
Yea.Due to circumstances Khan doesn't have.
Irony.
Khan wins based off quicker feats.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, we do not. We don't ignore that they had time to fun him down.Irony.
Khan wins based off quicker feats.
Yes we do as circumstances made it that way. Those specific circumstances won't be in this battle. As this is a battle on neutral ground where both opponents already see one another.
So you agree to not ignore circumstance.
So he's faster than palpatine simply lifting his hand that doesn even take a second. Really when timing that feat all you time is how long it took for him to raise his hand.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2We look at how quickly in his scene he was able to do so and it was after they had their guns on him.
Yes we do as circumstances made it that way. Those specific circumstances won't be in this battle. As this is a battle on neutral ground where both opponents already see one another.So you agree to not ignore circumstance.
So he's faster than palpatine simply lifting his hand that doesn even take a second. Really when timing that feat all you time is how long it took for him to raise his hand.
We don't ignore the timing, troll.
Then post the feat so we can time them out. Khan can fire in less than a second. 🙂
He was raising his hand and then gesturing so we time the whole fear, boy.
Khan wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We look at how quickly in his scene he was able to do so and it was after they had their guns on him.We don't ignore the timing, troll.
Then post the feat so we can time them out. Khan can fire in less than a second. 🙂
He was raising his hand and then gesturing so we time the whole fear, boy.
Khan wins.
Well with that you must look at how fast it takes for him to do the ability. You look at how long it takes for him to raise his hand. I re watched the video and they had their guns up before he got off the ship. So them having the time to lift their weapons means nothing as they saw his ship and already had their weapons ready.
We ignore irrelevant timing ignoramus. https://youtu.be/-7hBZNsPnyg it only matters how long it took for him to raise his hand. From the moment he started to the moment they were choked. So less than a second - a second. Also he was taking his time with them. He wasn't just aiming to kill he was aiming to torture as well. He took two seconds less with the ones with maul.
The raise of his hand was the gesture stupid. It took him less than a second.
Sidious stomps.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2So Palpatine doesn't react first. He waits. That's telling. Khan doesn't wait and just fires because he is intelligent. Palpatine was moronic enough to warn Yoda and he still blasted him. Friggin Jedi. 😂
Well with that you must look at how fast it takes for him to do the ability. You look at how long it takes for him to raise his hand. I re watched the video and they had their guns up before he got off the ship. So them having the time to lift their weapons means nothing as they saw his ship and already had their weapons ready.We ignore irrelevant timing ignoramus. https://youtu.be/-7hBZNsPnyg it only matters how long it took for him to raise his hand. From the moment he started to the moment they were choked. So less than a second - a second. Also he was taking his time with them. He wasn't just aiming to kill he was aiming to torture as well. He took two seconds less with the ones with maul.
The raise of his hand was the gesture stupid. It took him less than a second.
Sidious stomps.
We don't ignore behavior and timing. You don't get to decide what counts and what doesn't. He didn't even react right away so based off the video he takes seconds to do so and won't even move if Khan aims at him based on the evidence.
Not with the pods. With that scene we don't ignore Palpatine just walks slowly toward them without getting the jump on them.
Khan one shots him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
This is a basic principle of debating that the person making the claim has to offer evidence to prove it. I don't need need to refute claims you can't back up. Learn from me, padawan.How do the Jedi make Khan look inferior in combat speed ? Did you watch Bane or Jango take on Jedi in hand to hand ? Was it a massive speed advantage for the Jedi ? Do you even evidence bro or is it more baseless claims. That sums up your fan base.
He killed then with superior skill. He doesn't have super speed he was quicker than they were with a lightsaber aka superior skill. He didn't blitz them. He killed inferior saber users with a saber. Time out his leap and saber strikes and it isn't impressive at all and requires close distance to pull off but it's a moot point since Khan doesn't use a laser sword either way.
The droids were not limitless and the larger group seen on screen still was definitively portrayed as greater than the combined efforts off a Windu led Jedi crew. They were still wedged in and about to go down save Yoda's clone arrival save. Hell, jar jar binks has mistakenly killed droids by flipping around clumsily shooting the fodder. Khan took out 20 plus Klingons, two ships, and subdued Spock, Kirk, and auburn singlehandedly. Yet you come at me with droids that the Jedi were going to succumb to. GTFO.
So you ignore the Jango feat. Figures. He deflected a blast so he was focusing on Jango before he went down. Don't get it twisted but you're just going to ignore the specifics like most fanboys.
I couldn't care less what you lemmings discuss. I'm simply better than you are. Food for thought is you need to back your claims.
If Jango took on a Jedi who can reflect blasters, that means he is as fast as them. That is also a basic principle of debating. If character A has great feats in an area and character B can keep up with A in that area, character A's feats elevate character B as well. So Sidious, possibly the fastest character in Star Wars is way a head of Khan unless you start giving me some speed feats that are comparable.
You're confused cause the footage in the movie was not as fast as it was intended to be in the story. That is mostly done to make the characters visible to the audience and specifically in that scene, Ian Mcdiarmid played the character and he was really old even back in 2005 so don't expect him to fight like Anakin and Kenobi did. One thing for sure though, Sidious and Windu were a lot faster when they fought than Kenobi and Anakin on Mustafar.
It doesn't matter how clumsy the droids are. There are lots of instances where their shots were accurate and would hit the target if the jedi didnt reflect the bolts. It is clear that Jedi are fast enough to reflect blaster bolts and Sidious is fast enough to speedblitz them.
I'm not ignoring the Jango feat. I'm explaining it. You just lack the intellect to understand my explanation.
No you're a deluded troll and worse than any other member I've seen so far on KMC. 😆
So you still haven't managed to prove Khan's superiority in a single criteria. Khan still dies from the energy radiated by Sidious' presence. 👆
Originally posted by Sinious
If Jango took on a Jedi who can reflect blasters, that means he is as fast as them. That is also a basic principle of debating. If character A has great feats in an area and character B can keep up with A in that area, character A's feats elevate character B as well. So Sidious, possibly the fastest character in Star Wars is way a head of Khan unless you start giving me some speed feats that are comparable.You're confused cause the footage in the movie was not as fast as it was intended to be in the story. That is mostly done to make the characters visible to the audience and specifically in that scene, Ian Mcdiarmid played the character and he was really old even back in 2005 so don't expect him to fight like Anakin and Kenobi did. One thing for sure though, Sidious and Windu were a lot faster when they fought than Kenobi and Anakin on Mustafar.
It doesn't matter how clumsy the droids are. There are lots of instances where their shots were accurate and would hit the target if the jedi didnt reflect the bolts. It is clear that Jedi are fast enough to reflect blaster bolts and Sidious is fast enough to speedblitz them.
I'm not ignoring the Jango feat. I'm explaining it. You just lack the intellect to understand my explanation.
No you're a deluded troll and worse than any other member I've seen so far on KMC. 😆
So you still haven't managed to prove Khan's superiority in a single criteria. Khan still dies from the energy radiated by Sidious' presence. 👆
I agree he is as fast as Jedi. That's why I laugh at the notion the force makes force users sooooo much faster than non force users. It makes no sense. Jango isn't faster with a gun than Khan nor does he display better hand to hand skills in close quarter combat. If we go based off feats then Khan is undoubtedly superior based off feats and portrayal.
He also had other actors portraying him in the movement scene so nice try. We see the real actor hissing in the up close shots. We also see Lee's Dooku cgi generated with the flipping and acrobatic scenes. The lengths you fanboys go to sometimes. At no point were they portrayed as superhumanly fast during combat to the point non force users can't compete so stop. If you can't prove it shut it.
The skill of their opponents always matter. If Yoda beats up a five year old and then takes down Dooku they aren't one and the same. Skill matters. Droids aren't maneuverable and aren't highly skilled yet they were going to overwhelm the Jedi this makes them look very bad. The Jedi are skilled enough to deflect non skilled blasters and in some cases skilled opponents depending on the skill level of the Jedi. Sidious was quicker than three guys he was more skilled than at saber dueling. He wasn't faster than Windu who effectively disarmed him.
I understand perfectly well that he blocked a Jango blast which meant he was paying attention to Jango. Quit ignoring the obvious because you're too busy excuse making.
And here you go losing your cool and become emotionally unhinged. Get a hold of yourself.
Khan kills him with one shot. Watch Into Darkness and watch how easily Khan decimates a squad of Klingong singlehandedly according to Kirk. The three from the Enterprise crew were in complete awe of the skill and relative ease he dealt with the organized attacks from the Klingons.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
So Palpatine doesn't react first. He waits. That's telling. Khan doesn't wait and just fires because he is intelligent. Palpatine was moronic enough to warn Yoda and he still blasted him. Friggin Jedi. 😂We don't ignore behavior and timing. You don't get to decide what counts and what doesn't. He didn't even react right away so based off the video he takes seconds to do so and won't even move if Khan aims at him based on the evidence.
Not with the pods. With that scene we don't ignore Palpatine just walks slowly toward them without getting the jump on them.
Khan one shots him.
So you don't understand how to,analyze. I don't have the time to teach you either. The two being right in front of each other, Sidious will choke khan and take his weapons. All Sidious has to do is lift his hand and that's game over for Khan.
Well you actually do. When you look at the situation, then you determine what gets put in and left out. For instance, after seeing the video I now know to take out the guards aiming at him due to the fact they already saw his ship so they were already ready. In this we look at how fast it takes for palpatine to lift his hand. With that it takes him no time.
This is not about the pods. This about the mandalorians. Try to stay on topic.
With what? He doesn't have weapons.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2That is scripting the fight without evidence to back it up. Khan fires faster than he lifts his hand based off evidence.
So you don't understand how to,analyze. I don't have the time to teach you either. The two being right in front of each other, Sidious will choke khan and take his weapons. All Sidious has to do is lift his hand and that's game over for Khan.Well you actually do. When you look at the situation, then you determine what gets put in and left out. For instance, after seeing the video I now know to take out the guards aiming at him due to the fact they already saw his ship so they were already ready. In this we look at how fast it takes for palpatine to lift his hand. With that it takes him no time.
This is not about the pods. This about the mandalorians. Try to stay on topic.
With what? He doesn't have weapons.
Palpatine was in no rush so you can't alter his behavior just because you really like hi,.
Yes, and they and time to aim. Awful.
Yes, he does. Read the op.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That is scripting the fight without evidence to back it up. Khan fires faster than he lifts his hand based off evidence.Palpatine was in no rush so you can't alter his behavior just because you really like hi,.
Yes, and they and time to aim. Awful.
Yes, he does. Read the op.
Based on the description of the battle, I assume it's on neutral ground and both opponents are facing one another. What evidence, you haven't posted anything except claims without evidence to back it up. In actual lot alike, it takes is a mind thing from Sidiosu which takes no time or a simple put out your hand in a choking notion and that's it. With this he still wins due to the fact that he can lift his hand fast enough before khan does anything.
Actually going up against two different types of opponents. He also raised his hand a little bit before they said hault.
They already saw his ship and were aiming belfry he even got off the ship or just as he was getting off. Either way they were already ready with guns out and aiming before palpatine got to them. Fact.
No Sidious took them remember.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Do I need to post him shredding the foes he's faced with his weapons ? First admit you've never seen it. He needs to focus to do so you need to prove it without ignoring the timing of the feat.
Based on the description of the battle, I assume it's on neutral ground and both opponents are facing one another. What evidence, you haven't posted anything except claims without evidence to back it up. In actual lot alike, it takes is a mind thing from Sidiosu which takes no time or a simple put out your hand in a choking notion and that's it. With this he still wins due to the fact that he can lift his hand fast enough before khan does anything.Actually going up against two different types of opponents. He also raised his hand a little bit before they said hault.
They already saw his ship and were aiming belfry he even got off the ship or just as he was getting off. Either way they were already ready with guns out and aiming before palpatine got to them. Fact.
No Sidious took them remember.
So he is stupid and didn't even want to choke them so he is overconfident. Good.
Palpatine took seconds to react either way which supports my Khan fires first.
Read the op. Scripting the fight is trolling.