Khan Noonien Singh vs. Palpatine

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do I need to post him shredding the foes he's faced with his weapons ? First admit you've never seen it. He needs to focus to do so you need to prove it without ignoring the timing of the feat.

So he is stupid and didn't even want to choke them so he is overconfident. Good.

Palpatine took seconds to react either way which supports my Khan fires first.

Read the op. Scripting the fight is trolling.

The power capability is irrelevant. We are looking at how fast he can pull it out and shot. Sidiosu doesn't even need time. All he has to do is lift his hand which doesn't take time. What does focus have to do with anything. He didn't need need much focus when he choked those guards out.

He's overconfident. However he still chokes Khan. Kahn won't have his weapons out. He will have to move to do so and Sidious can just choke him quickly. Also due to force perception and his enhanced speed he could evade it. By knowing it's coming and his sped he could just move and then shock or choke Khan. So he can lose in many different ways.

We only look at how long it took for him to lift his hand. That's how long it takes for him to use the ability. All other factors really don't matter.

The OP says nothing about Sidious taking away weapons. I'm not scripting I'm using facts to support my claim.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree he is as fast as Jedi. That's why I laugh at the notion the force makes force users sooooo much faster than non force users. It makes no sense. Jango isn't faster with a gun than Khan nor does he display better hand to hand skills in close quarter combat. If we go based off feats then Khan is undoubtedly superior based off feats and portrayal.

He also had other actors portraying him in the movement scene so nice try. We see the real actor hissing in the up close shots. We also see Lee's Dooku cgi generated with the flipping and acrobatic scenes. The lengths you fanboys go to sometimes. At no point were they portrayed as superhumanly fast during combat to the point non force users can't compete so stop. If you can't prove it shut it.

The skill of their opponents always matter. If Yoda beats up a five year old and then takes down Dooku they aren't one and the same. Skill matters. Droids aren't maneuverable and aren't highly skilled yet they were going to overwhelm the Jedi this makes them look very bad. The Jedi are skilled enough to deflect non skilled blasters and in some cases skilled opponents depending on the skill level of the Jedi. Sidious was quicker than three guys he was more skilled than at saber dueling. He wasn't faster than Windu who effectively disarmed him.

I understand perfectly well that he blocked a Jango blast which meant he was paying attention to Jango. Quit ignoring the obvious because you're too busy excuse making.

And here you go losing your cool and become emotionally unhinged. Get a hold of yourself.

Khan kills him with one shot. Watch Into Darkness and watch how easily Khan decimates a squad of Klingong singlehandedly according to Kirk. The three from the Enterprise crew were in complete awe of the skill and relative ease he dealt with the organized attacks from the Klingons.

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Okay so all this tells us is Jango is fast enough to keep up with guys faster than blaster bolts and therefor he is faster than Khan. You keep yapping about feats but you never present any.

I never said there were no cgi's in the movie lmao. In that particular scene though, they chose to use the actor instead of making it like Yoda vs Sidious. With your logic, Sidious is as fast as he is scene in the Yoda duel where he was faster than when he fought Windu. If his portrayal of speed is actually accurate and not slowed down due to the actor's age, then why didn't he fight as fast as he did against Yoda? Your logic contradicts within itself.

It doesn't matter if Khan is better than droids. Whether if he is Zeus or a monkey doesn't matter as long their shots find the target. Khan will shoot at Sidious and Sidious will reflect the shot back at him and kill him. That is of course if Sidious doesn't choose to speedblitz him or break his neck with TK.

Not at first. He was going to kill Dooku but his Jedi senses allowed him to react to the first shot sent by Jango but it was a last second thing which made it harder for him to keep up with the shots coming at him. That wouldn't have been the case if he was there to kill Jango and not Dooku. Any 3+ years old person could see this really.

I'm quite okay really. You're either a troll or just extremely stupid. Either way its cool, I'm almost done here as I doubt you have any legit arguments.

I've already watched the movie. Khan's only feats are against feeble opponents who are not comparable to what Sidious can do.

Sids wins even easier than the poll suggests

This thread is as much testament to effective trolling as it is Sheev's inexorable victory.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The power capability is irrelevant. We are looking at how fast he can pull it out and shot. Sidiosu doesn't even need time. All he has to do is lift his hand which doesn't take time. What does focus have to do with anything. He didn't need need much focus when he choked those guards out.

He's overconfident. However he still chokes Khan. Kahn won't have his weapons out. He will have to move to do so and Sidious can just choke him quickly. Also due to force perception and his enhanced speed he could evade it. By knowing it's coming and his sped he could just move and then shock or choke Khan. So he can lose in many different ways.

We only look at how long it took for him to lift his hand. That's how long it takes for him to use the ability. All other factors really don't matter.

The OP says nothing about Sidious taking away weapons. I'm not scripting I'm using facts to support my claim.

So he's stupid. Khan will exploit someone who is overconfident. So you agree his overconfidence is something khan can exploit. Bingo.

We look at who he faced and what they were able to pull off. We don't look at five minutes in a fight with an opening someone deciding to start using said attack and falsely apply the feat to immediately in all versus threads.

Khan fires before he can disarm him based off the timing of their feats. You already said he's overconfident so what you say isn't likely.

Originally posted by Sinious
Okay so all this tells us is Jango is fast enough to keep up with guys faster than blaster bolts and therefor he is faster than Khan. You keep yapping about feats but you never present any.

I never said there were no cgi's in the movie lmao. In that particular scene though, they chose to use the actor instead of making it like Yoda vs Sidious. With your logic, Sidious is as fast as he is scene in the Yoda duel where he was faster than when he fought Windu. If his portrayal of speed is actually accurate and not slowed down due to the actor's age, then why didn't he fight as fast as he did against Yoda? Your logic contradicts within itself.

It doesn't matter if Khan is better than droids. Whether if he is Zeus or a monkey doesn't matter as long their shots find the target. Khan will shoot at Sidious and Sidious will reflect the shot back at him and kill him. That is of course if Sidious doesn't choose to speedblitz him or break his neck with TK.

Not at first. He was going to kill Dooku but his Jedi senses allowed him to react to the first shot sent by Jango but it was a last second thing which made it harder for him to keep up with the shots coming at him. That wouldn't have been the case if he was there to kill Jango and not Dooku. Any 3+ years old person could see this really.

I'm quite okay really. You're either a troll or just extremely stupid. Either way its cool, I'm almost done here as I doubt you have any legit arguments.

I've already watched the movie. Khan's only feats are against feeble opponents who are not comparable to what Sidious can do.

Because at certain points he appears or reacts faster than others. Who fights at the same speed the entire time ? We see his attacks were quicker than the shit Jedi could deal with but not fast enough to defeat Windu. Windu was the best Jedi there and he disarmed palaptine. This isn't rocket science.

Incorrect. Shitty opponents get their blaster fire reflected back into them but that wasn't the case with Jango. He was skilled so this did not occur. Saying a droid and Jango are around the same skill level because their blasts hit their targets and forgetting to note their maneuverability, intelligence, feats, etc. to pain this false picture that they are special is ignoring common sense. Based off what can Palpatine reflect Khan's Boolean blasts back onto him ?

So you admit he focused on blocking a shot and ignore that he wasn't skilled enough wise to stop Jango Fett. Be serious. What you're saying makes no sense. If his attention was solely on Dooku then he wouldn't have blocked a single shot.

I've decimated all your excuse making, hyperbolic propaganda, and delusional points into the ground. It's a perfect time to make your exit speech. Flee like Yoda did after he failed. Coward.

The Klingons aren't feeble. The enterprise crew had no shot according to uhura. The droids are feeble. The droids were taken out by jar jar flopping around. That's what happened to feeble opponents. Khan also easily disarmed Spock who has feats as well. Taking out two ships and 20-30 plus Klingons is superhuman. The movie flat out smacked the viewer in the end with this.

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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Sids wins even easier than the poll suggests

Originally posted by The_Tempest
This thread is as much testament to effective trolling as it is Sheev's inexorable victory.

It's nice to see that everyone agrees that Palpatine wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's nice to see that everyone agrees that Palpatine wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you concede Khan's weapons are more powerful. Everyone needs time you fool. Lifting your hand takes time. If you don't know that you can't understand well enough to debate in the first place.

So he's stupid. Khan will exploit someone who is overconfident. So you agree his overconfidence is something khan can exploit. Bingo.

We look at who he faced and what they were able to pull off. We don't look at five minutes in a fight with an opening someone deciding to start using said attack and falsely apply the feat to immediately in all versus threads.

Khan fires before he can disarm him based off the timing of their feats. You already said he's overconfident so what you say isn't likely.

To,the force oh no. The force even with just movie feats beats Khans weapons. Lifting his hand doesn't really take him time. Less than a second. Hardly anytime.

Can and will are two different things. In fact I went back and watched the video. Before they said hault he lifted his hand, and then he used the ability. Also he could make Khan kill himself with his own weapon.

We look at how long it takes for him to use the ability. That way we know if he is slow or not. The people and location dont matter as in this case and most others they are both different. Sidious is facing 1 opponent instead of two. However Khan still gets choked.

So based off your logic Sidious wins. His timing I s better than Khans. All he does is lift his hand and that's it. Also you don't have any feats of his speed so khan loses by default. Also Sidiosu has lightning, force crush, he can also ragdoll him.

Until Quan can show some actual feats for khan that say he can beat the person he is going up against in these threads he loses along with Khan.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
This thread is as much testament to effective trolling as it is Sheev's inexorable victory.

I'm gonna stop posting after 1-2 more posts. It was hilarious to hear this guy's arguments though so I don't feel like my time is wasted here. 😄

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
To,the force oh no. The force even with just movie feats beats Khans weapons. Lifting his hand doesn't really take him time. Less than a second. Hardly anytime.

Can and will are two different things. In fact I went back and watched the video. Before they said hault he lifted his hand, and then he used the ability. Also he could make Khan kill himself with his own weapon.

We look at how long it takes for him to use the ability. That way we know if he is slow or not. The people and location dont matter as in this case and most others they are both different. Sidious is facing 1 opponent instead of two. However Khan still gets choked.

So based off your logic Sidious wins. His timing I s better than Khans. All he does is lift his hand and that's it. Also you don't have any feats of his speed so khan loses by default. Also Sidiosu has lightning, force crush, he can also ragdoll him.

Based on what feat ?

We also look at what the opponent did, the circumstances, etc. We see he is overconfident and stupid.

Khan guns him down based off the feats.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Until Quan can show some actual feats for khan that say he can beat the person he is going up against in these threads he loses along with Khan.

Originally posted by Sinious
I'm gonna stop posting after 1-2 more posts. It was hilarious to hear this guy's arguments though so I don't feel like my time is wasted here. 😄

Nah, I'll reply probably tomorrow.

Originally posted by quanchi112
First admit you are ignorant when it comes to Quan then I will repost evidence.

You've had this long to post evidence. Do it or you lose. It's up to you. It won't matter as no matter how fast he is Sidiosu can just disarm him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
khan can shoot multiple blasts in less than a second so khan still wins.

Based on what feat ?

We also look at what the opponent did, the circumstances, etc. We see he is overconfident and stupid.

Khan guns him down based off the feats.

He can't shoot if he doesn't have any weapons as Sidious can just easily take them from him.

Based on how people like Dooku have manipulated beings to,get their own weapons to the kill others so with that he could have made someone kill themselves.

As for further research I can see that being a precog moment. I mean while Sidiosu is powerful he is human. So he knows that there are chances when they were already aiming. Also him being overconfident has only backfired on him twice. Once with yoda and once with Vader. The time with yoda he knew who yoda was and has faced people of his caliber. So he believed he could handle it. Then he realized he had to be serious. With khan he just takes him out due to not knowing who this guy is so he just kills him.

What feats you haven't posted any. Sidious can just take his weapons and choke him at the same time, shock him with lightning thus knocking him unconscious, crush him, ragdoll him, and many other things. Also answer me this. What is to stop Sidious from just waving his arm thus removing his weapon from his grasp and then putting his hand in a choking fashion thus choking him, and then shocking him.

Originally posted by Sinious
Nah, I'll reply probably tomorrow.