Originally posted by One_True_Mith
Again, so what? Do you know how endurance works? Just because you run 5 miles, stop for a minute, then run another 1 mile, doesn't suddenly mean that the last 6 miles didn't happen. The human body has physical limits. Have you ever exercised in your life?Because even people who exercise often--sometimes too often are left more physically tired even after hours of rest if they've really expended themselves. I used to bike to work a few years ago, five days a week. 45 minutes there and back, for a total of 14 miles. Between that and work, even with hours of rest, my legs would still not be at 100% the next day. It could take a day or two to get myself back at 100%
Wow...just wow.
That isn't how the world works. If you don't believe me, jog 5 miles and fight someone of equal skill. See how well it goes for you.
And? Of course he did. Probably between the guy's make-up and the fact that his opponent was an old man, the fight would have looked terrible. In reality, the fight against 3-4 masters would have actually have lasted longer. Palpatine would have moved defensively, trying to keep them at bay with force tricks or his lightsaber. He'd kill the ones that slipped up or exposed themselves.
In the end, it would have been Palpatine against Windu, second only to Yoda as the strongest Jedi Master. And even then, Paplatine threw the fight.
Yeah, I'm going to keep on saying it. Movies are portrayals. They are not the literal things. Because otherwise we can all sit back and laugh at how ****ing stupid Khan is and how he fights like a prissy little girl.
Because he does. Like him "tripping" that klingon. Right. The actor rolled off the edge after he basically love-tapped him. In reality, if he'd done that, the Klingon would have hit the ground and the moment Khan turned away to "look like a badass", the Klingon would have put several rounds through his bed-sheet-white chest.
I don't need any. Of course the actor isn't going to be tired. Lucas didn't pay much attention to those details in his prequels and the scene itself was very short and not physically demanding--again, old actor.
Sorry, but his safety comes before your absurd demand that he start flipping around and swinging his sword.
I said no such thing.
That's also wrong. Augments can't survive a fall from that height.
Oh please. If that were a real battlefield against real soldiers and Khan pulled the shit they did in the movie, he'd be on the ground, squealing like a pig until he finally bled out. In any real, intelligent situation, Khan would have done none of those things, so SoD would determine that he wouldn't.
No it wasn't. Khan being "savage" is a load of bullcrap. First, Khan was never an expert in weapons technology. He was a leader. Maybe a warrior of some skill. But he never designed weapons or anything like that. More to the point, he came from a time when they hadn't even developed warp drive. They didn't even have antimatter reactors or torpedoes in his era, how the **** would he know how to design a weapon from technology that he had no basic grasp of?
No, he was revived because they needed a flimsy excuse to bring Khan into the movies and the writers obviously didn't know how to meld his story and the overall plot of "shitty admiral goes to war" work together. So they came up with a BS story, rather than anything that might have actually of made sense.
They were also on the run from Kenobi. And again, you prove how you don't understand the limits of motion. If Khan were in their shoes, he'd have very likely of been killed. He'd have no cover and he couldn't possibly avoid the volume of fire.
So what?
Alright, first off--Spock is a science officer. He likely has little more than basic training in terms of hand to hand combat. The fact that Khan beat him in hand to hand is no great feat. And I'm not just saying it--I am factually correct in stating that no Augment that came before Khan had regeneration or the ability to fall from fantastic heights.
The film literally got it wrong.
Yeah, I have watched the movie. Once. Because it was shit. Horrific plot-holes and factually wrong on so many levels.
And so he made it several times the size of a ship that needs hundreds of people to keep it running.
I don't know how it can be anymore apparent how stupid that is.
No, it was stupid alpha-male fantasy bullshit. It wasn't badass, it was incredibly stupid and would never have worked. By the time he'd actually get anywhere with that, someone would have put a round through his back.
Sorry, but Into Darkness was a spewing piece of shit. This is fact. Its plot was a mess, its characters passed the idiot ball, and everyone constantly did things that worked against the opening?
And on and on it goes.
The only thing Khan wins is being thrown out of a 150th foot floor building and feeding the local rodents, his body medium-rare. It'll land roughly nine inches to the left of the faded chalk outline of of Master Windu.
Dude, the dark lord of the Sith bear the first three Jedi in under a minute with a few strikes. He expended more energy against oppress and Maul and he wasn't close to being fatigued. Based off your analogy he ran like a hundred feet basically compared to the distance of taking out these weakling Jedi masters. He didn't lose because he was fatigued.
Dude, these are fictional characters who are superhuman so don't try comparing them to normal people. Nothing in the film indicated fatigue.
This is fiction and talking about guys force amping. These guys are superhuman so comparing them to real people is really just a sigh of desperation.
Don't try to change the facts to aid your piss poor debating. He killed the three Jedi masters very quickly and easily.
Saying he threw the fight and going against Lucas the film director saying he didn't with no evidence makes you some ignorant, crazy person. You just dismiss what you don't like and make up shit with nothing to even back it up.
The movie's provide us with facts based off fictional superhuman badasses. They aren't comparable to real people. Real people can't amp off the force of jump sixty feet in the air. Khan was called a super man because he was.
No, we debate what these guys pull off and don't say hey this doesn't happen because in real life I believe this would have happened. No one will take a dope like yourself seriously when you ignore facts.
The old actor isn't in this thread it's the fictional Sith Lord who rapes people younger than him. In reality the actor is some shitty old man but we aren't dea ting the actor we are debating Sidious.
Concession accepted.
Khan did survive a fall from that height. Spock even says Khan could survive as the film hit the viewer over the face with how superhuman he is. At this point I can't take you seriously anymore.
Quit with the ignoring facts. You're a doofus.
Khan was always brilliant so his exposure to Starfleet and these new experiences make him into a different guy because he has different experiences. Again, brilliance and these are the movie facts. Quit deluding yourself.
Again facts are facts. They decide what counts. You saying it doesn't count shows you're a brick wall unable to accept the evidence. You're basically a biased dummy who selects what he thinks counts and ignores facts.
Kenobi's wasn't in that scene. They fled from Honda pirates. Khan was against militarized trained Klingons and he easily eradicated them. Khan's weaponry would annihilate the weak pirates. He'd also seek higher ground and go mobile on them.
We see Spock is trained in hand to hand fighting. He annihilated Kirk and was able to last a little while against Khan before he needed outside help. That doesn't matter as this director retconned it. This is a Nufilm. What this film says goes no matter how bad,y you want to cry in your soup over it.
No, you are a biased fanboy who selects what he thinks counts. I accept all facts otherwise it's speaking in delusions.
He was staying there because Starfleet couldn't go there because they can't start a galactus war over going after one guy. Starfleet isn't some warmongering organization.
The events in this timeline are different and the tensions between the Klingons and Starfleet are there. Quit inserting your laughable opinion and ignoring the faces.
Again your opinion doesn't override facts.
No, the film was amazing. Your opinion is shit. Calm down. York ranting and raving like some out of control geek.
Khan crushes Sheev's skull or he shoots Sheev and leaves his body in stumps of flesh.