First Abhi would like to contend that because Etrigan's hell fire hasn't put Superman down that Daimon's would also fail. Poor poor comparison.
When has Etrigan ever bested say Beron with hell fire the way that Daimon does Satan here
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3586306-rage+and+fury+make+his+strength+ten+fold.jpg
Here with only hell fire he defeats a demon well above Etrigan in power (one of Satan's elite)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555822-don%27t+know+how+to+beg+2.jpg
He has also exhibited FAR greater control than any other hellion in fiction in the use of hell fire.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555778-acuit+control+of+soulfire.jpg
Not to mention that while Etrigan wields the hell fire of a demon Hellstrom wields the power of all hell itself
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3577005-netherium+saps+satan+of+his+powers.jpg
His power is the very power of the Lord of hell (any hell, the reason he defeats mephisto, Osiris etc)
Conversly Supes' heat vision aint doing jack
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555757-you+call+this+power.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555758-you+call+this+power+2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555773-bad+choice+to+want+hellstroms+power+2+.jpg
That same instance his hell fire actually destroyed an imortal infernal demon.
The elements even the very planet are his to command
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555779-daimon+commands+lightning.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555782-trident+commands+the+earth.jpg
Traversing time and space are but a thought
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555780-time+travel.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555781-traverse+through+hell.jpg
Whe he allows his full demon slef to take over the tears with his mystic talons (to which Superman will not be invulnerable having no protection from magic) the hides of demon hordes abart
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555806-hellstorm+v1+%239+-+page+18.jpg
He has stood up to the power of heaven itself
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555808-hellstorm+v1+%2310+-+page+17.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555809-hellstorm+v1+%2310+-+page+19.jpg
You compared Lobo's pathetic (by comparison ) regeneration to that of Daimon who can bring the dead back to life with a touch and heal instantly.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560634-healed+profeet+from+death.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560635-healing+touch.jpg
He can battle on the astral plane, in the mind or the soul
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560666-breaking+mind-stars+contact+with+other+worlds.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560667-controls+trident+by+mind.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560673-touching+and+hurting+gods.jpg
He can create duplicates, Superman could be fighting dozens of him.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560702-daimon_hellstrom_-_venom_vol_2_41.jpg
Finally he creates force fields that can contain Dormammu and Black heart, yeah Superman should have no problem with them.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3586354-traps+dormammu.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3586353-sos%2Bvs%2Bblackheart%2B%284%29.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegend
Bwhahaha.So you claim this is a bait thread? Anyway Superman oneshots this clown. Lulz @ using PC Superman though.
No bait, just wanted to make sure you showed up. Not that i expect much of a fight. No one shotting will be had because in character Superman won't go all out until it's too bloody late. Daimon can tank the blows of the type of attacks Superman would normally employ at the start of a fight, manipulate time so that Superman's speed is meaningless, erect force fields that Superman can't penetrate and then start using magic on a higher order than Superman has ever encountered ( and I haven't even shown the magic yet).
Originally posted by beatboks
No bait, just wanted to make sure you showed up. Not that i expect much of a fight. No one shotting will be had because in character Superman won't go all out until it's too bloody late. Daimon can tank the blows of the type of attacks Superman would normally employ at the start of a fight, manipulate time so that Superman's speed is meaningless, erect force fields that Superman can't penetrate and then start using magic on a higher order than Superman has ever encountered ( and I haven't even shown the magic yet).
Suuuuure.
Originally posted by beatboks
First Abhi would like to contend that because Etrigan's hell fire hasn't put Superman down that Daimon's would also fail. Poor poor comparison.
When has Etrigan ever bested say Beron with hell fire the way that Daimon does Satan here
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3586306-rage+and+fury+make+his+strength+ten+fold.jpg
Here with only hell fire he defeats a demon well above Etrigan in power (one of Satan's elite)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555822-don%27t+know+how+to+beg+2.jpg
He has also exhibited FAR greater control than any other hellion in fiction in the use of hell fire.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555778-acuit+control+of+soulfire.jpgNot to mention that while Etrigan wields the hell fire of a demon Hellstrom wields the power of all hell itself
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3577005-netherium+saps+satan+of+his+powers.jpg
His power is the very power of the Lord of hell (any hell, the reason he defeats mephisto, Osiris etc)Conversly Supes' heat vision aint doing jack
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555757-you+call+this+power.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555758-you+call+this+power+2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555773-bad+choice+to+want+hellstroms+power+2+.jpg
That same instance his hell fire actually destroyed an imortal infernal demon.The elements even the very planet are his to command
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555779-daimon+commands+lightning.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555782-trident+commands+the+earth.jpgTraversing time and space are but a thought
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555780-time+travel.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555781-traverse+through+hell.jpgWhe he allows his full demon slef to take over the tears with his mystic talons (to which Superman will not be invulnerable having no protection from magic) the hides of demon hordes abart
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555806-hellstorm+v1+%239+-+page+18.jpgHe has stood up to the power of heaven itself
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555808-hellstorm+v1+%2310+-+page+17.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555809-hellstorm+v1+%2310+-+page+19.jpgYou compared Lobo's pathetic (by comparison ) regeneration to that of Daimon who can bring the dead back to life with a touch and heal instantly.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560634-healed+profeet+from+death.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560635-healing+touch.jpgHe can battle on the astral plane, in the mind or the soul
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560666-breaking+mind-stars+contact+with+other+worlds.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560667-controls+trident+by+mind.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560673-touching+and+hurting+gods.jpgHe can create duplicates, Superman could be fighting dozens of him.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560702-daimon_hellstrom_-_venom_vol_2_41.jpgFinally he creates force fields that can contain Dormammu and Black heart, yeah Superman should have no problem with them.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3586354-traps+dormammu.jpghttp://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3586353-sos%2Bvs%2Bblackheart%2B%284%29.jpg
If I want to omit context, a spell from Etrigan bound ****ing Spectre himself and he took on Sentinels of Magic on his own. But that took the wings of an angel and Morgaine had amped him against Sentinels.
I would really like the scans where Hellstrom channels this much power.
Cosmic Odyssey
Darkseid joins with Dr.Fate, Orion, Highfather, Etrigan they form the Cinque of Cosmic Power and they battle the Anti-Life Entity, which is actually the evil part of the Source. In the end they defeat it, but cutting it off form it’s own dimension by destroying the universe. So 1/5 of the power to destroy a universe was from Darkseid. Huge feat.
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_171.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_172.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_173.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_174.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_175.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_176.jpg
High end feats FTW!!!
The rest of your scans are parlor tricks. Superman beats those kind of magicians before breakfast.
Originally posted by riv6672
Stop your trolling.
You go first, and i'll cheer right up.🙂
Originally posted by riv6672
And, as to the topic, Superman cant handle magic. He's a total wuss in it's presence. He's been bitten by vampires. A trident to the chest and this fight is over.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Suuuuure.You're kidding, right? I'm no expert in marvel's mystic side but just a quick google search can tell me that you're full of it. The only scene worth in that post was the trapping of Dormammu from New Avengers 54 which was done by Strange, Voodoo and Hellstrom TOGETHER while Voodoo exorcised him from Earth. While in the Blackheart scene, the context is plainly stated in the scan. It wasn't Hellstrom's own power which did it.
If I want to omit context, a spell from Etrigan bound ****ing Spectre himself and he took on Sentinels of Magic on his own. But that took the wings of an angel and Morgaine had amped him against Sentinels.
I would really like the scans where Hellstrom channels this much power.
Cosmic Odyssey
Darkseid joins with Dr.Fate, Orion, Highfather, Etrigan they form the Cinque of Cosmic Power and they battle the Anti-Life Entity, which is actually the evil part of the Source. In the end they defeat it, but cutting it off form it’s own dimension by destroying the universe. So 1/5 of the power to destroy a universe was from Darkseid. Huge feat.1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_171.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_172.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_173.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_174.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_175.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_176.jpgHigh end feats FTW!!!
The rest of your scans are parlor tricks. Superman beats those kind of magicians before breakfast.
HA HA, THIS is what you call a comeback, pathetic. Even from you I expected more.
I also love the Hypocrisy of your last post. Since our talking about context please explain how the scans form the first battle between Agent Venom and Hellstrom (in which neither actually won) hlp Superman in the least. In that battle as i recall Daimon clearly told Flash that he would have been destroyed in an instant if he hadn't been branded by the power of Mephisto. Please show me anywhere where Superman has such protection ????? HMMMMM
In Avengers 54 Daimon put the shield around Dormammu (from which he could not escape) and the three worked together to exorcise him. Unless you can show me any feat of either Strange or Voodoo creating a shield out of hellfire (which is what it was formed from) then we're done on that one.
Hahah you talk about the Black heart scan as if it was an amp. It stated on panel it was the same power that EVERY native born sorcerer draws upon. The smallest known least powerful mystic from Marvel Earth draws the same power. This isn't an amp this is Hellstroms normal capability. This is the power he used to perform exorcisms back in the Silver Age prior to his demon heritage coming out. Back when he only had physical power that half a demon soul gave him (Strength of 100 men). back when he could only tap his hell/soulfire at night. He could still work basic magic of low order. Since the several upgrades that allow him his full demon soul however he adds the magic of hell to that (hence why he can outshine his brother in power)
Originally posted by beatboks"I expected MOAR from youuuuuuu"!!!
HA HA, THIS is what you call a comeback, pathetic. Even from you I expected more.
Seriously? That's beyond cliched at this point.
I also love the Hypocrisy of your last post. Since our talking about context please explain how the scans form the first battle between Agent Venom and Hellstrom (in which neither actually won) hlp Superman in the least. In that battle as i recall Daimon clearly told Flash that he would have been destroyed in an instant if he hadn't been branded by the power of Mephisto. Please show me anywhere where Superman has such protection ????? HMMMMMThe point of that scene was that Agent Venom can kick Hellstrom around. He then wins against Hellstrom and his demons too.
And Superman doesn't need protection from Hellstrom's puny attacks. His own durability is enough to tank any attack he can throw.
In Avengers 54 Daimon put the shield around Dormammu (from which he could not escape) and the three worked together to exorcise him. Unless you can show me any feat of either Strange or Voodoo creating a shield out of hellfire (which is what it was formed from) then we're done on that one.Oh, really?
Suffice to say I don't believe a single word you say at this point. Post the whole sequence if you have it.
Hahah you talk about the Black heart scan as if it was an amp. It stated on panel it was the same power that EVERY native born sorcerer draws upon. The smallest known least powerful mystic from Marvel Earth draws the same power. This isn't an amp this is Hellstroms normal capability.He has Fantastic Four's archetypal power and mechamage as a conduit here?
One on one, Blackheart made Hellstrom his *****.
This is the power he used to perform exorcisms back in the Silver Age prior to his demon heritage coming out. Back when he only had physical power that half a demon soul gave him (Strength of 100 men). back when he could only tap his hell/soulfire at night. He could still work basic magic of low order. Since the several upgrades that allow him his full demon soul however he adds the magic of hell to that (hence why he can outshine his brother in power)I don't believe you, when you've done nothing but lie here.
Originally posted by abhilegend
"I expected MOAR from youuuuuuu"!!!Seriously? That's beyond cliched at this point.
The point of that scene was that Agent Venom can kick Hellstrom around. He then wins against Hellstrom and his demons too.
And Superman doesn't need protection from Hellstrom's puny attacks. His own durability is enough to tank any attack he can throw.
Oh, really?
Suffice to say I don't believe a single word you say at this point. Post the whole sequence if you have it.
He has Fantastic Four's archetypal power and mechamage as a conduit here?
One on one, Blackheart made Hellstrom his *****.
I don't believe you, when you've done nothing but lie here.
One on one?? Your own evidence clearly shows with the help of Selene. As usual ignore whatever context you don't like or doesn't suit you and twist what you think you can to provide a point where none exists.
But I'm the one who's lied ??? You haven't even disputed the highest feats raised ( which don't include either Blackheart or Dormammu), in fact you tried to deflect away from them by stating those you thought you had a contextual twist favoring your argument were better feats ( when they're not). Ignore the feats of Hellstrom defeating Satan a hell lord who has soloed almost all the others in marvel.
As soon as you. An show Superman enduring high level magical attacks ( without outside protection like that of Phantom Stranger) you'll have an argument.
Originally posted by beatboksBlackheart had joined forces with Selene, he wasn't using her help to beat Hellstrom.
One on one?? Your own evidence clearly shows with the help of Selene. As usual ignore whatever context you don't like or doesn't suit you and twist what you think you can to provide a point where none exists.
But I'm the one who's lied ??? You haven't even disputed the highest feats raised ( which don't include either Blackheart or Dormammu), in fact you tried to deflect away from them by stating those you thought you had a contextual twist favoring your argument were better feats ( when they're not).Really? You haven't lied about Hellstrom trapping Dormammu?
Ignore the feats of Hellstrom defeating Satan a hell lord who has soloed almost all the others in marvel.What? Issue number please.
As soon as you. An show Superman enduring high level magical attacks ( without outside protection like that of Phantom Stranger) you'll have an argument.BANG.
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=55.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=56.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=57.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=58.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=59.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=60.jpg
That was Disciple who had the powers of several Elder Gods. Superman walked through that blast which tore several top tiers (j'onn, kyle, barda, zauriel, wonder woman) apart.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Blackheart had joined forces with Selene, he wasn't using her help to beat Hellstrom.Really? You haven't lied about Hellstrom trapping Dormammu? What? Issue number please.
BANG.
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=55.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=56.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=57.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=58.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=59.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=60.jpgThat was Disciple who had the powers of several Elder Gods. Superman walked through that blast which tore several top tiers (j'onn, kyle, barda, zauriel, wonder woman) apart.
Got other examples? Because there are others which go against your claim. Just so we can get an average view.
