Hellstrom vs Superman - so Abhi cant run and hide

Started by abhilegend5 pages

Originally posted by beatboks
[B]In the scans you yourself loaded. Daimon asks Strange to cover him. We see Strange protect Daimon with a shield ( one ONLY Strange created) while Voodoo attacks Dorm with his staff. then Damon erects the barrier around Dorms (unless you somehow think Strange could do that WHILE holding an effective Shield against Dormammu's attack??- REALLY).
Yes, I do think so. Because we never saw Hellstrom actually doing anything.
Yes "they" trapped him, Strange's part was defending Daimon while HE alone created the barrier to contain Dorms while Voodoo attacked him as diversion.
Nope.

Strange could withstand such an attack because Dormammu had to devide his efforts. he was fightinhg a whole team.
WTF? He attacked Strange head on.
Voodoo was also attacking remember?? also Voodoo didn't excorcise him himslef they "did it together" but of course that part of the action clearly stated in the scans you yourself loaded doesn't downplay the actions of Dormammu to downgrade the feat.
Its like you read what you want to read. Voodoo alone exorcised Dormammu.
Your the one a page or so ago who was bringing up context, when it suits you, you ignore it.
What did I ignore?

Come on man, I didn't think I'd need to show this to YOU!!!
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130955/3539752-1323881-ba_survives_supes_punch.jpg

Superman is the Ultimate boy scout. he'd never kill in character and holds back to make sure he doesn't. So he isn't going to come out all guns blazing because most beings would be killed instantly by his most powerful blows. He'll start off with blows designed to put down medium to high metas at best.

That's Black Adam. Superman doesn't pulls his punches against Demons.

http://i.imgur.com/d7bdObX.jpg

He may not go all out, but he doesn't holds back like he always does.

Daimon has fought the entire hordes of hell
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Hellstrom/noordinarywarriorvshordesofhell.jpg.html?sort=3&o=12
So? Superman has curbstomped people who have done so.

Your own low level scan from Venom shows his durability tanks bullets. Those types of blows aren't really going to put him down and since he can bring the dead back to life with just a touch and be healed in an instant from any injury (I might ad multiple times faster than Lobo Regenerates - your poor comparison) even less.
Haha, comparing bullets to Superman's punches? Why not show how he fares against top tier bricks? And Lobo has healed from a drop of blood. That shits on anything Hellstrom has done.
This is an ability he has without conscious thought BTW, because the first time he employed it ( to heal the Dead Profeet) he didn't even know he had the ability. He simply wanted him back alive and he was.
So? Mr. Immortal can do that too. Doesn't means he can't get knocked out. Getting back to life doesn't mean you can get scott free from all injuries.

Actually no, that scan said Arcane which while it can refer to magic doesn't mean it.
Now you're just beings stubborn.
it means secretive, known to few. Cosmic power could be referred to as Arcane and it's not magic either. besides which in the single panel you showed I don't see anything that refers to the character you referenced in the scans before.
Have you actually read the comic? Go read JLA: Primeval oneshot and come back.
Fact is for every scan you can show (and I can too) of Superman standing up to magic, I can show a lot more of him being vastly affected by it. hell even my mystics as low down the chain as Dr Occult who is more like a street level mystic.
Getting affected by Dr. Occult is no low feat. The symbol of seven is ****ing powerful.
There are plenty of examples of Supes doing OK against magic, there are actually more of the Pre COIE than after when his vulnerability to magic was even greater than it is post COIE. It's still a known vulnerability that Daimon will be able to take full advantage of.
Superman would break his face long before he can do that.

A bloodlusted Superman going all out from the get go using his power at his utmost would take Daimon down before he could bring magic to bare in a way that would grant him the win. Superman NOT going for the kill which in character he doesn't do ever wouldn't.
Superman doesn't need to kill Hellstrom. A simple KO would be suffice. Actually Superman might tap him on the head and KTFO him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I do think so. Because we never saw Hellstrom actually doing anything. Nope.

WTF? He attacked Strange head on. Its like you read what you want to read. Voodoo alone exorcised Dormammu. What did I ignore?


Maybe you should look a little closer. The bottom panel of the second scan [b]you
loaded for me on page 1. Hellstrom asks Strange to create a defense spell to "cover him". Strange asks what he is doing, but as he looks back he sees Daimon with his trident in the ground and a red ring circle forming on the ground behind him ( amazingly similar looking to the eventual force field that traps Dormammu) and says "OH". The battle continues and Dorm's attacks strange and true to what daimon asks he throws up a defense spell (which slows but doesn't stop Dormammu (we even see the energy seem to "shatter"😉. Next Dorm's is contained. By your logic we "never saw Strange or Voodoo create the force field either, so maybe no one did, Must have reated itself huh??? Not to mention the fact that the very force field that contains Dormammu has a pentagram in it. Strange has been shown many times completely unable to work dark magic being involved it it actually weakens him so that is even further proof that he could not have been a part of the containment. Voodoo could have because of the magic he practises but we actually to this point didn't see him as you put it "actually doing anything."

You also stated that Voodoo exorcised him alone when it clearly shows that after Voodoo states he'll exorcise him Daimon says "we'll do it together take a side". You take the statement made by Luke Cage etc as Gospel but dispute one that has evidence to support?


That's Black Adam. Superman doesn't pulls his punches against Demons.
http://i.imgur.com/d7bdObX.jpg
He may not go all out, but he doesn't holds back like he always does.

So here you admit that Superman always holds back. The scan offers nothing. When Superman is fighting someone he "knows" to be a demon he may not hold back, but how does he know that here. Daimon is in all outward appearances Human. Why would superman attack with any great force at all. he'd have no reason what so ever to know what level of damage Daimon can tank and no reason not to believe that using anything greater than his normal low starting attacks wouldn't kill him. If your going to provide all my arguments for me it makes this less of a challenge.


So? Superman has curbstomped people who have done so.
Who?? and did they actually outward appear to be beings of greater durability (no less)

[quote]
Haha, comparing bullets to Superman's punches? Why not show how he fares against top tier bricks? And Lobo has healed from a drop of blood. That shits on anything Hellstrom has done. So? Mr. Immortal can do that too. Doesn't means he can't get knocked out. Getting back to life doesn't mean you can get scott free from all injuries.


Bullets was just to say that his durability even at his lowest level could take initial blows from Superman. Add in healing (which he simply has) and he's golden.


Now you're just beings stubborn. Have you actually read the comic? Go read JLA: Primeval oneshot and come back.

If I'd read it would I have asked for Context ??? obviously I haven't. Why should i do your work for you ? in a debate it's your job to sell your argument not mine.

Getting affected by Dr. Occult is no low feat. The symbol of seven is ****ing powerful. Superman would break his face long before he can do that.

Yes, IT, but it's not as powerful as a weakened Dormmamu or Black heart. It's also not what he used to cause Superman pain. Supes was hurt by Occult taking him into time and showing him his past battle with Doomsday.

Superman doesn't need to kill Hellstrom. A simple KO would be suffice. Actually Superman might tap him on the head and KTFO him. [/B]

which he wont be able to do with types/levels of attacks he'd open with against an unknown element.

I thought Bada closed this...

Originally posted by -Pr-
I thought Bada closed this...

The House Of El is taking control of Superman related threads!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The House Of El is taking control of Superman related threads!

PR sold out Superman so he's kicked out the club!

As to the thread Superman breaks Hellstrom (if they are not fighting in his realm).

Hellstrom stab Supes in the neck yet? He should have by now. 🤨

Originally posted by -Pr-
I thought Bada closed this...

He did. I PM's an apology mentioning that the jibe to Abhi in my opening pos was meant only in fun, and he reopened. That wasn't the reason for my pm so if you want to close feel free. This has been fun and a good debate IMO from both of us, but really not much more to raise

Originally posted by zopzop
PR sold out Superman so he's kicked out the club!

As to the thread Superman breaks Hellstrom (if they are not fighting in his realm).

League of Losers mvp? 😆

Hey, he did stop the cosmic equivalent of the Bene Geserrit. They were the real big bads in War of Kings, manipulating everyone from the background.

Originally posted by cdtm
League of Losers mvp? 😆

Hey, he did stop the cosmic equivalent of the Bene Geserrit. They were the real big bads in War of Kings, manipulating everyone from the background.


Hey I love Darkhawk but in an alt reality/future(?) he was the leader of a team unofficially titled "The League of Losers".

Originally posted by zopzop
PR sold out Superman so he's kicked out the club!

I'm glad you've noticed his betrayal!

He has been brazen for several moths in his heresy against The House of El!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The House of El is watching, Beatboks.

You have been warned!

BAHHH what have i to fear from the house of El. I have a hell Lord watching my back. Trumps all the house 😄

In case you hadn't guessed, magic characters (powerhouse wise)are my preference ( hence why my favs at DC are Alan Scot, Dr fate, Arion, Occult, etc and Marvel Hellstrom, Strange, Thor, Black Knight, Shaman). I'll take magic and it's versatility over brute strength any day of the week.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The House Of El is taking control of Superman related threads!

Warned.

Originally posted by zopzop
PR sold out Superman so he's kicked out the club!

As to the thread Superman breaks Hellstrom (if they are not fighting in his realm).

Warned.

Originally posted by beatboks
He did. I PM's an apology mentioning that the jibe to Abhi in my opening pos was meant only in fun, and he reopened. That wasn't the reason for my pm so if you want to close feel free. This has been fun and a good debate IMO from both of us, but really not much more to raise

Oh, all right.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I'm glad you've noticed his betrayal!

He has been brazen for several moths in his heresy against The House of El!

Oh, it's you again. Banning, I think.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Warned.

Oh, it's you again. Banning, I think.

House of El, I warned you that this time may come.

AVENGE ME!

ACTIVATE OPERATION:BIRTHRIGHT!

*Operation Birthright = Create a sock account 😆

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
*Operation Birthright = Create a sock account 😆

FOOL!

NEVER discuss House Of El business outside the family again!

😠

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
FOOL!

NEVER discuss House Of El business outside the family again!

😠

Is just to misdirect the enemy 🤣

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
House of El, I warned you that this time may come.

AVENGE ME!

ACTIVATE OPERATION:BIRTHRIGHT!

I see that you're off your meds again.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
*Operation Birthright = Create a sock account 😆

😂

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
FOOL!

NEVER discuss House Of El business outside the family again!

😠

😂

Originally posted by beatboks
Maybe you should look a little closer.
I did. You're wrng, get over it.
The bottom panel of the second scan [b]you loaded for me on page 1. Hellstrom asks Strange to create a defense spell to "cover him". Strange asks what he is doing, but as he looks back he sees Daimon with his trident in the ground and a red ring circle forming on the ground behind him ( amazingly similar looking to the eventual force field that traps Dormammu) and says "OH". The battle continues and Dorm's attacks strange and true to what daimon asks he throws up a defense spell (which slows but doesn't stop Dormammu (we even see the energy seem to "shatter"😉. Next Dorm's is contained. By your logic we "never saw Strange or Voodoo create the force field either, so maybe no one did, Must have reated itself huh??? Not to mention the fact that the very force field that contains Dormammu has a pentagram in it. Strange has been shown many times completely unable to work dark magic being involved it it actually weakens him so that is even further proof that he could not have been a part of the containment. Voodoo could have because of the magic he practises but we actually to this point didn't see him as you put it "actually doing anything."[quote] Thanks for the synopsis old man. No worries though, you're still wrong.

[quote]You also stated that Voodoo exorcised him alone when it clearly shows that after Voodoo states he'll exorcise him Daimon says "we'll do it together take a side". You take the statement made by Luke Cage etc as Gospel but dispute one that has evidence to support?

Voodoo was the one enchanting. Hellstrom didn't do anything.

So here you admit that Superman always holds back.
Are you dyslexic or what? I said he doesn't pulls his punches against demons.
The scan offers nothing. When Superman is fighting someone he "knows" to be a demon he may not hold back, but how does he know that here.
General knowledge rule. Read it.
Daimon is in all outward appearances Human. Why would superman attack with any great force at all. he'd have no reason what so ever to know what level of damage Daimon can tank and no reason not to believe that using anything greater than his normal low starting attacks wouldn't kill him. If your going to provide all my arguments for me it makes this less of a challenge.
First read the rules. Then come talk.

Bullets was just to say that his durability even at his lowest level could take initial blows from Superman. Add in healing (which he simply has) and he's golden.
Nope.

If I'd read it would I have asked for Context ??? obviously I haven't. Why should i do your work for you ? in a debate it's your job to sell your argument not mine.
That's not how it works.

Yes, IT, but it's not as powerful as a weakened Dormmamu or Black heart. It's also not what he used to cause Superman pain. Supes was hurt by Occult taking him into time and showing him his past battle with Doomsday.
That was because Superman was reliving all his pain from the battle with Doomsday, not because of Occult.

which he wont be able to do with types/levels of attacks he'd open with against an unknown element. [/B]
He knows Hellstrom is a demon by forum rules. And then oneshots him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I did. You're wrng, get over it. Voodoo was the one enchanting. Hellstrom didn't do anything.

Are you dyslexic or what? I said he doesn't pulls his punches against demons. General knowledge rule. Read it. First read the rules. Then come talk.

Nope.

That's not how it works.

That was because Superman was reliving all his pain from the battle with Doomsday, not because of Occult.

He knows Hellstrom is a demon by forum rules. And then oneshots him.


You foolishly posted the scans yourself for all to see that what I've said is "wor for word" exactly what happened.

Daimon has never required an incantation to exorcize a spirit his hell born powers give him power over souls and the damned. He was pointing his trident at Dormamu which is how he exorcizes

The general knowledge rule supports what I'm saying which is why I said it. Hellstrom isn't widely known In MU and his abilities and the level of them certainly isn't. Most don't even believe him to be demonic. A fact supported by your own scans ( poor move again) with Venom saying maybe he really is the son of Satan. Based on the general knowledge that anyone would have of Daimon in MU Superman would expect someone of much lower durability than he has and believe him to be human. He's been attacked by thugs and bikers who soon learned their mistake.

By the forum rules he knows what is general knowledge of Hellstrom which means he wouldnt know his full nature or level of his powers as only a few people in MU actually do ( like only a few know Supes is Clark Kent - which is stated in the rules to not be known). It also means he would know Daimon is a hero and even less likely to go in hard . Completely failed argument.

Originally posted by beatboks
You foolishly posted the scans yourself for all to see that what I've said is "wor for word" exactly what happened.
Nope.

Daimon has never required an incantation to exorcize a spirit his hell born powers give him power over souls and the damned. He was pointing his trident at Dormamu which is how he exorcizes
You entirely made up that.

The general knowledge rule supports what I'm saying which is why I said it. Hellstrom isn't widely known In MU and his abilities and the level of them certainly isn't. Most don't even believe him to be demonic. A fact supported by your own scans ( poor move again) with Venom saying maybe he really is the son of Satan.
Its not what general people believe. Its the basic knowledge of the character.
Based on the general knowledge that anyone would have of Daimon in MU Superman would expect someone of much lower durability than he has and believe him to be human. He's been attacked by thugs and bikers who soon learned their mistake.
You are giving whatever advantages you can give to give Hellstrom win here. That's not how forums works, better yet just say Superman stands there and let Hellstrom beat him.

By the forum rules he knows what is general knowledge of Hellstrom which means he wouldnt know his full nature or level of his powers as only a few people in MU actually do ( like only a few know Supes is Clark Kent - which is stated in the rules to not be known). It also means he would know Daimon is a hero and even less likely to go in hard . Completely failed argument.
Oh shut up. Why don't you give Superman a lobotomy while you're at it?