Originally posted by riv6672
Ha, took me forever to figure out the joke here. I was making breakfast for my native american wife and three half native american kids while posting from my laptop with a wallpaper of Alex Ross' tv heroes prominently featuring 50s Superman, who's one of my favorite characters.http://www.scificool.com/alex-rosss-age-of-tv-heroes-artwork/
If you cant debate me and would rather slur me, go ahead. All i'll do is be amused by it, considering i'm not even that good at debating.
You on the other hand are supposed to be a master debater. Or something along those lines. 😂
Lol. I'm staying out of this fight - and only jumping in where I want some clarification. As I do so, I'm trying to not have people's passions rise too quickly.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course I do. That was just one example.
Lets see...
Survived Silver Bamshee's magic scream. It's supposed to kill, and there's proof of this, but it only knocked him out.
Tanked attacks from Blaze, multiple times.
Tanked Captain Marvels lightning, and the Wizards.
Failed to be KOed from Captain Marvels initial magically charged sucker punch.
In Time and Time Again, Superman asked Spectre if he could bounce him back from World War 2 era to the present, and Spectre claimed he couldn't, because there was something within him that RESISTED HIS POWER.
Resisted Eclipso's influence while holding a black diamond.
For starters.
Originally posted by cdtm
What, me? Or the story's reason he was able to do it when Darkseid, Quintessance, and Spectre couldn't? ^_^Well, the way people are tossing around cheese feats like Hype pushing around two universes, I figure turn abouts fair play.
Fair play? Dude, Superman is the comicbook world living personification of a cheese feat. But the biggest cheese feat of all time is how he has managed to indoctrinate his fans into structure of his mythos. No longer is he subject to the reality of his universe, or even the writers from the universe that created his universe. The universe existed within him. The fanboys broke his 4th wall. 😆
@Abhi first let me apologise if you in anyway talk my initial job seriously it certainly wasn't intended that way. It's the knocker/tall poppy syndrome jocularity of all Aussies in me. We Jibe and knock our mates all the time in fun. I honestly thought you had taken it that way based on your comment on the other thread about on a ring my courage for making the thread. We've debated enough and I enjoy butting heads with you and thought you saw it the same way
Now to my reply
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not to beat Hellstrom, that's for sure.Yes, you have. That was a team effort.
"They have trapped him."
Yeah, right. If only Hellstrom has help from Dr. Strange and Voodoo to get a shield up in this fight.
Haha, seriously? He called Zauriel's "divine" blade attack merely ticklish before casually extinguishing it. It was a magical attack of Elder Gods. Your desperation is laughable.
Haha, like you do anything but lie and lie some more. Shut the **** up, please. You are outright denying Elder Gods' being magical FFS.
Whatever you think
No I did not lie I said which is still correct that Damon created the forcefield that contain Dormammu which he did the fact that strange protected him while he created does not change the fact I never said that Damon a lone trapped him only that his forcefield contained him.
He doesn't need the help of strange because Superman doesn't have a tax on the level of weakened Dormammu. Dorms is actually capable of presenting attacks that's threatens hell Lord like Hellstrom. Supermen to do such damage would have to be out of character and bloodlust it was only the Blitz for pinstripe with his utmost force in the opening salvo. The usual argument given for superman beating a magical based character is that he attacks with great speed and great force and takes them out before they can cast a spell. This type of attack simply won't win within the parameters in normally operates in against the character he doesn't know. I'm sure I don't need to show you the scans of infighting being a and stating/ thinking .he normally holds back. Hellstrom has fallen from the stratosphere to do and not been harmed that's equivalent to 140 Ton blow. Man will not strike with greater power than that in an opening attack against an unknown.
Is Damon as strong as Superman no nowhere near it is he as durable no with healing factor close. But unlike most mystics he can certainly take some damage without relying on spells and when pulls up a force field that can hold Dormammu he's going to protect yourself from the worst Superman can do.
Why would I assume an elder god means it has to be magic Chronos and the Titans in Wonder woman weren't magic a good portion of the Greek pantheon is not the new gods aren't Xhal is not Rao is not why on earth would I have Tweeden worry about denying that when no evidence is presented to say the character who are using is using magic.
Originally posted by beatboksOk.
@Abhi first let me apologise if you in anyway talk my initial job seriously it certainly wasn't intended that way. It's the knocker/tall poppy syndrome jocularity of all Aussies in me. We Jibe and knock our mates all the time in fun. I honestly thought you had taken it that way based on your comment on the other thread about on a ring my courage for making the thread. We've debated enough and I enjoy butting heads with you and thought you saw it the same way
Now to my replyIt didn't. It was on panel stated to be created by all three of them.Whatever you think
No I did not lie I said which is still correct that Damon created the forcefield that contain Dormammu which he did the fact that strange protected him while he created does not change the fact I never said that Damon a lone trapped him only that his forcefield contained him.
He doesn't need the help of strange because Superman doesn't have a tax on the level of weakened Dormammu.Dormammu was on the level where a weakened Dr. Strange easily withstood his attacks and a novice Voodoo casually exorcised him. So I don't think so.
Dorms is actually capable of presenting attacks that's threatens hell Lord like Hellstrom.Superman has actually beaten Blaze inside her own realm when she was actually beating Shazam inside the Rock of Eternity at that time. So don't give me that BS.
Supermen to do such damage would have to be out of character and bloodlust it was only the Blitz for pinstripe with his utmost force in the opening salvo.Not really.
The usual argument given for superman beating a magical based character is that he attacks with great speed and great force and takes them out before they can cast a spell.That would be the case on comicvine maybe. Here that doesn't work. Superman isn't a porcelain piece against magic.
This type of attack simply won't win within the parameters in normally operates in against the character he doesn't know. I'm sure I don't need to show you the scans of infighting being a and stating/ thinking .he normally holds back. Hellstrom has fallen from the stratosphere to do and not been harmed that's equivalent to 140 Ton blow. Man will not strike with greater power than that in an opening attack against an unknown.Even a casual blow from Superman packs more power than that.
Is Damon as strong as Superman no nowhere near it is he as durable no with healing factor close. But unlike most mystics he can certainly take some damage without relying on spells and when pulls up a force field that can hold Dormammu he's going to protect yourself from the worst Superman can do.Want to see how powerful a punch from Superman can be?
Why would I assume an elder god means it has to be magic Chronos and the Titans in Wonder woman weren't magic a good portion of the Greek pantheon is not the new gods aren't Xhal is not Rao is not why on earth would I have Tweeden worry about denying that when no evidence is presented to say the character who are using is using magic.Because Disciple explicitly used old magic to summon the elder gods, extinguish Zauriel's "divine flaming sword" and such. he was definitely magical. But if you want on panel evidence, here is wonder woman describing his power.
Satisfied?
Originally posted by abhilegendIt didn't. It was on panel stated to be created by all three of them.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Dormammu was on the level where a weakened Dr. Strange easily withstood his attacks and a novice Voodoo casually exorcised him. So I don't think so. Superman has actually beaten Blaze inside her own realm when she was actually beating Shazam inside the Rock of Eternity at that time. So don't give me that BS. Not really. That would be the case on comicvine maybe. Here that doesn't work. Superman isn't a porcelain piece against magic. Even a casual blow from Superman packs more power than that.
Strange could withstand such an attack because Dormammu had to devide his efforts. he was fightinhg a whole team. Voodoo was also attacking remember?? also Voodoo didn't excorcise him himslef they "did it together" but of course that part of the action clearly stated in the scans you yourself loaded doesn't downplay the actions of Dormammu to downgrade the feat. Your the one a page or so ago who was bringing up context, when it suits you, you ignore it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Want to see how powerful a punch from Superman can be?
Superman is the Ultimate boy scout. he'd never kill in character and holds back to make sure he doesn't. So he isn't going to come out all guns blazing because most beings would be killed instantly by his most powerful blows. He'll start off with blows designed to put down medium to high metas at best.
Daimon has fought the entire hordes of hell
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Hellstrom/noordinarywarriorvshordesofhell.jpg.html?sort=3&o=12
Your own low level scan from Venom shows his durability tanks bullets. Those types of blows aren't really going to put him down and since he can bring the dead back to life with just a touch and be healed in an instant from any injury (I might ad multiple times faster than Lobo Regenerates - your poor comparison) even less. This is an ability he has without conscious thought BTW, because the first time he employed it ( to heal the Dead Profeet) he didn't even know he had the ability. He simply wanted him back alive and he was.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Disciple explicitly used old magic to summon the elder gods, extinguish Zauriel's "divine flaming sword" and such. he was definitely magical. But if you want on panel evidence, here is wonder woman describing his power.Satisfied?
Fact is for every scan you can show (and I can too) of Superman standing up to magic, I can show a lot more of him being vastly affected by it. hell even my mystics as low down the chain as Dr Occult who is more like a street level mystic. There are plenty of examples of Supes doing OK against magic, there are actually more of the Pre COIE than after when his vulnerability to magic was even greater than it is post COIE. It's still a known vulnerability that Daimon will be able to take full advantage of.
A bloodlusted Superman going all out from the get go using his power at his utmost would take Daimon down before he could bring magic to bare in a way that would grant him the win. Superman NOT going for the kill which in character he doesn't do ever wouldn't.
For those who mentioned taking the trident from Daimon, he is psionically linked to it and has used it from a far. He won't in that situation be using it as a pig sticker, because Unlike Thor he doesn't control it's movement) but he could have it generate a magical attack against the one holing it. When he fought Mindstar it was TK removed from him but he still wielded it's power against MS. Pretty sure I already posted the scan of that. Also I've never seen Daimon in character use the trident in a trident's conventional sense. Him doing so is about as likely as Superman starting out with a 1000000000 tone strike blow.
