My point is, the instances you're using to justify Erik manipulating the ring are rather plot-devicey. If it was as easy as pulling the ring off magnetically, it would have happened more than once. They've faced guys who easily have the power to magnetically float a piece of jewelry off of a finger. The rings have the power to overcome singularities (the pressure of black holes). That's more power than Erik could dream of exerting.
While the gravity of a black hole might be more pull than Magneto can generate, the black hole isn't focusing magnetism on one specific point with precision and just trying to pull the ring off of the bearer's finger, it's trying the pull the entire mass into a gravity well. That's not exactly analogous. And while they've faced guys capable of doing that, have those characters been depicted as attempting the act and failing? Because I've seen Batman just outright pull a ring off a Lantern's finger like a pick pocket, and he's no black hole either.
And my point is, if you have to bring up Batman pulling the ring off of his finger with any hint of seriousness, it's not looking good for Magneto. I wish Val still posted. He has scans showing that even after having his ring finger cut off (and ostensibly, his connection to the ring), even a random Lantern wasn't able to have the ring removed from his finger.
I know Lanterns can remote control their rings (Sinestro himself overpowered Mongul's ring remotely), that's not my point. My point is Magneto has an avenue of attack to get to Sinestro and disrupt his abilities (ring removal and disrupting mental link to ring via EMP/synapse disruption), but that's contingent on Sinestro not entering the battlefield shielded. If Sinestro's shielded at go I think it's an uphill battle for Magneto, and a loss.
Odd, because at other times rings are able to be taken off (voluntarily and involuntarily).
However, in my research I just came across a scene where Guy Gardner (when he was Warrior) loses control of his powers in his bar and explodes and John Stewart's ring auto-shields him from the blast [Rebirth #1, pg. 19], so that strengthens the position of auto shielding nullifying Magneto's first volley, so Sinestro likely wins (since there's other instances of Rings providing involuntary reactive protection as well).
Originally posted by abhilegend
Also even Kyle has smacked Polaris into unconsciousness pretty early. Nothing to suggest Sinestro wouldn't do that to Magneto since he doesn't uses shields in character.
Originally posted by Existere
Sure he does.
Okay, i've got a question.
In different threads i've seen/been told two different things.
To paraphrase:
"X wouldnt do that in character, so it doesnt count. Thats not how we debate here."
"Well obviously X would be going all out (IE not in character), thats the way we debate here."
So, is it whatever's convenient to make one's argument? I've rad the forum rules, and while i put out whatever argument i think is right regardless, i like to know which counter argument to take semi seriously.
Originally posted by batdude123
My point is, the instances you're using to justify Erik manipulating the ring are rather plot-devicey. If it was as easy as pulling the ring off magnetically, it would have happened more than once. They've faced guys who easily have the power to magnetically float a piece of jewelry off of a finger. The rings have the power to overcome singularities (the pressure of black holes). That's more power than Erik could dream of exerting.
dude! 😱 don't ever leave me for so long again. sneer
magneto uses shields constantly in battle and very powerful ones at that along with control over the entire magnetic spectrum, not only are they in nyc giving mags about 10 bagillion tons of steel to play with and break sinestro, he might not ever reach mags, he doesnt need to remove his ring ot beat him does sinestro have feats of lifting a city off of him? or feats showing his constructs can stop buildings and cars from crushing him? mags ends up crushing the guy while sinestro cant get to mags gg
Originally posted by riv6672
Okay, i've got a question.In different threads i've seen/been told two different things.
To paraphrase:
"X wouldnt do that in character, so it doesnt count. Thats not how we debate here.""Well obviously X would be going all out (IE not in character), thats the way we debate here."
So, is it whatever's convenient to make one's argument? I've rad the forum rules, and while i put out whatever argument i think is right regardless, i like to know which counter argument to take semi seriously.
It's both.
Confusing, I know....a good way to explain it, I feel, is to use examples.
Flash vs Rhino.
Ding, the bell goes.
Does Flash IMMEDIATELY IMP, speedsteal, or use any of his Flash tricks, even though he never does it 'in character'? No. He will be fast, and he will punch.
Meanwhile, Rhino will also try punching. He's tagged Spidey before, he COULD hit Flash.
Flash gets cocky, gets tagged.
Rhino, however, doesn't kill either. And we've seen Flash get tagged by strong punches before. So he doesn't get KOed. BUT, he can see his punches weren't working, and he knows Rhino is a tough hombre who COULD beat him.
Flash changes tactics.
Rhino can see that his punches had no effect (Flash is rocked, but still standing). What does he do? The same, really. Even if you subscribe to the idea he is just a brick, he still does not have the tactical nous to change the battlefield (maybe use civilians, or move it to a closed alleyway etc).
Flash then stomps Rhino. Maybe by punching, or by using his Flash tricks. Because with speed (and intelligence, with characters like Batman or Reed) how long do you think it will take before the character goes, actually, punching does not work, better dip into my bag of tricks and see what else I can do?
So in answer to your question, Flash and Rhino, in character, would not use their full abilities. But once the going gets tough, they will. It just so happens certain characters have more to utilise, or can reach this conclusion quicker. If Batman fought the Joker, he prob wouldn't use every tactic at his disposal. Against General Eiling, however? Batgrenades.
that is EXACTLY what happens. best bet is to just go by their average method of attack. outliers can always be applied if necessary to extreme opponents, but in general, they really DO fight like they fight MOST of the time in a comic book. if someone is arguing something different, just grin and bear it. or use ignore. it's a GREAT help. 🙂
Originally posted by riv6672I think the goal is just to be as fair to each character as possible. You should expect characters in a forum fight to be as competent and powerful as they would be on a good day in the comics, no more or less, and without the limits of plot and character popularity.
Okay, i've got a question.In different threads i've seen/been told two different things.
To paraphrase:
"X wouldnt do that in character, so it doesnt count. Thats not how we debate here.""Well obviously X would be going all out (IE not in character), thats the way we debate here."
So, is it whatever's convenient to make one's argument? I've rad the forum rules, and while i put out whatever argument i think is right regardless, i like to know which counter argument to take semi seriously.