Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
Q, please tell me the reason you made this thread wasn't just so you could talk about how great you think Wyyrlock is?
Actually, so I could talk about many great sith sorcerers, and discussion on what makes them great.
I go Vitiate and Muur at the top because of Vitiate's ability to overwhelm the minds of even groups of Sith, and of Muur's planetary, perhaps even galactic threat.
Nox's force ghost control is on a lesser level, but a very powerful ability, likely the strongest individual-combat sorcerer as that ability provides both offense and defense.
Behind that, there's Zannah and the like, who's abilities are a tremendous threat to any force wielder, but not at flexible as Nox's.
Originally posted by Q99
What, *Hord* as 3rd? Let's see what Wikipedia says of his sorcery- "May know the secrets of immortality."
Originally posted by Q99
No combat sorcery mentioned at all. So, certainly less than Andeddu, let alone, well, most of the others you put below him. Powerful, sure, but his big feats aren't sorcery ones.
Three hundred years after Tulak Hord, the Sith Ergast tried to recreate the ritual the Dark Lord used to devour the spirits of his enemies at Yn and Chabosh.
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Lord of Hate, conqueror of the planets Yn and Chabosh, and master of Sith Sorcery, Tulak Hord was buried within his tomb along with his secret teachings.
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Zash graces her apprentice with power and sets the Sith Inquisitor on a new mission: the recovery of artifacts once belonging to the ancient Sith Tulak Hord, With these artifacts, Darth Zash will complete a ritual to bestow considerable power on Zash and her apprentice.
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Incidents of Sith Lords imbuing their most precious possessions with some fragment of their dark power appear throughout Sith history. Such ritual imbuement can be used to inflict all manner of trouble on those who would steal these terrible treasures. The Dark Lord of the Sith Tulak Hord was especially known for this practice, and many possessions of Tulak Hord's have driven their discoverers to madness throughout the years. Tulak's Madness is unique in who it affects, however; ignoring whether a person’s spirit is dark or light, it afflicts only the weak-willed, driving them to delusions of grandeur and eventual self-destruction.
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In the battles of Yn and Chabosh, Tulak Hord is believed to have used a ritual to draw the strength of his enemies to himself, growing his power and vitality. One ritual of Tulak Hord's gets only a scant mention in the histories, but is the subject of myth and legend–a ritual rumored to grant eternal life. No one has ever managed to uncover this mythical ritual, let alone perform it.
Tulak Hord have great command of sorcery.
Originally posted by Q99
Thanaton above Zannah and Sadow and Wyyrlok? Pssh, such era bias.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Thanaton defeated a powerful opponent with a single attack from one of his sorcery oriented techniques. This is better performance then that of Zannah, Sadow and Wyyrlok III in combat situations with their sorcery oriented techniques.
Originally posted by Q99
Nox before he was at full power wasn't as formidable as the foes as Zannah and Wyyrlok fought, though.Memory Walk would destroy most opponents pretty easily, but it's so strong Zannah and Wyyr hardly feel the need to pull it out most of the time.
I don't recall Bane and Andeddu being boosted by power of a Force ghost before confronting their opponents, still lost.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Prior to first confrontation with Thanaton, Nox was already a powerful Force-user, approached advanced understanding of dark sorcery (mastered Force-walking ritual), and had augmented his power by binding a Force ghost to himself.
Sure, but 'reasonably powerful force user who an advanced understanding of dark sorcery' could be used to describe Darth Maladi too, just with memory walk instead of force-walk. No-one's putting her at the top of their lists.
One force ghost didn't put her all that far up in power. It's only when she had a posse that Nox became very powerful.
I don't recall Bane and Andeddu being boosted by power of a Force ghost before confronting their opponents, still lost.
Bane had no sorcery whatsoever, he was just insanely powerful. He didn't *need* a force ghost.
And Andeddu was so powerful no lone sith was willing to confront him *at all* because none could stop his sorcery and knew it.