Originally posted by Insane Titan
Bob wanted him to kill him , but it's not that straight forward as Thor ended up killing the Void who didn't want to die and was attacking the heroes. Plus Bob/Voids durability wasn't lowered.
Sentry's powers fluctuate depending on his mental state. Bob was extremely unstable throught SIEGE except in the parts where the Void took over completely.
Bob's internal conflict did in fact weaken the Void long enough for Thor to "Kill" him.
Re: SIEGE and Void Sentry VS KMC
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
KMC, give the definitive answers on these 2 questions involving Void Sentry and SIEGE.1. Did Bob allow Thor to kill him during SIEGE?
I believe it was several things involved
Void was already in bad shape when He allowed Thor to kill him.
The helli carrier force was so much that it turn him back into BOb this plus the battle already sustained with Thor took a toll on the Void's body that battle damaged plus Bob allowing Thor to kill him that is what allowed Thor to kill the Void.
Bear in mind that the writer gave the feat to THOR because Thor was apparently the only hero capable of doing such a thing among the other characters around (many of whom were mid tiers lacking the power of actually facing the Void by themselves) The writer simply did not gave the feat to Spiderman, because Spiderman will lack the power to kill even a willing to die Bob
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
2. Was it brute strength or matter manipulation that allowed Voidtry to rip Ares in half?
To me it was displayed more as a physical strength feat
Um yeah who is arguing that, I am saying that also the hellicarrier and his previous battle with Thor were also factor.
Otherwise why to put those elements on the story?
I mean why to have the helli carrier to create an explosion so big that it turns the void back into Bob?
Oh just because looks cool I guess? 🙂
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElHis Bob persona came out. This allowed him to feel the guilt which allowed Thor to kill him since the Bob persona allowed it.
Um yeah who is arguing that, I am saying that also the hellicarrier and his previous battle with Thor were also factor.Otherwise why to put those elements on the story?
I mean why to have the helli carrier to create an explosion so big that it turns the void back into Bob?
Oh just because looks cool I guess? 🙂
When he isn't mentally weak/guilty he can't be killed by Thor. We have seen him survive total annihilation before.
Writer confirmed this.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElHis previous fight with Thor showed Thor can't even beat him with a team and an amp. Sentry brought down Asgard and ended his brother.
@BBREMThat and his whole previous fight with Thor
If the Sentry doesn't want to go away he doesn't go away here.
Only a few have the power to kill unkillables.
Originally posted by quanchi112
His Bob persona came out. This allowed him to feel the guilt which allowed Thor to kill him since the Bob persona allowed it.
You are just repeating yourself on a point that YOU AND I AGREE ON
Originally posted by quanchi112
When he isn't mentally weak/guilty he can't be killed by Thor. We have seen him survive total annihilation before.Writer confirmed this.
That is called no limits fallacy and it contradicts panel showing
On panel showing a battle damaged Void (because of his previous fight with Thor) was turned back into Bob with a enough force caused by the helli carrier.
Weather you like it or not, it is on Siege 4
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElNo, it isn't. He has limits just not anything Thor can bring to the table. The writer confirmed this.
You are just repeating yourself on a point that YOU AND I AGREE ONThat is called no limits fallacy and it contradicts panel showing
On panel showing a battle damaged Void (because of his previous fight with Thor) was turned back into Bob with a enough force caused by the helli carrier.
Weather you like it or not, it is on Siege 4
It showed his guilt emerged thus demanding he be killed and forcing Thor to do so.
He can reform when he isn't weighed down by guilt and doesn't want to come back. Proven on panel and confirmed by the writer.
🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't. He has limits just not anything Thor can bring to the table. The writer confirmed this.
Let me put it this way. If you want me to kill you with my bare hands I can kill you because I have the power to kill you, If you want a baby to kill you with his bare hands He can't
You allowing me to kill you will make things much more easier, but that does not meant that I can only kill you because you allowed me to kill you.
Thor performed the feat because He has the power to do it
Originally posted by quanchi112
It showed his guilt emerged thus demanding he be killed and forcing Thor to do so.
It also showed that with enough he can revert back into Bob
Originally posted by quanchi112
He can reform when he isn't weighed down by guilt and doesn't want to come back. Proven on panel and confirmed by the writer.🙂
Again trying to sneak a no limits fallacy, Thor killed him because he can and has the power to kill him plain and simple, if he did not have the power to kill him it does not matter how much Bob wanted to die, he would just not die. So thor has the power to kill him, Something Thor succeded even though Bob tried to kill himself before 🙂
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElHorrible analogy. Sentry can control and alter his molecules. Most people can't return back to life when their body is destroyed. Thor has the power to hurt Sentry's body but the Sentry can reform at will. The only reason he didn't is because he chose to stay dead. The writer confirmed this.
Let me put it this way. If you want me to kill you with my bare hands I can kill you because I have the power to kill you, If you want a baby to kill you with his bare hands He can'tYou allowing me to kill you will make things much more easier, but that does not meant that I can only kill you because you allowed me to kill you.
Thor performed the feat because He has the power to do it
It also showed that with enough he can revert back into Bob
Again trying to sneak a no limits fallacy, Thor killed him because he can and has the power to kill him plain and simple, if he did not have the power to kill him it does not matter how much Bob wanted to die, he would just not die. So thor has the power to kill him, Something Thor succeded even though Bob tried to kill himself before 🙂
False. We have seen greater power destroy his body completely and he didn't revert back. With the right set of circumstances Bob can reemerge. He just killed his friend Ares and brought down Asgard. His wife was killed. He was going through a lot. Quit saying Helicarrier and discounting the emotional aspect which is where guilt comes from.
Thor has the power to damage his power he doesn't have the power to prevent him from reforming. The writer confirmed this. I'm a superb debater.
Originally posted by bbrem123It was a culmination of the emotional turmoil he had been dealing with.
I dont know if I buy that battle damage theory. He was damage far more by molecule man and was still at his prime at the end of the fight.
Death of his wife, killed his friend Ares, bringing down Asgard, fighting former allies. Power had nothing to do with it IMO. As we both know he has been completely destroyed to come back to overpower the Molecule Man at his own game.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Guys, we have on panel confirmation Sentry didnt died in end of Siege. He was reforming himself from a atom in sun. This discussions is pointless...
The discussion isn't pointless at all.
Why didn't Bob reform while in Thor's arms when he had enough opportunity to heal from the damage?
We are dealing with the events in the context of the story not Remender's additions to the past events.
Because he dont wanted to reform in that time. He was able to get control over Void personality for that moment.
The others time he tried to kill himself, the void personality dont let him do that.
After he was in Sun, the void personality comeback and again tryed to reform him - while other part of him dont wanted that.