Originally posted by Insane Titan
Bob wanted him to kill him , but it's not that straight forward as Thor ended up killing the Void who didn't want to die and was attacking the heroes. Plus Bob/Voids durability wasn't lowered.It wasn't pure strength due to the energy/molecule powers Sentry had shown
Really? So just because he had the power, you know that he used it? Sorry, but I see not evidence if that based on the scenseee.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Horrible analogy.
Actually is the perfect analogy, you just don't like it because it destroys your weak case.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry can control and alter his molecules.
Since you like to quote so much writers interviews, should I bring the interview where it says that Sentry does not has molecular manipulation, that He thinks he does because he is mentally unstable,.
OR are you going to pick and choose what you like and what you don't the way you always do?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Most people can't return back to life when their body is destroyed.
😂 are you serious? in comics people can't come back from the dead regardless of only getting a bullet on the brain or being destroyed completely in comics it can happen, haven't you read a comic book?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor has the power to hurt Sentry's body but the Sentry can reform at will. The only reason he didn't is because he chose to stay dead. The writer confirmed this.
Picking and choosing what the writer says to best fit your argument?
Thor has the power to hurt and Kill Sentry this is the reason why the feat was given to him and not to Captain America. Sentry or Bob tried to kill himself before with out success, even if he wanted to stay dead, it was not until Thor killed him that He stayed dead.
Originally posted by quanchi112
False. We have seen greater power destroy his body completely and he didn't revert back. With the right set of circumstances Bob can reemerge. He just killed his friend Ares and brought down Asgard. His wife was killed. He was going through a lot.
Might be because like I said before, He was getting taxed by his battle/battles after all Sentry does not run on a no limits fallacy world, wasn't he flash KO for a while by Thor in the same arc?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit saying Helicarrier and discounting the emotional aspect which is where guilt comes from.
Yes the helicarrier did it's part and I thought We both agree that his mental state actually DID play part on his demise. Unless you did not understand this part and you want me to guide you though it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor has the power to damage his power he doesn't have the power to prevent him from reforming. The writer confirmed this.
Like I said picking and choosing, if he was able to reform, he should have done the same way as before the way he did, even though he wanted to kill himself, so yes the power of Thor plus his whole battle in siege contributed to his demise
Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm a superb debater.
Repeating yourself does not makes it true, IMO anyway 🙂
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Because he dont wanted to reform in that time. He was able to get control over Void personality for that moment.The others time he tried to kill himself, the void personality dont let him do that.
After he was in Sun, the void personality comeback and again tryed to reform him - while other part of him dont wanted that.
This has to be clarified.
if it is a retcon I'm fine with it. 👆
but WHY Void is not there anymore to reform the body?
What made the Void not to be able to take over the body and reform itself?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
This has to be clarified.if it is a retcon I'm fine with it. 👆
but WHY Void is not there anymore to reform the body?
What made the Void not to be able to take over the body and reform itself?
Sentry said the VOID left his head in uncanny avengers. Now what he has in head is "death".
I know you dont talk interviews, but...
Remender:
Then I got into the aspect of, "What happens to a resurrected Sentry, who doesn't have The Void in his head anymore?" Who is still this mentally ill Superman who's got powers of a thousand exploding suns, but instead of The Void taking up space in his head, it's a Death persona from a Celestial, from an Apocalypse?
In Sentry now, you've got someone who is basically a human being with the power of a thousand exploding suns, who is mentally ill, and instead of having this villainous Void in his head, now he's got a Death persona, which is screaming for him to move forward evolution — which is a very confusing thing for a guy who's not a mutant. Maybe he comes up with a different interpretation of his mission… when I thought of that, well, it just excited me way more. There's so much more potential there for this guy who's dealing with real and sad mental illness, and to put him in this situation, and to put him against Thor in the way that I have, it became way too cool not to do it.
Thor dont killed the VOID.
Here the page:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3274776-4.jpg
Originally posted by Rao Kal Elno, it isn't. Most characters or people can't reform from total annihilation. Your analogy applies to Superman because if you rip his head off he dies. He cannot come back under his own power unlike the Void who has done so on panel.
Actually is the perfect analogy, you just don't like it because it destroys your weak case.
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He said he might and he might not. He left it open to interpretation. You lying about it doesn't change anything. We see him do so on panel so since he left it up in the air we go with on panel confirmation.
Since you like to quote so much writers interviews, should I bring the interview where it says that Sentry does not has molecular manipulation, that He thinks he does because he is mentally unstable,.OR are you going to pick and choose what you like and what you don't the way you always do?
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He is mentally unstable. At no point have I ever denied that. I haven't denied anything. Thats your gimmick.
They can't come back under their own power. The sentry can and has. Have you ever read a comic with regards to the Sentry ?
😂 are you serious? in comics people can't come back from the dead regardless of only getting a bullet on the brain or being destroyed completely in comics it can happen, haven't you read a comic book?
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I don't pick and choose what applies. Thor has the power to destroy his body but not to prevent him reforming. The comic makes it blatantly clear he wanted to die hence the reason he didn't reform on the spot on top of forcing Thor to destroy his body. MM also destroyed him as have others. He can come back at will and the writer confirmed it.
Picking and choosing what the writer says to best fit your argument?
Thor has the power to hurt and Kill Sentry this is the reason why the feat was given to him and not to Captain America. Sentry or Bob tried to kill himself before with out success, even if he wanted to stay dead, it was not until Thor killed him that He stayed dead.[/B]
No, he wasn't. Being hit and then not immediately reengaging doesn't mean he was ko'd. Your desperate. Thor was beat up by the ufoes. We next see Sentry easily restrain Thor while at the same time bring down Asgard.
Might be because like I said before, He was getting taxed by his battle/battles after all Sentry does not run on a no limits fallacy world, wasn't he flash KO for a while by Thor in the same arc?Yes the helicarrier did it's part and I thought We both agree that his mental state actually DID play part on his demise. Unless you did not understand this part and you want me to guide you though it.
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It was all mental guilt since we have seen him completely destroyed before. His body remained intact and at no point did the writer or the arc imply he taxed himself. This isn't Superman vs. Doomsday where they admit he taxed himself against the monster. This is the Sentry.
He didn't want to reform. He wanted to die. Are you incapable of understanding the simple message confirmed by the writer.
Like I said picking and choosing, if he was able to reform, he should have done the same way as before the way he did, even though he wanted to kill himself, so yes the power of Thor plus his whole battle in siege contributed to his demiseRepeating yourself does not makes it true, IMO anyway 🙂 [/B]
Thor wrecked his body and his guilt and admission in wanting to die kept him from reforming.
Irony since that is all you're doing while denying on panel evidence+writer confirmation of the obvious.
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Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Ok, but the words dont have any value when we see him using molecule manipulation on panel. This is the Sentry basic power and he used a lot times.
What I want is for Quan to not pick and choose what is said in interviews that help his case.
The panel evidence has more weight than the interview, in Quan's case he want's the interview to have more weight than the panel evidence.
I have no problem with Sentry having Matter manipulation as long as people don't pick and choose between panel evidence and interviews.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Thor dont killed the VOID.Here the page:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3274776-4.jpg
👆 Thanks for the scan, that will be a retcon, then there is no more point to this discussion.
So in the retcon Thor did not killed the void, for some reason the void did not decided to regrow himself.
It makes less sense tbh, but if that is the canon retcon so be it. 👆
Why is there a debate still going on? Remender confirmed that Thor never even killed Sentry to begin with. The reason why Bob didn't reform after Thor killed him was because he wanted to die. When Molecule Man vaporized Bob, he was in panic and did not want to die hence him respawning instantaneously. Lets think logically for a second, what is a more conclusive way to die; with sheer force as Thor did where remnants of Bob's flesh was still present? Or to have every cell in your body get completely disintegrated by molecule man? All of this has been said a million times. Its really beating a dead horse at this point. Its apparent that Sentry gets a lot of hate here but don't let that hate blind you. Take in consideration the characters abilities and read in context. For those who refuse to do so Remender did all the work for you.
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Why is there a debate still going on? Remender confirmed that Thor never even killed Sentry to begin with. The reason why Bob didn't reform after Thor killed him was because he wanted to die. When Molecule Man vaporized Bob, he was in panic and did not want to die hence him respawning instantaneously. Lets think logically for a second, what is a more conclusive way to die; with sheer force as Thor did where remnants of Bob's flesh was still present? Or to have every cell in your body get completely disintegrated by molecule man? All of this has been said a million times. Its really beating a dead horse at this point. Its apparent that Sentry gets a lot of hate here but don't let that hate blind you. Take in consideration the characters abilities and read in context. For those who refuse to do so Remender did all the work for you.
Respectfully, a retcon can dismiss almost any aspect of debate if we allow it.
For the sake of the thread we're dealing with the events in the context of the story.
Someone can ( AND SHOULD 😠 ) retcon the idiocy of Death Sentry being put down by a worm. Remender for the moment has given us the impression that it was beyond Bob's power to come back.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynall that is pure assumption as the void was in control when Thor killed him
Sentry's powers fluctuate depending on his mental state. Bob was extremely unstable throught SIEGE except in the parts where the Void took over completely.Bob's internal conflict did in fact weaken the Void long enough for Thor to "Kill" him.
Bob was always unstable one way or the other , the Void never was
The first question's answer is "yes".
No, let me rephrase that. If you think the answer to the first question is "no" then you're either:
a). a moron
b). a Thor fan [and as such, a 95% chance you're a moron, too]
Enzeru's post is indisputable.
The fact that the actual writer of the comic calls those who aren't perceptive enough to see the answer basically morons here:
Q:In this scene, Thor finally ends the threat of the Void AKA Bob Reynolds by killing him. It seems like when you consider the Void's power level, the only way this could have happened was because the Void wanted to die.A:I see there is a lot of online speculation about that, and I thought it was pretty clear. I don't like to over analyze these things. I prefer the work to speak for itself, but I'll put two things out there.
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Number two, yes, Bob realized that things had gone as far as they could possibly go. There was no other end for him and without his cooperation he doesn't go away. I just didn't want to have a line in the script where someone like Spider-Woman goes, "Boy, if he didn't want us to kill him, we couldn't have killed him." I see a lot of people got it, though, or they were just so happy to see the Sentry die they didn't give a shit how it happened.
Is just the icing on the cake.
