Ultraman vs Blue Marvel

Originally posted by carver9
You know in the same post youre thumb upping (I can tell he is playing by the way) he said Black Adam was no selling Ultraman attacks? Looking at the overall picture of things, Blue Marvel gets the majority. Ripping through Shuma physical body. Defeating Ant Man. Working the Avengers who at the time had a solid line up. Temp koing Sentry. Knocking King Hype the hell out. His fts are concrete. What has Ultraman done again? Defeated Black Adam and moved a moon. That isn't enough. Not CLOSE to being enough.

Ultraman was about even with Black Adam who is or was anyway around Superman level. That's no shame. But his mega grip allowed him to completely overcome that. Hell even after he broke his jaw Black Adam was able to fight evenly with him in a rematch taking shots on the same jaw.

That's not a testament to Ultraman's inability, that's a testament to just how tough Adam is. He can take high level punches by a strong being. And that's how fights are usually decided here. He punch him in face. He fall down.
But Ultraman can apparently sidestep that with an X Factor. He can almost kill someone with a grip who is "Superman level". How are you going to show Adam defending against that? By taking punches no? Well so can Black Adam, but he can't take the crushing grip of Ultraman.

Which is why I said the example. And why I said his crushing grip is off the charts. Looking back on it when I'm big into grip strength like I am now, it's zany to me. He wasn't pushing with both arms and his body behind him. He wasn't using anything more than his forearm and his hand and he utterly crushed his lower face. Like I said, imagine someone doing that to you in a fight after you no sold their attacks.
Just seems impressive to me and I kind of want to see how much force it would require to do that to a normal jaw.

Originally posted by carver9
So he did defeat Shuma physical body?

There was context to the second fight. Ironman and Ms. Marvel played a huge part.

So now you are lowballing his ft of taking on the Avengers. Should I do the same for Ultraman and Black Adam fight? Ya know, the same Adam that lost to Frankenstein.

Glad we agree on the Sentry fight.

Glad we agree on the Hyperion fight.

He defeated a piece of Shuma's body that was literally nothing compared to the real thing.

Originally posted by carver9
So he did defeat Shuma physical body?

There was context to the second fight. Ironman and Ms. Marvel played a huge part.

So now you are lowballing his ft of taking on the Avengers. Should I do the same for Ultraman and Black Adam fight? Ya know, the same Adam that lost to Frankenstein.

Glad we agree on the Sentry fight.

Glad we agree on the Hyperion fight.

Sure. He beat a toe. Good for him.

Yeah they worked together to defeat anti-man. That's the context you left out as well.

Lowballing? Those are facts. That is a direct comparison from the same team around the same time. You said he was winning. He wasn't he was a bloody mess even before sentry. Frankstein is very powerful. Honestly have you read anything of him? Wait no....I know you haven't.

Like I said. You left out context

So depowered juggernaut > ultraman?

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
He defeated a piece of Shuma's body that was literally nothing compared to the real thing.

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Exactly.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
How exactly does no selling punches go against anything? It fit directly into my point.
Sometimes I wish I could email you a fat load and send it splooshing into your face.

Ultraman was about even with Black Adam who is or was anyway around Superman level. That's no shame. But his mega grip allowed him to completely overcome that. Hell even after he broke his jaw Black Adam was able to fight evenly with him in a rematch taking shots on the same jaw.

That's not a testament to Ultraman's inability, that's a testament to just how tough Adam is. He can take high level punches by a strong being. And that's how fights are usually decided here. He punch him in face. He fall down.
But Ultraman can apparently sidestep that with an X Factor. He can almost kill someone with a grip who is "Superman level". How are you going to show Adam defending against that? By taking punches no? Well so can Black Adam, but he can't take the crushing grip of Ultraman.

Which is why I said the example. And why I said his crushing grip is off the charts. Looking back on it when I'm big into grip strength like I am now, it's zany to me. He wasn't pushing with both arms and his body behind him. He wasn't using anything more than his forearm and his hand and he utterly crushed his lower face. Like I said, imagine someone doing that to you in a fight after you no sold their attacks.
Just seems impressive to me and I kind of want to see how much force it would require to do that to a normal jaw.

Gotcha. Doesn't make sense, the Adam and Ultraman fight but I get what you are saying.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
He defeated a piece of Shuma's body that was literally nothing compared to the real thing.

Which is what my post said, he defeated Shuma body. Everyone here should know about the ft I am talking about. No need for me to say pieces, fractions, Millis, a quarter, 90%, 30%. We all read comics.

Originally posted by carver9
Which is what my post said, he defeated Shuma body. Everyone here should know about the ft I am talking about. No need for me to say pieces, fractions, Millis, a quarter, 90%, 30%. We all read comics.

Yes but you realise your message pertains to "Shuma's Body".

Which isn't the same as a small part.

"Shuma's physical body"

Not the same as nothing like the real thing.

Originally posted by carver9
Ripping through Shuma physical body.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Sure. He beat a toe. Good for him.

Yeah they worked together to defeat anti-man. That's the context you left out as well.

Lowballing? Those are facts. That is a direct comparison from the same team around the same time. You said he was winning. He wasn't he was a bloody mess even before sentry. Frankstein is very powerful. Honestly have you read anything of him? Wait no....I know you haven't.

Like I said. You left out context

So depowered juggernaut > ultraman?

The toe that was Shuma physical body.

Sure did. Good catch.

So the team wasn't powerful? Frank is powerful but he isn't Blue Marvel.

Nothing left out.

Don't get how you come up with the Juggernaut and Ultraman scenario.

Originally posted by carver9
The toe that was Shuma physical body.

Sure did. Good catch.

So the team wasn't powerful? Frank is powerful but he isn't Blue Marvel.

Nothing left out.

Don't get how you come up with the Juggernaut and Ultraman scenario.

Carver believe me you left a few things out of context. Particularly with the Sentry and Blue Marvel fight.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Yes but you realise your message pertains to "Shuma's Body".

Which isn't the same as a small part.

Who do you see in this scan? And what do you see?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160578/4216671-5244112148-39643.jpg

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Carver believe me you left a few things out of context. Particularly with the Sentry and Blue Marvel fight.

Post that scan where it say he is weakened.

Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha. Doesn't make sense, the Adam and Ultraman fight but I get what you are saying.

Originally posted by carver9
Who do you see in this scan? And what do you see?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160578/4216671-5244112148-39643.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
The toe that was Shuma physical body.

Sure did. Good catch.

So the team wasn't powerful? Frank is powerful but he isn't Blue Marvel.

Nothing left out.

Don't get how you come up with the Juggernaut and Ultraman scenario.

So he did a feat against shuma who was nowhere near full power somehow is the be all be all feat? Hell if you want to use sliver portions then what about when the invaders fought a weakened shuma?

Never said they weren't. But you said he was winning...he Wasn't. IN direct comparison ww2 namor fought the same team sans ms.marvel and did better.

So someone letting their guard down after they were clearly winning and lowering the guard allowed the hit that temp ko'Ed someone isn't leaving out context? Ah lawd. Also as mentioned sentry was apparently weakened during that time

The same king Hyperion blue marvel beat was beat by weakened juggernaut. Shows you a comparison in power. Do you beleive ultraman couldn't repeat this feat?

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot

I remember in another thread I posted the same scan for carver and once again context be damned.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It does if you consider his grip to be ungodly. Like humans for example grip apparently can vary from being to being regardless of how much you can lift or how hard you can punch. It's just that this is all lumped into one strength area in comics usually. Apparently not for Ultraman as it stands out in his case.

But shouldn't a punch be more powerful than a grip?

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot

My point went right over your head.

Originally posted by carver9
My point went right over your head.

No.

Originally posted by carver9
Blue Marvel gets the majority. Ripping through Shuma physical body. Defeating Ant Man. Working the Avengers who at the time had a solid line up. Temp koing Sentry. Knocking King Hype the hell out. His fts are concrete. What has Ultraman done again? Defeated Black Adam and moved a moon. That isn't enough. Not CLOSE to being enough.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Defeating Anti-Man – He actually lost in the first fight and the second fight his powers were linked and was the only one who could do it. It’s like saying kryptonite is stronger than everyone as it can beat Superman. He literally linked his powers with Anti-Man.

Ant Man. What a feat.

awesome