Originally posted by deathslash
Be reasonable. Namor was fighting all out against that team but BM was trying to reason with them and they still couldn't put him down easily. Honestly, he would have done much better and probably would have won if he was going for broke.
Would of. Could have. Should have. You think the avengers we're going for broke there as well? They too were trying to talk him down. Carver said they were winning. He wasn't. Simple as that.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Yes and you have proof but you're ignoring it.So in short I can't really do anything else but hope you realise that Sentry is weakened by the Negative Zone leaking and antimatter, as that is what it's made of.
So don't insult me by saying I have nothing when it is right in front of you.
Not insulting you and you didn't provide any proof tbh. Him getting weaker inside of the Negative Zone isn't a surprise tbh. Kind of like Superman being inside Dr. Fate upside down world. It weakens him when he is inside of there but if you place Superman outside and put that world right beside him, it will not do a thing to him.
Not discrediting your theory but I am not going to agree with it either. To each his own.
Originally posted by carver9
Not insulting you and you didn't provide any proof tbh. Him getting weaker inside of the Negative Zone isn't a surprise tbh. Kind of like Superman being inside Dr. Fate upside down world. It weakens him when he is inside of there but if you place Superman outside and put that world right beside him, it will not do a thing to him.Not discrediting your theory but I am not going to agree with it either. To each his own.
I did provide proof. You just are choosing not to believe it which is your right.
Agree to disagree then.
And I shouldn't have used the word insult, so my apologies.
Originally posted by carver9
So now you are lowballing his ft of taking on the Avengers. Should I do the same for Ultraman and Black Adam fight? Ya know, the same Adam that lost to Frankenstein
Originally posted by carver9
Not a low ft at all but Franky isn't beating the team Blue Marvel was holding off.
Except you were using the feat as a means to lowball adam orginally. Now people are calling you on your stuff your back peadling.
Honestly how much do you even know about the character. Endulge me.
I also noticed you originally said he was "working" the avengers and now changed it to "holding off". Do you honestly belief Adam or frankstein couldnt replicate that feat? I'll give you a hint....they could.
Originally posted by carver9
True. Wouldn't know if those stars would give someone like Cyclops or Havok (powers are thrived from the sun) a boost or if this stars would weaken them.
They have been to the negative zone. Cyclops even recently,😬 havok powers work on cosmic energy not sunlight like his brother.
If you don't know what your talking about just stop talking.
Originally posted by carver9
Havok is powered by both, cosmic and solar.
Cosmic radiation is the bulk of it. While cyclops can absorb other energy but the bulk of his power is from sunlight. Havok is not powered the same way as cyclops. As an example Superman gets the bulk of his power from sunlight, but he too can absorb other forms of energy. Doesn't mean his powers come from cosmic radiation like havok. Cyclops solar, havok cosmic
Like I said if you don't know what your talking about, don't talk.
Originally posted by carver9
Not insulting you and you didn't provide any proof tbh. Him getting weaker inside of the Negative Zone isn't a surprise tbh. Kind of like Superman being inside Dr. Fate upside down world. It weakens him when he is inside of there but if you place Superman outside and put that world right beside him, it will not do a thing to him.Not discrediting your theory but I am not going to agree with it either. To each his own.
From what I gather, the Negative Zone energy actually weakens him. Not the same as Doctor Fate's tower. Superman was weakened because time did not flow linearly. Despite only being there for a few minutes at most, it was equivalent to him being without sunlight for weeks.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Cosmic radiation is the bulk of it. While cyclops can absorb other energy but the bulk of his power is from sunlight. Havok is not powered the same way as cyclops. As an example Superman gets the bulk of his power from sunlight, but he too can absorb other forms of energy. Doesn't mean his powers come from cosmic radiation like havok. Cyclops solar, havok cosmicLike I said if you don't know what your talking about, don't talk.
Technically, it's all energy from stars, though writers probably either don't think about it or don't care, and treat them different.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah as well as channeling a different dimension. This is an outline of their powers from the X-Men handbook
Yes, but they're both powered by essentially starlight at the start(it's the results that differ). And there SHOULD be no difference between sunlight and "cosmic energy" by and large, similar to the different colored stars aren't really different enough for Superman to be powered by yellow sunlight but not by red, but that's comics for ya.
Originally posted by Delta1938
From what I gather, the Negative Zone energy actually weakens him. Not the same as Doctor Fate's tower. Superman was weakened because time did not flow linearly. Despite only being there for a few minutes at most, it was equivalent to him being without sunlight for weeks.Technically, it's all energy from stars, though writers probably either don't think about it or don't care, and treat them different.
It does weaken Sentry when he is inside of it. Never argued against that.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Technically, it's all energy from stars, though writers probably either don't think about it or don't care, and treat them different.
Cosmic rays are different though in that they are mainly high energy particles while solar is electromagnetic, and CR might have a variety of sources besides stars. Also I think the energy reaching earth from distant space will have different wavelengths, intensities etc. So Cyclops, Superman etc might be like a plants which can photosynthesize from certain wavelengths but not others. Or like solar panels, which collect solar energy but don't get anything from cosmic rays.
Maybe the writers' indifference worked out here.
But how any character gets much energy from background cosmic rays I don't know, seems like a pitiful source of energy especially when the absorber only has the surface area of a human body.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Shuma-Gorath – Wasn’t anywhere near full power and literally a fingernail. They even made mention of that in the comic itself. Way to overhype thatDefeating Anti-Man – He actually lost in the first fight and the second fight his powers were linked and was the only one who could do it. It’s like saying kryptonite is stronger than everyone as it can beat Superman. He literally linked his powers with Anti-Man.
Avengers – Ummm…he was losing. Heck WW2 Namor fought the same teams sans Ms.Marvel and did better
Sentry – Yep he did temp KO him. However, that was after bmwas getting worked and sentry stopped attacking and let his guard down. Plus the negative zone was apparently leaking at the time weakening him (apparently)
King Hyperion – Sure did, but you also have to remember depowered Juggernaut also beat the same King Hyperion. This is not the hyperion from the exiles series.
He wasn't exactly "losing" to the Avengers. If you don't mind refreshing my memory, when did WW2 Namor fight this same team?
BM wasn't exactly getting worked. He may have let his guard down, but it's Sentry's fault for getting punched into space since he was standing over him. And it's a stretch to say Sentry was weakened. There was no indication whatsoever.
Juggy never beat King Hype. Btw I thought this was exiles Hype. I could be wrong.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He did beat Anti-Man in the 60's. He also beat him towards the end after Anti-man blasted all the other heroes away. Before dispersing him, he beat his a$$ up then physically forced him out of the planet.He wasn't exactly "losing" to the Avengers. If you don't mind refreshing my memory, when did WW2 Namor fight this same team?
BM wasn't exactly getting worked. He may have let his guard down, but it's Sentry's fault for getting punched into space since he was standing over him. And it's a stretch to say Sentry was weakened. There was no indication whatsoever.
Juggy never beat King Hype. Btw I thought this was exiles Hype. I could be wrong.
And? Carver was referring to the amped up anti-man at the end of the mini which bm had help with. Again he did that after he synced with his powers weakening him. Then anti-man broke free killed his wife and went into a bloody rage and did it. But he already linked with him prior to that scene and he had help.
He was pretty bloody on the ground. That's getting worked. He did let his guard down. That's context carver left out. Well negative zone weakends him and the negative zone was leaking into the main universe. So not far fetched at all. Or would you say sentry was at the same level when he was taking shots from wwh?
Ummmm carver said he was working them. That's hardely true. Not like he even winning either. Namor fought the team in avengers/invaders crossover.
Sure he did. He did the rope a dope and clearly turned it around and was winning. Then Moonstone and ghost finished him off with the nano-tech. Exiles Hyperion was killed in exiles many years ago.
Originally posted by thanosmat
In this fight, King Hyperion is weakened by nano-carriers in his blood, a security measure.
That was used later