Confirmation to all. Cain didn't beat Hyperion.
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Originally posted by -K-M-
And? Carver was referring to the amped up anti-man at the end of the mini which bm had help with. Again he did that after he synced with his powers weakening him. Then anti-man broke free killed his wife and went into a bloody rage and did it. But he already linked with him prior to that scene and he had help.He was pretty bloody on the ground. That's getting worked. He did let his guard down. That's context carver left out. Well negative zone weakends him and the negative zone was leaking into the main universe. So not far fetched at all. Or would you say sentry was at the same level when he was taking shots from wwh?
Ummmm carver said he was working them. That's hardely true. Not like he even winning either. Namor fought the team in avengers/invaders crossover.
Sure he did. He did the rope a dope and clearly turned it around and was winning. Then Moonstone and ghost finished him off with the nano-tech. Exiles Hyperion was killed in exiles many years ago.
That was used later
He really started bleeding after Ares cut his face with his axe. That's when Sentry blindsided him and pressed on. Also when he smacked Sentry into space, he was starting to outmuscle the Avengers.
Btw do you have scans of WW2 Namor doing better than BM vs Avengers?
Originally posted by -K-M-
I stand corrected. Apparently it's the same king Hyperion. Probably has one of the best regeneration feats out there.Namor and bm fought years ago and it apparently was close and bm won by landing a lucky shot. Those are his words. Anyone says marvel stomps is ridic
They fought, but we never really know if it was close or not. They both made patronizing statements to each other seemingly more out of respect. BM saying he got in a lucky shot was in response to Namor stating that only Hulk and Thor has hit him as hard. There's really no way of knowing it won him the fight.
Originally posted by carver9
It does weaken Sentry when he is inside of it. Never argued against that.
You compared the dimension itself weakening him to Superman in Fate's tower. Superman was weakened because non-linear time flow caused him to use-up solar energy very quickly. This is not the same at all from what I can see. I thought you said you admit when you're wrong?
Originally posted by basilisk
Cosmic rays are different though in that they are mainly high energy particles while solar is electromagnetic, and CR might have a variety of sources besides stars. Also I think the energy reaching earth from distant space will have different wavelengths, intensities etc. So Cyclops, Superman etc might be like a plants which can photosynthesize from certain wavelengths but not others. Or like solar panels, which collect solar energy but don't get anything from cosmic rays.
What other than stars?
Maybe the writers' indifference worked out here.
But how any character gets much energy from background cosmic rays I don't know, seems like a pitiful source of energy especially when the absorber only has the surface area of a human body.
Yep, writers usually don't follow science. Just had to say something even though I wasn't arguing against the comic itself.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nah.. BM failed along with the Avengers. Antiman blasted them all away. There's no indication of him weakening. In fact, he seemed more powerful than ever. That's when BM took the kid gloves off and started to beat his ass up before dispersing him outside the planet.
As mentioned earlier their linked together. Adam was the perfect person to defeat him.
He made the connection once, which of course was stopped when anti-man killed adam's wife. However, If you make a connection once it's easier to do it and could siphon his powers off then and there. Also when you synch something you match so BM could have even be given a bump in power. Which makes sense why in space he did it much easier and quicker then on earth
In his blind fury they fought pretty close, BM landed 4-5 shots which didn't do much to AM before taking him into space and dispersing him. He was falling apart while on route into space, so very likely had established the connection again and was dispersing him until the big push
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He really started bleeding after Ares cut his face with his axe. That's when Sentry blindsided him and pressed on. Also when he smacked Sentry into space, he was starting to outmuscle the Avengers.
True, I thought it was the shot from WonderMan also made him bleed. Just groan in pain. Only Sentry and Ares made him bleed. I wouldn't say he was out musceling them, literally Sentry was gone for a few seconds and two panels later he was back and Ko'ed him. He gave Iron Man 2 good shots before Sentry came back
Blue Marvel vs. Sentry, Wonder Man, Ms.Marvel, iron Man and Ares
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_006_zpsa7a27bfd.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_007_zps9d8f7f99.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_007_zps9d8f7f99.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_008_zps635be347.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_009_zps8f91b136.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_010_zpsf860a5e0.jpg
7. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_011_zpse0fe6528.jpg
8. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_012_zpsa4cfd210.jpg
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Btw do you have scans of WW2 Namor doing better than BM vs Avengers?
Namor vs. Sentry, Iron Man, Ares and Wonder Man
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-006_zps9e0c7783.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-007_zps7ddcbc32.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-008_zpsd371d25a.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-009_zps6d441b7d.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-011_zps2b9c88f6.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-012_zpsc998acb6.jpg
7. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-013_zps54b50b60.jpg
8. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-014_zps07213c29.jpg
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I thought as much(same King Hype).They fought, but we never really know if it was close or not. They both made patronizing statements to each other seemingly more out of respect. BM saying he got in a lucky shot was in response to Namor stating that only Hulk and Thor has hit him as hard. There's really no way of knowing it won him the fight.
It was close, they even show they trading blows in the flashback. Then they mention the lucky shot which Adam says, not Namor.
Plus the comparable scenes when they fought the same avengers team (Sans ms.marvel). Their not that far off it seems.
Originally posted by -K-M-
As mentioned earlier their linked together. Adam was the perfect person to defeat him.He made the connection once, which of course was stopped when anti-man killed adam's wife. However, If you make a connection once it's easier to do it and could siphon his powers off then and there. Also when you synch something you match so BM could have even be given a bump in power. Which makes sense why in space he did it much easier and quicker then on earth
In his blind fury they fought pretty close, BM landed 4-5 shots which didn't do much to AM before taking him into space and dispersing him. He was falling apart while on route into space, so very likely had established the connection again and was dispersing him until the big push
True, I thought it was the shot from WonderMan also made him bleed. Just groan in pain. Only Sentry and Ares made him bleed. I wouldn't say he was out musceling them, literally Sentry was gone for a few seconds and two panels later he was back and Ko'ed him. He gave Iron Man 2 good shots before Sentry came back
Blue Marvel vs. Sentry, Wonder Man, Ms.Marvel, iron Man and Ares
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_006_zpsa7a27bfd.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_007_zps9d8f7f99.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_007_zps9d8f7f99.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_008_zps635be347.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_009_zps8f91b136.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_010_zpsf860a5e0.jpg
7. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_011_zpse0fe6528.jpg
8. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/albm_05_012_zpsa4cfd210.jpgNamor vs. Sentry, Iron Man, Ares and Wonder Man
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-006_zps9e0c7783.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-007_zps7ddcbc32.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-008_zpsd371d25a.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-009_zps6d441b7d.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-011_zps2b9c88f6.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-012_zpsc998acb6.jpg
7. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-013_zps54b50b60.jpg
8. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-014_zps07213c29.jpgIt was close, they even show they trading blows in the flashback. Then they mention the lucky shot which Adam says, not Namor.
Plus the comparable scenes when they fought the same avengers team (Sans ms.marvel). Their not that far off it seems.
Here he seemed more powerful than ever blasting everyone away including the other heroes(Avengers/Reed).
You're underselling what he did to Antiman. He overpowered him and was clearly getting the better of him. You are coming up with too many reasons as to how he did it. It was simply BM rising to the occasion against an extremely powerful villian. It's the same way he beat King Hyperion. He just went kid gloves off.
He re-synched with him outside of earth after the beat down.
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/albm_05_029_zpsb90eeef1.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/albm_05_030_zpsf82cd092.jpg
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And how can you equate Namor w/The Invaders vs Avengers to BM vs the Avengers? In fact how can you call it more impressive? It's not even remotely the same. 🙁
BM's showing was far and away more impressive. By leaps and bounds.
The flashback with Namor is too inconclusive. All we know from that scene is that Namor thinks very highly of BM.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yes he most likely was the best person to beat antiman given their similarity in power source. But there's no reason to say he was weakened.Here he seemed more powerful than ever blasting everyone away including the other heroes(Avengers/Reed).
You're underselling what he did to Antiman. He overpowered him and was clearly getting the better of him. You are coming up with too many reasons as to how he did it. It was simply BM rising to the occasion against an extremely powerful villian. It's the same way he beat King Hyperion. He just went kid gloves off.
He re-synched with him outside of earth after the beat down.
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/albm_05_029_zpsb90eeef1.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/albm_05_030_zpsf82cd092.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Random/albm_05_031_zps6c5ab9d5.jpgAnd how can you equate Namor w/The Invaders vs Avengers to BM vs the Avengers? In fact how can you call it more impressive? It's not even remotely the same. 🙁
BM's showing was far and away more impressive. By leaps and bounds.
The flashback with Namor is too inconclusive. All we know from that scene is that Namor thinks very highly of BM.
why not? we know he linked him with and began the process. Anti-Man was in rough shape from his face. Again linking with Anti-Man more then likely synched their powers together even giving Bm a boost
Not at all, Anti-Man was a beast and he easily beat BM earlier (1960 Anti-Man was nothing like near the end of the mini). BM is the best suited to fight Anti-Man too. Kryptonite Man isn't as powerful if he isn't fighting superman. Same principle. Anti-Man was definitely powerful, but considering he was wrecking the avengers and BM my explanations make far more sense with the story.
the "beatdown" was 4-5 shots which really didn't do much to anti-man as I already said.Also as meniond he seemed to be disapaiting on his way into space
haha no way. Namor literally used WonderMan as a bat and caught bloodlusted Ares axe who tried to attack him from behind and easily penetrated Namor's armor. Other then the Sentry shot, which you even admitted he let his guard down no clue how you can say that is more impressive. Literally everyone got their shots in and was on the defensive the entire fight until he hit sentry In space then just hit iron man twice before being one-shotted
How so? we see them evenly trade blows and BM himself says he landed a lucky blow
Originally posted by -K-M-
why not? we know he linked him with and began the process. Anti-Man was in rough shape from his face. Again linking with Anti-Man more then likely synched their powers together even giving Bm a boost
Originally posted by -K-M-Never said he wasn't the best suited to fight him. What your doing is creating something that was never a part of the story.
Not at all, Anti-Man was a beast and he easily beat BM earlier (1960 Anti-Man was nothing like near the end of the mini). BM is the best suited to fight Anti-Man too. Kryptonite Man isn't as powerful if he isn't fighting superman. Same principle. Anti-Man was definitely powerful, but considering he was wrecking the avengers and BM my explanations make far more sense with the story.
Originally posted by -K-M-
the "beatdown" was 4-5 shots which really didn't do much to anti-man as I already said.Also as meniond he seemed to be disapaiting on his way into space
Originally posted by -K-M-
haha no way. Namor literally used WonderMan as a bat and caught bloodlusted Ares axe who tried to attack him from behind and easily penetrated Namor's armor. Other then the Sentry shot, which you even admitted he let his guard down no clue how you can say that is more impressive. Literally everyone got their shots in and was on the defensive the entire fight until he hit sentry In space then just hit iron man twice before being one-shotted
Originally posted by -K-M-
How so? we see them evenly trade blows and BM himself says he landed a lucky blow
Incorrect, they specifically said the first time he was synching “it was working” and was even trying to start to disperse the energy and seeing Anti-Man’s face in the last panel….it was working. Also the plan again was to synch, which he did….AND THEN hit him with a large positive plasma charge to disperse him. Also what’s the definition of synch? “to synchronize; harmonize.” So he was matching Anti-Man, so no you can’t say BM didn’t get a boost or was weakening Anti-Man when he did the first lock, which as noted was working and Anti-Man was clearly being affected.
Not at all, you just need things clearly spelt out, which is still all there if you look at the big picture.
Really? The punches weren’t doing much and then he bullrushed him which as we can see in the panels he was already starting to fall apart on the way to space. So BM was very likely synching with him on the way up and then did the plasma charge to finish him off.
Haha what? It’s not like Avengers dog-pilled BM 😬 They each punched him one after another and each time he groaned in pain. Now he was blind-sided? They literally attacked one after the other in a line and each time they were getting the better shots. The ONLY two times he looked good was when Sentry let his guard down and he hit him and when he punched Iron Man twice. Namor was taking them on in the same situation and was getting the better of them. He was even using a class 100 character as a freaking baseball bat hitting other members of the Avengers. Even Ares TRIED to blindside him, but Namor quickly countered that. Now there’s evidence to even suggest Sentry was weakened during the fight with BM as the negative zone bleeding into the main universe.
No we saw two panels of them evenly trading blows and Adam admitting he got a lucky shot off. That’s pretty good confirmation right there. Do you believe it was a blowout then? Again you need things clearly spelt out when they don’t have to be.
Feel free to have the last word, we have reached an impasse again like the other thread and were not going to change each other’s opinions. Main point was carver once again left out context and we all agreed he did
The Namor fight was good but it was nothing compared to the BM showing. Then he had help. Ironman was fighting Cap, Wonderman was fighting Torch. It isn't comparable, at all. Hell, he didn't even fight the Sentry. They had one quick showing and the next time we see Namor, he is on the ground. We don't see Sentry afterwards. He probably took off to fight someone else. His only ft during that was grabbing Wonderman ft and slamming him against the rest. Nothing more. Blue Marvel actually took on the team and was holding his own and had the advantage during the end while getting surprised attack. He did this alone without any help. The Namor showing isn't even close.
Originally posted by carver9
The Namor fight was good but it was nothing compared to the BM showing. Then he had help. Ironman was fighting Cap, Wonderman was fighting Torch. It isn't comparable, at all. Hell, he didn't even fight the Sentry. They had one quick showing and the next time we see Namor, he is on the ground. We don't see Sentry afterwards. He probably took off to fight someone else. His only ft during that was grabbing Wonderman ft and slamming him against the rest. Nothing more. Blue Marvel actually took on the team and was holding his own and had the advantage during the end while getting surprised attack. He did this alone without any help. The Namor showing isn't even close.
Yes he fought the sentry. Now you want to disregard that too? And yes he did go to fight someone else. Basic stuff doesn't change the fact he did fight him. So namor didn't take on the team and held his own? Haha ridic.
Nothing more? Horrible. Honestly other then the shot against sentry who put his guard down what did bm do again? Please endulge me. Like I said they lined up one at a time and smacked bm and was groaning in pain with each shot. Ares cut him up but when area tried to sneak attack namor he caught the axe and threw it into iron man. That's a high end feat. Also again using wonder man as a bat is another high end feat. Bm didn't do anything like that other then hit an apparently weakened sentry when his guard was down and then punched iron man twice. Wow. When sentry came back he was one-shotted. Hell sentry was only gone for 2 panels. You act like they all attacked at once....they didn't. You condeem the namor showing as they didn't attsck all at once, but are all hyped for bm showing? dumb. Simply dumb
Namor did nothing to the Sentry in that showing. Nothing. Ironman was fighting Cap, Wonderman was fighting Torch. It is not the same. All of the attention was on BM during his scene. Ares was ok, Wonderman was ok. Namor slamming them together was a decent showing but it isn't comparable to what BM did, at all. You should take a look at your scans. Also, Ms. Marvel was fighting BM as well. Hell, it can be argued that BM was holding back since he didn't use any of his powers minus trying to reason with them AND punch them.
Originally posted by carver9
Namor did nothing to the Sentry in that showing. Nothing. Ironman was fighting Cap, Wonderman was fighting Torch. It is not the same. All of the attention was on BM during his scene. Ares was ok, Wonderman was ok. Namor slamming them together was a decent showing but it isn't comparable to what BM did, at all. You should take a look at your scans. Also, Ms. Marvel was fighting BM as well. Hell, it can be argued that BM was holding back since he didn't use any of his powers minus trying to reason with them AND punch them.
And? Bm once again hit sentry when his guard was down against a very likely weakened sentry. Namor fought all those people and came out flawless. Bm can't say the same. When sentry came back from the hit he one-shotted bm.
Haha once again no difference. They literally lined up and each got a shot in bm and then they stopped by for the other to attack. What we saw was each attsck from the avengers he didn't counter much and was groaning and bleeding. Namor did more offensively then bm. That's fact. Everyone that bm fought was fine as well what your faulty logic is trying to use against namor. Hypocrite. Yeah ms.marvel wasn't there against namor as stated many times, but did she do much other then land the one punch that made bm groan in pain? Nope. Did they dog pile bm? No. We're they going for broke against bm either? Nope. Did he do any lasting damage to them? Nope. Did he hit a weakened sentry when his guard was down? Yep. Did you originally say he was working the avengers team? Yep. You're dumb. Simple as that.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Incorrect, they specifically said the first time he was synching “it was working” and was even trying to start to disperse the energy and seeing Anti-Man’s face in the last panel….it was working. Also the plan again was to synch, which he did….AND THEN hit him with a large positive plasma charge to disperse him. Also what’s the definition of synch? “to synchronize; harmonize.” So he was matching Anti-Man, so no you can’t say BM didn’t get a boost or was weakening Anti-Man when he did the first lock, which as noted was working and Anti-Man was clearly being affected.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Not at all, you just need things clearly spelt out, which is still all there if you look at the big picture.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Really? The punches weren’t doing much and then he bullrushed him which as we can see in the panels he was already starting to fall apart on the way to space. So BM was very likely synching with him on the way up and then did the plasma charge to finish him off.
How can you say the punches weren't doing much? Before BM's last ditch effort he went Super Saiyan on BM and the Avengers. They even showed different parts of the world going bonkers with his energy display.
Bottom line is BM pounded him into submission ultimately dragging him to space and dispersing his molecules.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Haha what? It’s not like Avengers dog-pilled BM 😬 They each punched him one after another and each time he groaned in pain. Now he was blind-sided? They literally attacked one after the other in a line and each time they were getting the better shots. The ONLY two times he looked good was when Sentry let his guard down and he hit him and when he punched Iron Man twice. Namor was taking them on in the same situation and was getting the better of them. He was even using a class 100 character as a freaking baseball bat hitting other members of the Avengers. Even Ares TRIED to blindside him, but Namor quickly countered that. Now there’s evidence to even suggest Sentry was weakened during the fight with BM as the negative zone bleeding into the main universe.
Now in regards to Sentry being weakened, I think we need more evidence on that. The writer clearly never brought that up in his tussle with Blue Marvel.
Originally posted by -K-M-
No we saw two panels of them evenly trading blows and Adam admitting he got a lucky shot off. That’s pretty good confirmation right there. Do you believe it was a blowout then? Again you need things clearly spelt out when they don’t have to be.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Feel free to have the last word, we have reached an impasse again like the other thread and were not going to change each other’s opinions. Main point was carver once again left out context and we all agreed he did
