Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerExcept Riddick didn't take that shot directly on.
And everyone who took direct hits from those guns died. In the beginning of Riddick, we see that a gravity blast hitting an unprotected head literally blows it to bits. And as for the 8 stuns... Riddick got shot by 4 horse tranquilizers in Riddick, and that didn't put him down either. And an average dose horse tranq is potentially lethal to a normal human.Also, if you consider cheap shotting someone with a gun while they are fighting someone else as "beating" them, then it doesn't speak much about you as a person. And if you bring up the group nonsense again (which is still irrelevant, considering there are no groups here, and Khan had the Enterprise crew also killing Klingons), I will gladly make a thread of Vaako and 50 Necromonger soldiers VS Khan and a handful of nameless mooks, and we will see who the forum thinks would win that battle.
He was semi-crouching, and starting to rise, maybe a meter away from the side of the one edge of the platform, when Uhura shot him in the back. Even if he had literally only tumbled 2 meters (which is WAY less than a gravity gun hurls people when it hits them) he would have been thrown off the platform. You have to be blind, biased, stupid, or some combination of the 3 to dispute this.
Also, Riddick sent Lord Marshal flying several meters from an uppercut while rising up from a lying position. What does either of those 2 things have to do with them getting hit by a gravity gun?
I love how you try and use a quote from a character as an apparent "feat", but then also totally ignore the context or the rest of the comment. He said that the Necromongers had blindsided him because he had let himself become civilised. He then states that the clock is turned back to zero, and that it was him alone on an unknown planet, and that he would get back in touch with his animal side. And he then spends an unknown period of time (long enough for that weird giant dingo dog thing to fully mature, and his leg to heal) where he does just that. So bringing up the "civilised" thing is utterly pointless.
Riddick has also shown, when not engaged with someone else, relfexes fast enough to dodge gravity gun blasts after they were fired. So he could very well simply dodge any thrown object. He also managed to block, dodge and parry superhumanly fast blows from the Lord Marshal. In fact, the only reason the Lord Marshal had the advantage was because he could use his enhanced speed to attack Riddick from blind spots. A speed advantage Khan does not have.
And Khan is too tactical in a straight fight? Prove it, seeing as you made the claim.
Here are just a few examples of Riddick using tactics:
Taking out a room full of Necromongers with guns, using only his knives, by turning environment to his advantage through killing the lights.
Slowly inoculating himself against the venomous creatures in Riddick, so that their poison wouldn't affect him when he fought them.
Constantly shown to make weapons and traps using what he finds in his environment, and hiding them for later use, to help combat his enemies.
Using Vaako's distraction during the fight with the Lord Marshal to position himself to land the killing blow.
Using stealth and tactics to take out a whole crew of mercenaries on a ship before any of them really know what is happening.
Taking out one of the Lord Marshal's most skilled warriors by using the weapon impaled in his back against him.
And there are other examples of him using tactics and strategy to defeat his enemies as well.
So prove that Khan is too tactical for him. And don't simply say Klingon fight or Spock fight. I want specific examples of him using better tactics than Riddick to beat people 1 on 1. Or otherwise you concede that he can't.
And I am also waiting on your proof to back your claim that Khan has better night vision than Riddick. You did, after all, say that Khan is superior to him in [B]every
way. [/B]
We see that the horse tranquilizers and those shitty mercs did take him down. Under the rules of their engagement I found it quite fair. Now if it was a one on one fight and during that it would be a cheap shot. A massive battle with two forces attacking each other is fair under the terms of engagement. I mean **** in wars there are snipers for crying out loud. Vaako was right on in the open and visibly seen.
Make the thread then Khan and the three from the enterprise. Since you want to claim he had their aid despite him beating the Klingons and having the enterprise crew at his mercy.
I disagree with your wishful thinking claims. Riddick has punching power but the Lord Marshal is overrated. He's fast sure but not very durable or extremely powerful IMO.
It is not irrelevant since it is canon. It's a fact so it happened. Riddick did bring out his survivalist again but even at his best he still isn't on Khan's level
Riddick cannot dodge blasts at will despite your stance he can. He can outmaneuver the shittier or less skilled blasters. We see he couldn't avoid Vaako's attack. Vaako is a crafty, highly trained, skilled combatant. Skill matters despite your insistence that Riddick can dodge b,Astra no matter the guy who is shooting the gun.
Watch the clip on Kronos to see how tactical and easily he dispatches of the Klingons. That's extraordinary tactics and executed flawlessly post gunplay.
He never takes out a roomful of Necromongers. If you're referring to the Helios prime soldiers we see how the entire planet fares against the Necromongers. I don't think he really met up with a team of badasses. That's for sure.
The only reason he was able to kill the Lord Marshal was because Vaako intervened. He was opportunistic but also lucky that Vaako decided to act in the middle of their fight leaving the lord marshal not many options in the heat of battle.
Yes, but that didn't work well. He didn't kill the lord marshal and the lord marshal demands they let him fight him. He was lucky the lord marshal allowed it and Vaako was planning to kill him.
Watch the end of the Klingon fight again. That's where he used tactics post gunplay. Watch how he systemically destroys the Klingons with knives and his physicality.
lol Same old Quan with his same old crap tactics. You've posted nothing that hasn't been countered several times by various posters by now. Until you can actually come up with a valid argument that hasn't been destroyed multiple times already, Riddick still wins. Oh, and I am STILL waiting for the proof that Khan has better night vision than Riddick. I'll respond to this thread again when you either have actual proof of Khan's night vision being better than Riddick's, or you concede that you were lying when you made the claim.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerYou failed to counter my post. It responded to yours post by post displaying your level of hypocrisy. You have no grasp of a battle. Two groups going strong it and Riddick being fully aware of Vaako and his troops. He got carried away and left himself wide open to be beaten. Vaako was more tactical. Riddick just says, let's play who's the better killer nonsense.
lol Same old Quan with his same old crap tactics. You've posted nothing that hasn't been countered several times by various posters by now. Until you can actually come up with a valid argument that hasn't been destroyed multiple times already, Riddick still wins. Oh, and I am STILL waiting for the proof that Khan has better night vision than Riddick. I'll respond to this thread again when you either have actual proof of Khan's night vision being better than Riddick's, or you concede that you were lying when you made the claim.
In the case of Khan he's literally in a Mano e Mano scrap after crash landing and sprinting through the streets. He's about to crush spock's skull. Uhura teleports in and blasts him 8 times before he Spock hits him with a weapon. Khan is superior in terms of overall vision. You want to get specific because we know khan was in one film and doesn't have the feats. It's like me saying khan is better in all ways and someone says not cooking. It's ridiculous. Overall his vision is better.
Continue to wait and hide like the gutless, witless coward you are.
Originally posted by Horus1So physically crushing the other inmate and defeating Riddick with one blast isn't proof ?
What skill exactly did Vaako show, other than breaking an inmates neck? Or taking a cheapshot at a lesser opposing force? ie Riddick, Kyra and the two other inmates who looked like they were going to s**t thier pantaloons.
Vaako also outsmarted him at the start of Riddick. He's got riddicks number every which way.
Originally posted by Genesis-SoldierCrushing a skull is vastly superior than overcoming another character without any impressive strength feats. You're a ridiculous fanboy.
khan crushing a skull is one thing but riddick out performing muscled up merc holding him in a position of almost no leverage... riddick is stronger
Originally posted by quanchi112
So physically crushing the other inmate and defeating Riddick with one blast isn't proof ?Vaako also outsmarted him at the start of Riddick. He's got riddicks number every which way.
No it's not, if Riddick wasn't even fighting with Vaako at the time the shot is taken. I will give you, Vaako lied to Riddick leading him to believe he was taking him to Furya, and took advantage of Riddicks ignorance. The only reason Vaako was still alive at the start of Riddick was because he was the only "living" person to know where Furya was. Otherwise Riddick would have killed him off.
Originally posted by Horus1It was a massive battle so it's on riddicks to know. You people have no grasp of war to think people have to say over here, you ready ?? GTFO. Vaako took him out with a blast. Riddick is an idiot.
No it's not, if Riddick wasn't even fighting with Vaako at the time the shot is taken. I will give you, Vaako lied to Riddick leading him to believe he was taking him to Furya, and took advantage of Riddicks ignorance. The only reason Vaako was still alive at the start of Riddick was because he was the only "living" person to know where Furya was. Otherwise Riddick would have killed him off.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It was a massive battle so it's on riddicks to know. You people have no grasp of war to think people have to say over here, you ready ?? GTFO. Vaako took him out with a blast. Riddick is an idiot.
So your saying Khan has complete battlefield awareness, and has never been taken by surprise by a cheapshot? Plus, please counter the facts that had it not been for the fact that Vaako "knew" where Furya was, was the only reason he was still alive at the start of Riddick.
Originally posted by Horus1Any character can be caught off guard, sport. The point is Riddick had allied as did Vaako. Vaako was smarter and just took one shot to stop him. Speculation. Vaako outsmarted the dummy. That's a fact.
So your saying Khan has complete battlefield awareness, and has never been taken by surprise by a cheapshot? Plus, please counter the facts that had it not been for the fact that Vaako "knew" where Furya was, was the only reason he was still alive at the start of Riddick.