Originally posted by BruceSkywalkeragreed
Read this thread.. How fortuitous that I just happen to be watching The first Thor film.. If this were Thor with all his powers than Batman gets flayed and fried. Since the only feats that count for Thor are the ones where is depowered and fought the shield agents in his guest to regain Mjlonir, he does have some decent h2h skills however Batman is clearly the better fighter between the two. Batman after a nice fight will take this
Originally posted by quanchi112
This is Ra's effortlessly crushing Bruce Wayne after he decimated the larger men at the prison.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EFhD3d3q0Zg
You're suggesting despite him being crushed by a trained opponent this feat somehow suggests he stands a chance against Thor despite the video.
Are you being silly again on purpose?
You're ignoring that Bruce had just returned from an exhausting journey, the fight was BEFORE he was trained by the LoS and that Ra's is a very skilled combatant.
So your attempt to paint Bruce as some slump because he had initially lost to Ra's before he was properly trained failed. Sorry, but you're going to have to try better than that.
Originally posted by RobtardHe arrived to demonstrate his worth and was effortlessly dominated. Are you suggesting a fresher Wayne would have won that confrontation at that point ?
Are you being silly again on purpose?You're ignoring that Bruce had just returned from an exhausting journey, the fight was BEFORE he was trained by the LoS and that Ra's is a very skilled combatant.
So your attempt to paint Bruce as some slump because he had initially lost to Ra's before he was properly trained failed. Sorry, but you're going to have to try better than that.
This was to demonstrate the feat of the men at the prison is worthless. An untrained Wayne is nothing that extraordinary.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He arrived to demonstrate his worth and was effortlessly dominated. Are you suggesting a fresher Wayne would have won that confrontation at that point ?This was to demonstrate the feat of the men at the prison is worthless. An untrained Wayne is nothing that extraordinary.
You tried using a fight scene which had Bruce BEFORE HE WAS TRAINED as some means to make him look lesser. You tried and I called you out on it.
Originally posted by RobtardThis was posted in order to dismiss your silly mention of the men at the prison feat. After he was trained he got his ass kicked plenty of times.
You tried using a fight scene which had Bruce BEFORE HE WAS TRAINED as some means to make him look lesser. You tried and I called you out on it.
Thor effortlessly wrecked shield agents whereas Bruce wakes up with bruises all over his body after kicking the crap out of second rate criminals asses.
Originally posted by quanchi112
This was posted in order to dismiss your silly mention of the men at the prison feat. After he was trained he got his ass kicked plenty of times.Thor effortlessly wrecked shield agents whereas Bruce wakes up with bruises all over his body after kicking the crap out of second rate criminals asses.
You tried using a fight scene which had Bruce BEFORE HE WAS TRAINED as some means to make him look lesser. You tried and I called you out on it.
Originally posted by RobtardAgain, the prison feat happened prior to and this was explained. I posted this to dismiss your earlier silly feat. You're not even smart enough to understand.
You tried using a fight scene which had Bruce BEFORE HE WAS TRAINED as some means to make him look lesser. You tried and I called you out on it.
Thor wins.
Batman lost to the friggin scarecrow.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, the prison feat happened prior to and this was explained. I posted this to dismiss your earlier silly feat. You're not even smart enough to understand.Thor wins.
Batman lost to the friggin scarecrow.
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You tried using a fight scene which had Bruce BEFORE HE WAS TRAINED as some means to make him look lesser. You tried and I called you out on it.
Why are the same people holding The league of shadows in such high regard dismissing special agents trained by shield?
TLOS are elites in the DC movie-verse. Shield trained agents are also considered pretty elite in the marvel movieverse.
Since this is a movie version fight we have to go on what we saw. What parts of the nolan trilogy did batman look the most elite in his fighting skills? or are we basing it off word of mouth and rep of the league of shadows?
Also the person that said Thors hundreds of years of fighting experience wont be much of a factor because he is used to his hammer and having super powers..... He didn't look like he skipped a beat when taking out those shield agents with no powers. He didn't look lost without his powers. he did just fine against elite opposition.
Batman in the nolanverse was probably the best or one of the best league of shadows fighters. Thats cool i can agree to that, but on the other hand thats like WARD (being one of the best sheild/hydra fighters) becoming a crime fighter. He would be exactly like batman minus the money and bulky costume.
Originally posted by Inhuman
Why are the same people holding The league of shadows in such high regard dismissing special agents trained by shield?
TLOS are elites in the DC movie-verse. Shield trained agents are also considered pretty elite in the marvel movieverse.Since this is a movie version fight we have to go on what we saw. What parts of the nolan trilogy did batman look the most elite in his fighting skills? or are we basing it off word of mouth and rep of the league of shadows?
Also the person that said Thors hundreds of years of fighting experience wont be much of a factor because he is used to his hammer and having super powers..... He didn't look like he skipped a beat when taking out those shield agents with no powers. He didn't look lost without his powers. he did just fine against elite opposition.
Batman in the nolanverse was probably the best or one of the best league of shadows fighters. Thats cool i can agree to that, but on the other hand thats like WARD (being one of the best sheild/hydra fighters) becoming a crime fighter. He would be exactly like batman minus the money and bulky costume.
Agreed. And the thing is, we literally have no idea on just how skilled (or unskilled) the LoS ninjas are. I'm assuming that Ra's being the leader is a lot better than the average LoS ninja, and Bane being kicked out due to being to brutal is probably on a league of his own. So we don't really have a clue how good those LoS ninjas were that Batman beat. After all, if Bruce Wayne could study for a brief time with them and become the top student then, well, that doesn't reflect too well on the quality of the others.
Compare that to SHIELD agents, and even if we took out Black Widow and Hawkeye because they are the top agents, you still have Ward, May, Triplette, Coulson, Maria Hill, Garett, Rumlow... all of whom give us an idea of just how skilled a SHIELD field agent is... and Thor walked all over them.
Come to think of it, I don't recall Batman beating anyone of established skill. He didn't beat Ra's or Bane through skill, he beat them through tactics (using the environment and taking advantage of a weakness). Other than that, he beat up thugs and questionably skilled LoS ninjas. Heck, he even had trouble with Joker.
Originally posted by FrothByte👆
Agreed. And the thing is, we literally have no idea on just how skilled (or unskilled) the LoS ninjas are. I'm assuming that Ra's being the leader is a lot better than the average LoS ninja, and Bane being kicked out due to being to brutal is probably on a league of his own. So we don't really have a clue how good those LoS ninjas were that Batman beat. After all, if Bruce Wayne could study for a brief time with them and become the top student then, well, that doesn't reflect too well on the quality of the others.Compare that to SHIELD agents, and even if we took out Black Widow and Hawkeye because they are the top agents, you still have Ward, May, Triplette, Coulson, Maria Hill, Garett, Rumlow... all of whom give us an idea of just how skilled a SHIELD field agent is... and Thor walked all over them.
Come to think of it, I don't recall Batman beating anyone of established skill. He didn't beat Ra's or Bane through skill, he beat them through tactics (using the environment and taking advantage of a weakness). Other than that, he beat up thugs and questionably skilled LoS ninjas. Heck, he even had trouble with Joker.
Originally posted by FrothByteAgreed x2
Agreed. And the thing is, we literally have no idea on just how skilled (or unskilled) the LoS ninjas are. I'm assuming that Ra's being the leader is a lot better than the average LoS ninja, and Bane being kicked out due to being to brutal is probably on a league of his own. So we don't really have a clue how good those LoS ninjas were that Batman beat. After all, if Bruce Wayne could study for a brief time with them and become the top student then, well, that doesn't reflect too well on the quality of the others.Compare that to SHIELD agents, and even if we took out Black Widow and Hawkeye because they are the top agents, you still have Ward, May, Triplette, Coulson, Maria Hill, Garett, Rumlow... all of whom give us an idea of just how skilled a SHIELD field agent is... and Thor walked all over them.
Come to think of it, I don't recall Batman beating anyone of established skill. He didn't beat Ra's or Bane through skill, he beat them through tactics (using the environment and taking advantage of a weakness). Other than that, he beat up thugs and questionably skilled LoS ninjas. Heck, he even had trouble with Joker.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Come to think of it, I don't recall Batman beating anyone of established skill.
His skill was extraordinary. For as much as he had to take on by himself, he did a pretty good job considering he had vast amounts of people he had to deal with.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Batman moved very stiff and slow in his fights. Bad choreography I know, but if we were to take that as evidence of his fighting skill, then Thor is definitely faster and more agile.
One can sit here and rag on Batman's choreography being shit but I think you need to re watch some scenes from Thor...
Like this one..choreography is pretty horrible. It looks like it was choreographer from WWE did this scene.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Agreed with this.And I highly doubt Batman would just beast through a base of SHIELD agents 'easily'. These guys are the top of the top. Batman barely handled the SWAT team, and that was with a massive crutch. Even Coulson in the little Marvel shorts displayed some ridiculous skill.
Bats needs darkness and surprise to pull that kind of stuff off. Thor did it with skill and strength, in nothing but a t-shirt and jeans. Bats get his back broken even harder than the first time.
A shield Agent here means the same thing as say a SWAT Team, There is no staple of evidence to prove the people here at this base were these highly trained assassins as Coulson made them out to be, After all this is coming from the biggest talker, and exaggerator in Shield. His job is to talk a big game.
As for Batman needs stealth to do his work, funny you mention this since Thor did the exact same thing, went in at night with element of surprise sounds and looks familiar right?
You claims he took out "a base of shield agents" and those people are some greater in skill and number too the two swat teams Batman took down..He took down 6-7 shield agents at most including the big guy. Keep in mind, no one ever never fired a single bullet at him.
How many SWAT Team members and armed thugs that were actually shooting at him? I counted at least 20 or more in TDK scene. I saw zero shots being fired at Thor, Hawkeye never ever let arrow out.
Thor had trouble with the big guy at the end, and that guy would have had his neck snapped in 3 seconds by Bane. So Thor in mortal form took him down after a good fight. I am inclined to think that guy would have been a cake walk for Batman and Bane.
The fight comes down to how much damage you think Thor is brining and if that damage outweighs say Bane's hits.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
His skill was extraordinary. For as much as he had to take on by himself, he did a pretty good job considering he had vast amounts of people he had to deal with.One can sit here and rag on Batman's choreography being shit but I think you need to re watch some scenes from Thor...
Like this one..choreography is pretty horrible. It looks like it was choreographer from WWE did this scene.
A shield Agent here means the same thing as say a SWAT Team, There is no staple of evidence to prove the people here at this base were these highly trained assassins as Coulson made them out to be, After all this is coming from the biggest talker, and exaggerator in Shield. His job is to talk a big game.
As for Batman needs stealth to do his work, funny you mention this since Thor did the exact same thing, went in at night with element of surprise sounds and looks familiar right?
You claims he took out "a base of shield agents" and those people are some greater in skill and number too the two swat teams Batman took down..He took down 6-7 shield agents at most including the big guy. Keep in mind, no one ever never fired a single bullet at him.
How many SWAT Team members and armed thugs that were actually shooting at him? I counted at least 20 or more in TDK scene. I saw zero shots being fired at Thor, Hawkeye never ever let arrow out.
Thor had trouble with the big guy at the end, and that guy would have had his neck snapped in 3 seconds by Bane. So Thor in mortal form took him down after a good fight. I am inclined to think that guy would have been a cake walk for Batman and Bane.
The fight comes down to how much damage you think Thor is brining and if that damage outweighs say Bane's hits.
/boom
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
His skill was extraordinary. For as much as he had to take on by himself, he did a pretty good job considering he had vast amounts of people he had to deal with.One can sit here and rag on Batman's choreography being shit but I think you need to re watch some scenes from Thor...
Like this one..choreography is pretty horrible. It looks like it was choreographer from WWE did this scene.
A shield Agent here means the same thing as say a SWAT Team, There is no staple of evidence to prove the people here at this base were these highly trained assassins as Coulson made them out to be, After all this is coming from the biggest talker, and exaggerator in Shield. His job is to talk a big game.
As for Batman needs stealth to do his work, funny you mention this since Thor did the exact same thing, went in at night with element of surprise sounds and looks familiar right?
You claims he took out "a base of shield agents" and those people are some greater in skill and number too the two swat teams Batman took down..He took down 6-7 shield agents at most including the big guy. Keep in mind, no one ever never fired a single bullet at him.
How many SWAT Team members and armed thugs that were actually shooting at him? I counted at least 20 or more in TDK scene. I saw zero shots being fired at Thor, Hawkeye never ever let arrow out.
Thor had trouble with the big guy at the end, and that guy would have had his neck snapped in 3 seconds by Bane. So Thor in mortal form took him down after a good fight. I am inclined to think that guy would have been a cake walk for Batman and Bane.
The fight comes down to how much damage you think Thor is brining and if that damage outweighs say Bane's hits.
well said