Depowered Thor vs Batman

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
One can sit here and rag on Batman's choreography being shit but I think you need to re watch some scenes from Thor...

Like this one..choreography is pretty horrible. It looks like it was choreographer from WWE did this scene.

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Still I think that is more impressive than this slow methodical fight.

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The fight at the end is even worst. Again Post or tell me what is batman best scene that shows his most skill. I just watched a few to freshen my memory and they are all pretty slow and methodical like the bane fight.
Batman is a skilled fighter but I can post fight scenes from jason bourne, black widow, jason statham that all show more skill that nolan batman did.

A shield Agent here means the same thing as say a SWAT Team, There is no staple of evidence to prove the people here at this base were these highly trained assassins as Coulson made them out to be, After all this is coming from the biggest talker, and exaggerator in Shield. His job is to talk a big game.

As for Batman needs stealth to do his work, funny you mention this since Thor did the exact same thing, went in at night with element of surprise sounds and looks familiar right?

A sheild agent is way more impressive than a swat team member. So you are saying the swat team can produce people like , hawkeye, black widow, Ward, May, Triplette, Coulson, Maria Hill, Garett, Rumlow? You are hugely underestimating sheild. What staple of evidence is there that no name league of assassin guys are as deadly as swat team guys? Rep? word of mouth? league of shadows sounds badass so they must all be badass?

You claims he took out "a base of shield agents" and those people are some greater in skill and number too the two swat teams Batman took down..He took down 6-7 shield agents at most including the big guy. Keep in mind, no one ever never fired a single bullet at him.

How many SWAT Team members and armed thugs that were actually shooting at him? I counted at least 20 or more in TDK scene. I saw zero shots being fired at Thor, Hawkeye never ever let arrow out.

you mean the swat guys batman took out with stealth and gadgets?
I see alot of people duplicating that feat like batman with stealth and gadgets.
jason bourne, hawkeye, black widow, mission impossible tom cruise, etc.

Thor had trouble with the big guy at the end, and that guy would have had his neck snapped in 3 seconds by Bane. So Thor in mortal form took him down after a good fight. I am inclined to think that guy would have been a cake walk for Batman and Bane.

The fight comes down to how much damage you think Thor is brining and if that damage outweighs say Bane's hits.

Bane was strong but wasn't super human in any way. i don't know why you are overrating nolan Bane so much.

i explain here that banes feats in the dark knight rises were not anything that a strong man or martial artist (human) can duplicate or even exceed.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=598501&from=thread&pagenumber=2#post14804709

Originally posted by Robtard
Bruce wins. His H2H skills are at least equal to Thor's (arguably better on the technique side) and he is stronger.

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Originally posted by Inhuman
Still I think that is more impressive than this slow methodical fight.

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The fight at the end is even worst. Again Post or tell me what is batman best scene that shows his most skill. I just watched a few to freshen my memory and they are all pretty slow and methodical like the bane fight.
Batman is a skilled fighter but I can post fight scenes from jason bourne, black widow, jason statham that all show more skill that nolan batman did.

A sheild agent is way more impressive than a swat team member. So you are saying the swat team can produce people like , hawkeye, black widow, Ward, May, Triplette, Coulson, Maria Hill, Garett, Rumlow? You are hugely underestimating sheild. What staple of evidence is there that no name league of assassin guys are as deadly as swat team guys? Rep? word of mouth? league of shadows sounds badass so they must all be badass?

you mean the swat guys batman took out with stealth and gadgets?
I see alot of people duplicating that feat like batman with stealth and gadgets.
jason bourne, hawkeye, black widow, mission impossible tom cruise, etc.

Bane was strong but wasn't super human in any way. i don't know why you are overrating nolan Bane so much.

i explain here that banes feats in the dark knight rises were not anything that a strong man or martial artist (human) can duplicate or even exceed.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=598501&from=thread&pagenumber=2#post14804709

None of what you said refutes anything I said. Everything you said is wrong and most of it backs up my theory.

You're generic shield agent theory is crap because the agents you mentioned were plot devices, not the generic un named shield agents that Thor fought and were cannon fodder.

None of them even fired at Thor, even though armed.

Bane was strong enough to break concrete and break Batman's back, kill people with one hand. And it took basically a cannon to take him out. If this is not superhuman to you, I'm sorry but you need to read some comics and watch a movie.

Batman wins.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Still I think that is more impressive than this slow methodical fight.

YouTube video

The fight at the end is even worst. Again Post or tell me what is batman best scene that shows his most skill. I just watched a few to freshen my memory and they are all pretty slow and methodical like the bane fight.
Batman is a skilled fighter but I can post fight scenes from jason bourne, black widow, jason statham that all show more skill that nolan batman did.

A sheild agent is way more impressive than a swat team member. So you are saying the swat team can produce people like , hawkeye, black widow, Ward, May, Triplette, Coulson, Maria Hill, Garett, Rumlow? You are hugely underestimating sheild. What staple of evidence is there that no name league of assassin guys are as deadly as swat team guys? Rep? word of mouth? league of shadows sounds badass so they must all be badass?

you mean the swat guys batman took out with stealth and gadgets?
I see alot of people duplicating that feat like batman with stealth and gadgets.
jason bourne, hawkeye, black widow, mission impossible tom cruise, etc.

Bane was strong but wasn't super human in any way. i don't know why you are overrating nolan Bane so much.

i explain here that banes feats in the dark knight rises were not anything that a strong man or martial artist (human) can duplicate or even exceed.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=598501&from=thread&pagenumber=2#post14804709

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Agreed with this.

Considering it's complete nonsense, interesting side to take.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Considering it's complete nonsense, interesting side to take.

Batmans fight with Bane was a skilless brawl. Its like some child who tried to step up to the school bully only to get beat down and humiliated. Bourne, Widow, Jason, Statham, Cap/Bucky/Batroc, Hunt, and plenty more have shown significantly more skill in their respective fight scenes.

Deadlifting two hundred pounds over your head? Not super human. And he didn't break Batmans back with his own hand. He dropped him and his knee made contact with his spine. Gravity did all the work. Not superhuman. That pillar he cracked open? It didn't look like it was anything super hard or reinforced. It came off as shitty sand-filled plaster or really thin concrete, like the wall of any typical house. It clearly wasn't marble or super solid concrete or anything like that. There are plenty of accounts of people who have broken concrete, and they didn't have any amazing strength. Not superhuman.

The League of Shadows? Not impressive, considering some rich boy walked into their home, and rose through the ranks to the top spot in little time. The only thing that made them a force to be reckoned with was the fact that they had infiltrated every part of the city, and were willing to do some pretty immoral things to places they deemed unworthy. Fighting skill wise, not very impressive.

Everything he said was on point. Its a far cry from nonsense, to be sure.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
None of what you said refutes anything I said. Everything you said is wrong and most of it backs up my theory.

You're generic shield agent theory is crap because the agents you mentioned were plot devices, not the generic un named shield agents that Thor fought and were cannon fodder.

None of them even fired at Thor, even though armed.

Bane was strong enough to break concrete and break Batman's back, kill people with one hand. And it took basically a cannon to take him out. If this is not superhuman to you, I'm sorry but you need to read some comics and watch a movie.

Batman wins.

If you want to claim that the "generic" SHIELD agent is not that skilled, it's up to you to prove it. Because as far as we have seen, every SHIELD agent that has a fight scene (that's not against Captain America or Thor) has shown pretty great h2h skills. Even agents who are not known for being top of the line h2h fighters like Coulson or Maria Hill have shown skill, at least moreso than any of those SWAT or LoS ninjas have.

So if you want to claim that the SHIELD agents that took on Thor are at a lower league, then you have to prove it.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I'm sorry but you need to read some comics and watch a movie.

Batman wins.

this is movie version not comic version. very different animal.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
What part? On average, SHIELD agents have proven to be much more impressive than a SWAT agent.

Batmans fight with Bane was a skilless brawl. Its like some child who tried to step up to the school bully only to get beat down and humiliated. Bourne, Widow, Jason, Statham, Cap/Bucky/Batroc, Hunt, and plenty more have shown significantly more skill in their respective fight scenes.

Deadlifting two hundred pounds over your head? Not super human. And he didn't break Batmans back with his own hand. He dropped him and his knee made contact with his spine. Gravity did all the work. Not superhuman. That pillar he cracked open? It didn't look like it was anything super hard or reinforced. It came off as shitty sand-filled plaster or really thin concrete, like the wall of any typical house. It clearly wasn't marble or super solid concrete or anything like that. There are plenty of accounts of people who have broken concrete, and they didn't have any amazing strength. Not superhuman.

The League of Shadows? Not impressive, considering some rich boy walked into their home, and rose through the ranks to the top spot in little time. The only thing that made them a force to be reckoned with was the fact that they had infiltrated every part of the city, and were willing to do some pretty immoral things to places they deemed unworthy. Fighting skill wise, not very impressive.

Everything he said was on point. Its a far cry from nonsense, to be sure.

That really was not how the fight went down and you know it. Batman weighed way more then 200lbs. That was his base weight without armor, armor added another 40-60lbs. And it was not just a dead lift, a dead lift is when you pick a weight up from the ground and lift it to your waist and set it down, he completely put him over his body. Also, IDK if you lift weights but lifting a weight that is designed tp be lifted is completely different lifting a body. Go try and pick someone up, you will not be able to.

Your league of shadows is biased and full of crap. A rich boy walked in? He had been training for years before he got recruited by Ras. Didn't you watch the movie? The prison scene, his climb to the top of the mountain? You keep acting like he has a 5th grader with zero training.

As for this?

"and were willing to do some pretty immoral things to places they deemed unworthy."

This is laughable argument as the whole reason Thor was in this situation was because he was deemed unworthy.

Try again.

TE is absolutely correct there, comparing the lifting of Bruce to just a given amount of weight is a faulty argument.

I can grab a 85lbs dumbbell in each hand and lift them up and over my head, full arms extended. I can do this, because the weights are easy to grab, the weight is evenly distributed across my arms/back/shoulders and I've trained myself to do it.

I do not believe I could grab a 170lbs person or two 85lbs midgets and lift them similarly.

Thor's showing against the Shield agents was impressive.

Batman's showings against the inmates and in general is meh compared to the Thor feat. IMO

however, i never understood why people assume Thor is a bad ass cuz "centuries of experience" Doesn't matter. Thor has always relied heavily on his weapon and fists. It's not like he's a martial arts master. Centuries of street brawling or using the same tactics doesn't necessarily mean you will overcome a guy with more of a variety of skill.

Originally posted by Raisen
Thor's showing against the Shield agents was impressive.

Batman's showings against the inmates and in general is meh compared to the Thor feat. IMO

however, i never understood why people assume Thor is a bad ass cuz "centuries of experience" Doesn't matter. Thor has always relied heavily on his weapon and fists. It's not like he's a martial arts master. Centuries of street brawling or using the same tactics doesn't necessarily mean you will overcome a guy with more of a variety of skill.

Yes it would be like Superman losing his powers and somehow how he could now beat Batman up.🙂

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Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yes it would be like Superman losing his powers and somehow how he could now beat Batman up.🙂

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many people simply throw terms out like "god" or "centuries of experience" and act like it's an auto win. thor is a slugger for the most part. he's been slugging, hammer smashing, and occasionally dodging for centuries. that's what he does.

Originally posted by Raisen
many people simply throw terms out like "god" or "centuries of experience" and act like it's an auto win. thor is a slugger for the most part. he's been slugging, hammer smashing, and occasionally dodging for centuries. that's what he does.

Very true

Im not basing off the notion that Thor had centuries of training.
Im basing off the fighting skill Thor showed when depowered and with no hammer.
He didnt just take on and beat some street thugs. He took and and bested shield agents. Meaning he took on some of the most highly trained humans around and bested them.
Plus the scene that thor accomplished this IMO is more impressive that any Nolan batman scene i can think of. All the scenes that ive re-watched recently have batman fighting stiff and sluggish compared to the thor scene.
Ive been asking for a particular scene that shows batmans skill the most. No one has posted or said which one it is.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Yes it would be like Superman losing his powers and somehow how he could now beat Batman up.🙂

No, that is not the same.
Superman has never shown any fighting skill without any powers in any of his movies. So why would I think he could beat up batman if powerless?
Thor on the other hand handled himself fine taking out elite skilled men without his powers or hammer.

Originally posted by Inhuman

Plus the scene that thor accomplished this IMO is more impressive that any Nolan batman scene i can think of.

He admits to cat woman that the people they are fighting are not ordinary street thugs, they are trained killers and mercenary's. Alfred confers with him on banes training, strength, speed and ferocity.

Yes Thor fought 6 shield agents, is that greater than or equal to everything Batman did in three movies? I don't believe it is. Sure if this was Bruce Wayne without his suit, he would be stomped out. I am inclined to think with his suit it gives him an equal playing field and Thor's short and brief run through the base would not undercut everything Batman did in 3 movies.

Think of Bane vs Thor, is Thor going to walk all over Bane now because he he beat 6 shield agents? IMO, Bane would have walked though that base easier then Thor did.

Originally posted by Raisen
Thor's showing against the Shield agents was impressive.

Batman's showings against the inmates and in general is meh compared to the Thor feat. IMO

however, i never understood why people assume Thor is a bad ass cuz "centuries of experience" Doesn't matter. Thor has always relied heavily on his weapon and fists. It's not like he's a martial arts master. Centuries of street brawling or using the same tactics doesn't necessarily mean you will overcome a guy with more of a variety of skill.

Thor has displayed in his movies that he is not simply a brawler. I'll never understand why people equate "good fighting skill" with "fancy moves". Why would you think that Batman has more variety of skill? Is it because he does spinning heel kicks and Thor doesn't?

Thor fights primarily with Mjolnir (which is the whole point of having a weapon in the first place) and with his fists secondly, but he's also used elbows, knees, kicks and grappling throughout the MCU movies.

Plus, I'd go as far to say that Thor IS a martial arts master. People automatically associate "martial arts" with eastern martial arts, like kung-fu, karate, taekwondo, etc. People forget that the term "martial arts" actually originated from the west, and that western martial arts are just as old if not older than eastern martial arts, and that they're just as efficient if not more so. Martial arts like boxing, wrestling, savate, krav maga, abrazare are all effective martial arts despite them not having fancy moves (well maybe savate a little).

Point is, Thor doesn't need to do fancy kicks to become a martial arts master. He's shown plenty skill. In a deleted scene in Thor TDW he took out 4 armed Asgardian guards while being unarmed himself. He evaded pretty much all of Hulk's punches (aside from the sucker punch) and even caught Ironman's punch in his grip. Granted, he did all of these while being superpowered but considering his opponents were also superpowered then it speaks highly of his skill.

Given that it was Thor's first real fight after losing his strength/durability I'd say the Shield scene was very impressive...I doubt Bane could do the same if he was put in a average human body.

That said, Batman having armor for this fight pretty much makes the outcome obvious.

Originally posted by FrothByte

Point is, Thor doesn't need to do fancy kicks to become a martial arts master. He's shown plenty skill. In a deleted scene in Thor TDW he took out 4 armed Asgardian guards while being unarmed himself.

It was deleted for a reason, hence it was deleted, not seen in the movie, therefore not applicable to this fight. And its actually shit because having all his power he should have rofl stomped those guys considering he went H2H with Hulk, so lets not get into that one. I'll act like I never saw that scene and will not count it against him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Given that it was Thor's first real fight after losing his strength/durability I'd say the Shield scene was very impressive...I doubt Bane could do the same if he was put in a average human body.

That said, Batman having armor for this fight pretty much makes the outcome obvious.

This is a fair assessment for both sides and very true.