Vulcan wins and to answer everyones question yes, Vulcan can manipulate/control magic.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/449323-vulcan_vs_adam_warlock_super_zpsec569bca.jpg.html?sort=9&o=24
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/449324-vulcan_vs_adam_warlock_2_super_zps573fd370.jpg.html?sort=9&o=25
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Warlock used "quantum magic", I'm not sure if that's the same form of magic that, say, Strange/Asgardians (eldritch) or Scarlet Witch/Chthon (chaos magic) use. It was left a bit ambiguous. I don't know if Vulcan could, say, remove Mjolnir's enchantments with a gesture or something like that, though he could possibly manipulate a bolt of Thor's lightning, for example. I don't know if he'd be able to just cancel Loki's spell casting.
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
I dont know much on vulcan, but unless he can manip the magic, hes down for a beating
I just posted scans of him manipulating magic. That isn't a problem for him at all. Can someone post scans of Loki doing spells mid battle, at least more than one because if this is a blasting match, Loki gets mud stomped.
Originally posted by carver9
I just posted scans of him manipulating magic. That isn't a problem for him at all. Can someone post scans of Loki doing spells mid battle, at least more than one because if this is a blasting match, Loki gets mud stomped.
Alright.
Here he defeats the x-men with a multi-directional blast from a single finger.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower04UXMAnnual9.jpg
On a more impressive scale, Loki blasts the entire Thor Corps off their feet.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower06441.jpgp
Follows up by rendering both Bill & Masterson Thor senseless with mystical blasts.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower07.jpg
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower08.jpg.html
Loki can emit omnidirectional blasts that stagger even an amped Seth.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower09JIM513.jpg
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Alright.Here he defeats the x-men with a multi-directional blast from a single finger.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower04UXMAnnual9.jpgOn a more impressive scale, Loki blasts the entire Thor Corps off their feet.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower06441.jpgpFollows up by rendering both Bill & Masterson Thor senseless with mystical blasts.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower07.jpg
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower08.jpg.htmlLoki can emit omnidirectional blasts that stagger even an amped Seth.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower09JIM513.jpg
Are you really posting blasting scans against someone that can control energy? Really? The last thing Loki wants to do in this match is shoot something out of his hands. With that said, Vulcan gets the majority.
He'll cast a spell of silence to shut him up....
But I think Loki will be using his tricks to fool the not so sharp Vulcan.
Illusions, Clones, Matter Manip, Mind Games, fill Vulcans head with, well whatever he wants, Sorcery, Teleportation, Invisibilty, Phasing, Soul attacks, Binding, Soul binding.
Hell, a simple BFR would work.
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
He'll cast a spell of silence to shut him up....But I think Loki will be using his tricks to fool the not so sharp Vulcan.
Illusions, Clones, Matter Manip, Mind Games, fill Vulcans head with, well whatever he wants, Sorcery, Teleportation, Invisibilty, Phasing, Soul attacks, Binding, Soul binding.
Hell, a simple BFR would work.
Are any of those things in character for Loki during a battle? Vulcan messing with his internal and external energy is something that is in character for him. Loki is a blaster, he does it in all of his battle which from the onset would let Vulcan know he is an energy wielding being which will also open a door for Vulcan to use Loki own power against him or simple rip him up from the inside out.
Illusion won't work. Hell, Vulcan can cast illusions as well. Clones are energy based beings...won't work. Mind games won't work. Matter Manipulating would require energy that would go straight back at Loki. Your best bet is spells and I want to see Loki using this during mid battle, more than once.
Originally posted by carver9
Are any of those things in character for Loki during a battle? Vulcan messing with his internal and external energy is something that is in character for him. Loki is a blaster, he does it in all of his battle which from the onset would let Vulcan know he is an energy wielding being which will also open a door for Vulcan to use Loki own power against him or simple rip him up from the inside out.Illusion won't work. Hell, Vulcan can cast illusions as well. Clones are energy based beings...won't work. Mind games won't work. Matter Manipulating would require energy that would go straight back at Loki. Your best bet is spells and I want to see Loki using this during mid battle, more than once.
Why wouldn't mind games work?
I'm thinking hypnosis.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's TP, not hypnosis.
A couple of issues after that Rachel tried illusion casting again (it was against a different character though). It will not work and Vulcan is able to cast illusions as well so I guess this will be a illusion casting battle.
Also, why are you providing scans that was done back in the 60's? You don't have any recent or later material?
Originally posted by carver9
A couple of issues after that Rachel tried illusion casting again (it was against a different character though). It will not work and Vulcan is able to cast illusions as well so I guess this will be a illusion casting battle.Also, why are you providing scans that was done back in the 60's? You don't have any recent or later material?
Illusion casting =/= hypnosis. Otherwise, Batman is able to cast illusions. And we don''t want that, do we?
Why, does it matter if I'm using old scans? Besides the hypnosis, anyway, he turned Bor, a VERY powerful guy, into snow. Recently.
Originally posted by carver9If it is still canon it doesn't matter. We also have a more recent example. Quit ignoring what you don't like. It sets a bad precedent.
A couple of issues after that Rachel tried illusion casting again (it was against a different character though). It will not work and Vulcan is able to cast illusions as well so I guess this will be a illusion casting battle.Also, why are you providing scans that was done back in the 60's? You don't have any recent or later material?
