Carver, in character is not PIS ON.
You think fight in character is = PIS. IT is not. Read KMC rules again:
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Carver, in character is not PIS ON.You think fight in character is = PIS. IT is not. Read KMC rules again:
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics.
But yet they fight in character. Again, if we are using your way of debating... Surfer beats Superman 10/10 (honestly any herald), Superman beats Thor 10/10, and a recent fist fight match that is on this board between Prime and Thanos, Prime stomps him 10/10. Hell, Superman or Wonder Woman would stomp him 10/10 via speed blitz/strength. Anyone that doesn't have speed would die to Thor and his power out put. I could literally just spam a Thor thread saying "Thor wins via soul suck". Or a Surfer thread saying "Surfer wins via black hole to the brain". Lol...debating like you are trying to throw out, no one would beat my Surfer short of Galactus. Their powers are in play but they are still in character.
this thread is hilarious....
if loki blasts him, vulcan could take control of the energy though i don't think he could really do much harm with it. there is precedent for that at least. however, there is NO precedent for his being able to negate, control, resist the more esoteric abilities loki has. i guess vulcan could try draining him but that's pretty iffy. basically you either speculate vulcan can do some things he hasn't done, or you vote loki.
if they met in a comic i certainly don't see loki turning him into a tree or anything like that. i think it would be an entertaining stalemate most likely. in a forum setting, based on feats, it's pretty much impossible not to give loki the win.
Originally posted by leonidas
this thread is hilarious....if loki blasts him, vulcan could take control of the energy though i don't think he could really do much harm with it. there is precedent for that at least. however, there is NO precedent for his being able to negate, control, resist the more esoteric abilities loki has. i guess vulcan could try draining him but that's pretty iffy. basically you either speculate vulcan can do some things he hasn't done, or you vote loki.
if they met in a comic i certainly don't see loki turning him into a tree or anything like that. i think it would be an entertaining stalemate most likely. in a forum setting, based on feats, it's pretty much impossible not to give loki the win.
Vulcan has drained people before, plenty of times. He has also cut people off from their power, more than once. It seems like there are more speculation on you all part than it is for Vulcan. What exotic abilities? Show me him using them 'during combat'.
I honestly believe Vulcan can manipulate magic (hell, I even argued it in a tourney once, and wrote at length on the subject). That said, I don't think Vulcan would beat Loki. Capability is one thing, execution is another.
Originally posted by carver9
But yet they fight in character. Again, if we are using your way of debating... Surfer beats Superman 10/10 (honestly any herald), Superman beats Thor 10/10, and a recent fist fight match that is on this board between Prime and Thanos, Prime stomps him 10/10. Hell, Superman or Wonder Woman would stomp him 10/10 via speed blitz/strength. Anyone that doesn't have speed would die to Thor and his power out put. I could literally just spam a Thor thread saying "Thor wins via soul suck". Or a Surfer thread saying "Surfer wins via black hole to the brain". Lol...debating like you are trying to throw out, no one would beat my Surfer short of Galactus. Their powers are in play but they are still in character.
Read the rules again, please.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Still not answers my question,Carver.In your opinion, how would Loki fight?
Simple enough question. You keep arguing that none of us are using Loki's character, so what is YOuR take on him?
However he fights on panel. Same with Vulcan. If Vulcan just blasted 99.9 percent of the time, I'm not going to say he would blitz the entire fight. I would lean towards what he does majority of the time on panel.
Originally posted by carver9How does he fight on panel ? If you don't know the answer you can't say how he doesn't fight.
However he fights on panel. Same with Vulcan. If Vulcan just blasted 99.9 percent of the time, I'm not going to say he would blitz the entire fight. I would lean towards what he does majority of the time on panel.
Loki has also cut Hulk off from his power with ease and turned him back into banner.
Loki wins this with overwhelming illusions, tricks and power sapping spells.
He is to smart to lose this one.
Transmutation or mind rape for the win.
Lets not forget he drove Reed Richards insane by filling his head with Chaos Math.