Originally posted by Emperordmb
I know that feeling. There was this one jackass on this forum I used to be on, and here's some of the bullshit he liked to say:
"Kolar>Malgus>Bane as duelists."
"Kit Fisto is just better than Darth Krayt."
"Obi-Wan is just better than Darth Malgus."
"Darth Maul is just better than Exar Kun"
"Saying that Malgus would beat Fisto because he is more powerful is lolworthy."
"How is Bane beating Ventress?"
"Vos>Bane."
"Admit Bane's limitations, restrictions, failure, weakness, and inferiority."
"Top Ten Most Powerful Sith Lords... 10. Savage Opress."
In-fact, you would be surprised to learn what goes in the SWTOR official forum. People lie, make stuff up, rank Caedus higher then Emperor Vitiate, one even ranked Kun higher then Emperor Vitiate, assume that Revan is no match for Yoda, Vader will crush Nyriss beneath his boot (won't be even a fight), and some other gems.
If somebody dares to challenge these beliefs, he gets ridiculed and overlooked.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I wouldn't exactly call saying Vitiate is One level, or Sidious and Bane aren't close to Thanaton's power a balanced viewpoint.
I did not suggest that Bane and Sidious do not match Thanaton on the whole; rather that they may not match Thanaton's proficiency in lightning application.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
And do tell, what is this great discovery?
It had been theorized by Jedi and Sith alike that balance between the light and dark sides was actually under the guidance of a group of discorporate entities—the ones called the Celestials, perhaps—who had merged themselves with the Force thousands of generations earlier, and had continued to guide the fate of the galaxy ever since. In effect, a higher order of intermediaries, whose powers were beyond the understanding of mortal beings. But many Sith viewed the notion with disdain, for the theoretical existence of such a group had little bearing on the goal of making the Force subservient to the will of an enlightened elite. Only the Sith understood that sentient life was on the verge of a transformative leap; that through the manipulation of midi-chlorians—or the overthrow of the Forceful group that supervised them—the divide between organic life and the Force could be bridged, and death could be erased from the continuum.
That unnatural methods are a pathway to great power such as Sith sorcery and midichlorian manipulation.
From General Grievous's profile:
General Grievous was a brilliant Separatist military strategist and a feared Jedi hunter, known for his ruthlessness and hacking cough. His body itself was a weapon, allowing him lightning quick strikes and devastating blows. But he was also quick to run from a fight, a tactic that until one final meeting with Obi-Wan Kenobi.
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"Meanwhile, Sidious duels the Sith Brothers, never wavering from his position of superiority. Fueled by the dark side, Sidious is transformed into in agile, whirlwind of destruction. He strikes down Savage, killing the monstrous Nightbrother....Maul attempts to avenge his brother's death, but he simply cannot defeat Sidious' power. Sidious disarms his former apprentice, batters him with Force pushes, and inundates him with Sith Lightning. Sidious cackles with glee as he tortures Maul. He cryptically notes that he does not intend to kill Maul. No, Sidious has other uses for the defeated Sith Lord."
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Indeed.In-fact, you would be surprised to learn what goes in the SWTOR official forum. People lie, make stuff up, rank Caedus higher then Emperor Vitiate, one even ranked Kun higher then Emperor Vitiate, assume that Revan is no match for Yoda, Vader will crush Nyriss beneath his boot (won't be even a fight), and some other gems.
If somebody dares to challenge these beliefs, he gets ridiculed and overlooked.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
See, this is the problem. Whatever Lucas creates, is supposed to be unrivalled and unparalleled. Thankfully, Disney is considering an open-minded approach.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I did not suggest that Bane and Sidious do not match Thanaton on the whole; rather that they may not match Thanaton's proficiency in lightning application.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This:It had been theorized by Jedi and Sith alike that balance between the light and dark sides was actually under the guidance of a group of discorporate entities—the ones called the Celestials, perhaps—who had merged themselves with the Force thousands of generations earlier, and had continued to guide the fate of the galaxy ever since. In effect, a higher order of intermediaries, whose powers were beyond the understanding of mortal beings. But many Sith viewed the notion with disdain, for the theoretical existence of such a group had little bearing on the goal of making the Force subservient to the will of an enlightened elite. Only the Sith understood that sentient life was on the verge of a transformative leap; that through the manipulation of midi-chlorians—or the overthrow of the Forceful group that supervised them—the divide between organic life and the Force could be bridged, and death could be erased from the continuum.
That unnatural methods are a pathway to great power such as Sith sorcery and midichlorian manipulation.
Yeah, SWL has been on my ignore list for many moons, but the snippets I've seen as quoted by other people have left little doubt that he's the silliest debater here. Neph is about as close as it gets to someone who defends SWL, and even he routinely calls him out on his BS. He's just not a good debater.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Caedus>Vitiate is not that far fetched relatively speaking.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
By... deleting everything not made by Lucas?
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Based on Thanaton one shotting his past self in a dream.
In addition, Nox used unnatural methods to tank Thanaton's powers.
It baffles me that Thanaton would cause so much butt-hurt to some.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yes... those few paragraphs pretty much confirmed that Vitiate is not One level 👆
However, notable point is that it is believed that 'The Ones' can manipulate the Force better then mortals in general, not necessarily everybody.
Lightning that can shatter mountains.
Able to deflect/deactivate lightsabers with their bare-hands.
Ability to transform into any shape at will.
Defeated the Kenobi/Anakin/Ahsoka team in seconds.
Confirmed to be more powerful then the likes of Abeloth.
Can only be killed by the Dagger of Mortis.
I can continue, if you wish.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Reasons?
I'm not saying Caedus would win per se, but it would be a decent fight. Caedus is easily in the top 5 Sith.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Even the younger-self of Thanaton have demonstrated the capability to tolerate one of the most formidable bursts of lightning. So Thanaton (prime) managing to one-shot a person of such a strength is something to behold.
"Dream sequences" are also hardly the most accurate displays of power.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In addition, Nox used unnatural methods to tank Thanaton's powers.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, they represent POV of Plagueis. He doesn't knows much about Emperor Vitiate.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The notable point of sharing that information is that it is believed that The Ones can manipulate the Force better then mortals in general, not necessarily everybody.
They also already have a G canon quote saying that they are more powerful than any Jedi have seen before so...
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Lightning that can shatter mountains.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Able to deflect/deactivate lightsabers with their bare-hands.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Ability to transform into any shape at will.
Dread Masters can do more actually:
- Alter reality
- Bring dead back to life
- Telepathically turn large number of sentient beings simultaneously in to mindless slaves (unwitting pawns).
- Summon monstrosities out of nowhere
Most importantly:-
In his relentless pursuit of immortality, the Emperor explored the most sinister, uncharted depths of the dark side.
What does this revelation tells you?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Defeated the Kenobi/Anakin/Ahsoka team in seconds.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Confirmed to be more powerful then the likes of Abeloth.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Can only be killed by the Dagger of Mortis.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I can continue, if you wish.