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Originally posted by ares834
And?

Yoda is not invincible and unstoppable, right?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Caedus has excellent TK feats, is a boss physically, is a master duelist, and managed to slug it out with Luke for a bit.

I'm not saying Caedus would win per se, but it would be a decent fight. Caedus is easily in the top 5 Sith.


Caedus being among the finest is not an issue, the suggestion that he is equal to and/or stronger then Emperor Vitiate is baseless.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Didn't Teneb Kel go out like a ***** to Exal's lightning?

He didn't die from it.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
"Dream sequences" are also hardly the most accurate displays of power.

Visions are always correct. Point is that they represent possibilities and may or may not come true.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
That doesn't mean that that's the limit of what it would take to tank his powers. Nox casually tanked it, that hardly demonstrates a limit.

Once again, Nox would not have casually tanked it or tanked it all without drawing strength from several Force spirits. Try to understand the ground reality instead of portraying Nox like a regular.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yet he knows more about the Ones' limits than Vitiate's?

Emperor Vitiate had mostly been shrouded in mystery, apparent from journals of Jedi historians. He didn't share much of his knowledge with others either.

In-fact, much of the ancient treasures about Sith had been lost by the time of Plagueis, some records have been destroyed by one of the Bannite Sith as well. Plagueis also didn't make much effort in trying to uncover ancient treasures.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Plagueis said that Vitiate wasn't even on Celestial level, mush less the Ones who are essentially evolved Celestials.

First of all, Plagueis labeled The Ones as Celestials; confirmed by author James Luceno himself and also apparent from the revelation itself since The Ones lasted thousands of generations.

Secondly, Plagueis do have much idea about ground realities of Emperor Vitiate. Plagueis thought that Emperor Vitiate lasted 1000 years but in reality the latter Sith lasted over 1300 years and would have continued to exist if Jedi and Sith had not stopped him.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
They also already have a G canon quote saying that they are more powerful than any Jedi have seen before so...

Which is contradicted by BioWare.

So we are dealing with contradiction in this matter or lets say multiple possibilities.

Originally posted by ares834
You mean the non-canon one?

The official databank is non-canon?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yoda is not invincible and unstoppable, right?

Whoever said he was? I'm just not so sure what you are laughing about. You act as if this is some big "revelation" that somehoe belittles Yoda. It isn't. We've know that Yoda was almost killed since RotS.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The official databank is non-canon?

Hmm, I wonder... Could I be talking about the databank or the now non-canon novel... Seriously, lets use a modicum of common sense here.

Originally posted by ares834
Seriously, lets use a modicum of common sense here.

😐

Did you genuinely just make that request of him?

Darth Maul Databank: "The Sith fought with blinding speed and impressive agility, and stabbed Jinn through with his red double-bladed lightsaber"

Originally posted by ares834
Whoever said he was? I'm just not so sure what you are laughing about. You act as if this is some big "revelation" that somehoe belittles Yoda. It isn't. We've know that Yoda was almost killed since RotS.

Oh really?

Put Yoda in a versus thread and he never looses unless the names are Sidious and Luke.

Also, Clone troopers could have killed Yoda.

Originally posted by ares834
Hmm, I wonder... Could I be talking about the databank or the now non-canon novel... Seriously, lets use a modicum of common sense here.

I am not sure what your point is.

I just pointed out that the latest canon revelation about power of The Ones is compatible with the revelation of the same in Star Wars: Darth Plaguies.

Don't lecture me about common sense when you are acting devoid of it yourself.

Clone troopers could have killed Yoda.

You mean the entire army stationed on Coruscant?
They would have done the same to Vitiate. 😬

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You mean the entire army stationed on Coruscant?
They would have done the same to Vitiate. 😬

Yoda wasn't on Coruscant, he was on Kashyyyk where a battle between Separatists and Republic clone armies was taking place. Yoda had to flee from there or else would have been targeted for assassination after Order 66.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Also, Clone troopers could have killed Yoda.

Where does it say that? The Clones have space ships and the like as well you know. Not that it matter, throw enough Clones at Yoda and of course he would die.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am not sure what your point is?

That you are attempting to use a quote from one continuity in some feeble attempt to discredit a being in another.

Not that it matters. The Ones are still "beings more powerful with the Force than any Jedi have seen before" in both continuities.

And narration from the Clone Wars TV series, due to its canon standing, outweighs any statement from the SWTOR Encyclopedia... let alone a mere implication from it.

The Ones > any and all Sith, which includes Vitiate. Deal with it.

Originally posted by ares834
Where does it say that? Not that it matter, throw enough Clones at Yoda and of course he would die.

This wasn't the sentiment back then when Yoda was regularly touted as the most powerful Jedi in history.

Now, suddenly, people have started to see his limits? Give me a break.

Originally posted by ares834
That you are attempting to use a quote from one continuity in some feeble attempt to discredit a being in another.

Not that it matters. The Ones are still "beings more powerful with the Force than any Jedi have seen before" in both continuities.


Two sources have pointed out that The Ones can manipulate the Force in ways unlike any mortal.

The revelation that you are pointing out is older, not that I suggest you don't consider it but it is contradicted by BioWare. Interestingly, Disney is not promoting The Ones as the most powerful Force-users the Jedi have ever seen, in its official databank.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yoda wasn't on Coruscant, he was on Kashyyyk where a battle between Separatists and Republic clone armies was taking place. Yoda had to flee from there or else would have been targeted for assassination after Order 66.

I thought you were referring to when Palpatine orders the clones to execute Yoda after their battle.
However, the entire forces on Kashyyk could also overcome probably all. There were thousands upon thousands present.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This wasn't the sentiment back then when Yoda was regularly touted as the most powerful Jedi in history.

Now, suddenly, people have started to see his limits? Give me a break.

What? Just because he is the most powerful Jedi in history doesn't mean he doesn't have limits.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Two sources have pointed out The Ones can manipulate the Force in ways unlike any mortal.

The revelation that you are pointing out is older, not that I suggest you don't consider it but it is contradicted by BioWare.

T-canon > C-canon (or N-canon if you prefer 😉).... So no, Bioware does not overwrite it.

Yeah, check on Wookieepedia.
There were an *insane* amount of clones on Kashyyk.
Without a doubt "thousands upon thousands."

Originally posted by ares834
What? Just because he is the most powerful Jedi in history doesn't mean he doesn't have limits.

I am not interested in your perceptions about this.

Focus on those who always vouch for Yoda in a versus thread.

Originally posted by ares834
T-canon > C-canon (or N-canon if you prefer 😉).... So no, Bioware does not overwrite it.

If SWTOR gets canonized, I will have the last laugh.

No, I will not dismiss Legends data. Disney management have not disregarded it either.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yeah, check on Wookieepedia.
There were an *insane* amount of clones on Kashyyk.
Without a doubt "thousands upon thousands."

And the entire army would try to kill Yoda while preoccupied with Separatist forces?

It is not dismissing.
It is rather that T-Canon holds more weight.

SWL
If SWTOR gets canonized, I will have the last laugh.

😐

I shouldn't have taken you off ignore... 😬

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If SWTOR gets canonized, I will have the last laugh.

No, I will not dismiss Legends data.

Well, the CW is canon so the Others are the most powerful force users...

Basically, I'm laughing right now.