Revan and HOT run the Gauntlet

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Question, wasn't the fact that Revan and Malak were already heading toward the darkside it made it easy for Vitiate to dominate their minds.

If you are a darksider is it easier for Vitiate to dominate your mind?

Originally posted by Kotor3
I do not see either being more powerful than Revan when it comes to will power and Revan had to prepare himself.

Bane also has some of the best willpower feats in the whole mythos, and Zannah resisted his attempt to bodysnatch her. They are both very impressive when it comes to mental fortitude.

He needs prep, but the OP doesn't say without prep. And even if he didn't mind dominate them at first, his performance during the Chapter 2 finale shows that he has plenty of ways in defending himself and then dominating while you're recovering. If Revan didn't need to worry about it at all for the reasons you gave, he wouldn't have gone through the effort of teaching the Exile and Scourge.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Question, wasn't the fact that Revan and Malak were already heading toward the darkside it made it easy for Vitiate to dominate their minds.

If you are a darksider is it easier for Vitiate to dominate your mind?


I don't believe it's that cut and dry. Vitiate was able to complete their fall, that is why Revan and Malak stayed on the Dark Side even after breaking his domination, similar to Tol Braga, who was Dark Side of his on volition.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Question, wasn't the fact that Revan and Malak were already heading toward the darkside it made it easy for Vitiate to dominate their minds.

If you are a darksider is it easier for Vitiate to dominate your mind?

Perhaps, but there's no evidence. Rather, those who are already in the midst of internal conflict are probably easier for Vitiate to subdue and enthrall. Which would make sense.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Not to make this a separate discussion but I do not agree.

Show me where Bane displays his force superiority over Zannah.

that said, they're not the ones facing Vitiate in this thread. It's Revan and the hero of tython. Both together should take Vitiate.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Bane also has some of the best willpower feats in the whole mythos, and Zannah resisted his attempt to bodysnatch her. They are both very impressive when it comes to mental fortitude.

I hear ya.

Are there any examples of someone resisting Vitiate mind rape without first experiencing it?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
He needs prep, but the OP doesn't say without prep. And even if he didn't mind dominate them at first, his performance during the Chapter 2 finale shows that he has plenty of ways in defending himself and then dominating while you're recovering.

No one's suggesting that Viti is fangless in such a state, just that Bane and Zannah are more than powerful enough to exploit that sort of vulnerability.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
If Revan didn't need to worry about it at all for the reasons you gave, he wouldn't have gone through the effort of teaching the Exile and Scourge.

Not at all. It could be that Revan, the consummate tactician who was once subjugated by Viti, took extra precautions to protect himself from a second successful attempt and wanted to maximize his chances of victory by imparting that same technique to his teammates.

But given Revan's lousy tactics when dealing with Viti to begin with, I understand your skepticism.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I hear ya.

Are there any examples of someone resisting Vitiate mind rape without first experiencing it?


Are there any examples of Vitiate successfully mindraping somebody in combat?

Word of God already declared that Viti can't pull that shit off on the fly against any powerful Jedi or Sith. Therefore the burden of proof falls squarely on those contesting that notion.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Show me where Bane displays his force superiority over Zannah.

that said, they're not the ones facing Vitiate in this thread. It's Revan and the hero of tython. Both together should take Vitiate.

Let me rephrase I do not want to get into a discussion of who is more powerful. It is really up to opinion. I have seem multiple debates on that topic.

I can see Revan and HOT winning as a possibility.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Perhaps, but there's no evidence. Rather, those who are already in the midst of internal conflict are probably easier for Vitiate to subdue and enthrall. Which would make sense.

Makes sense.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Are there any examples of Vitiate successfully mindraping somebody in combat?

The examples I know of he usually does it before the battle starts. If he is not successful then you have a battle.

Originally posted by Kotor3
The examples I know of he usually does it before the battle starts. If he is not successful then you have a battle.

When has that ever been his go-to response when someone is trying to fight him?

I don't recall him mind****ing anyone before a battle starts ever.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
*snip*

Yeah, I can see that, not that it worked either way. I by no means think that it's an instant thing.

As to if the HoT and Revan can beat Zannah and Bane, I do not know. Bane is more powerful than Revan, and while the HoT may be able to deal with Zannah, he would not be able to deal with a duo of Bane and Zannah, as well as my doubts that he would be able to defeat Zannah, especially with prep, before Bane defeats Revan.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
When has that ever been his go-to response when someone is trying to fight him?

I don't recall him mind****ing anyone before a battle starts ever.

When Revan and Malak first went to confront Vitiate it wasn't to talk. The second time Revan when to face Vitiate, he had to prepare himself and comrades. The first thing Vitiate did in each encounter was try to control their minds.

Originally posted by Kotor3
When Revan and Malak first went to confront Vitiate it wasn't to talk. The second time Revan when to face Vitiate, he had to prepare himself and comrades. The first thing Vitiate did in each encounter was try the control their minds.

No it states that Malak and Revan were lying at Vitiate's feet in after a short time. I take that to mean he defeated/knocked out Malak and Revan before mindraping them, similar to what he did to the strike team on his space station. The second time Revan clashed with Vitiate, Revan and Vitiate did a bunch of other shit before Vitiate even attempted to mindrape him.

no, that isn't what happened. vitiate dominated their minds easily and instantly. That said, vitiate was prepped plus Revan and malak at that time are no where near as strong as bane and zannah.

And in revan's second confrontation, vitiate force waved him then tried to dominate him, without prep.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
vitiate force waved him then tried to dominate him, without prep.

According to whom?

According to the situation:

"he'd feared they'd have to fight through dozens of the guard before reaching the throne room, giving the emperor ample time to prepare a counterattack. Now, however, they had a chance to take their adversary by surprise."

-Revan

I have my doubts that he could mindrape either of them in combat on their own, but with both of them together that would definitely not happen.