Revan and HOT run the Gauntlet

Started by Nephthys5 pages
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It was confirmed he prepared for that.
Logical to assume it happened so quickly due to all the prepared power he harnessed.

It's stated it was a trap and he was ready for them, not that he'd prepped his mind-control abilities. Logically if it only required a fraction of his power there'd be no need for him to prep. And if he had prepped it would indicate him using much more than a mere fraction of his power. That he'd prepped his telepathy is only a logical possibility some have suggested, not a proven fact.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Who knows? No one's saying he had or needed an hour.

Yep, and he probably doesn't, barring dark council one-shot or planet destroying.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
For Revan's infiltration of the palace to be plotted by Viti, not for Viti to exploit their distraction and prepare for the ensuing confrontation.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Who knows? No one's saying he had or needed an hour.

Considering Revan's battle with Vitiate occurred in a matter of seconds, I think 10 seconds was a generous estimation.

It's stated it was a trap and he was ready for them, not that he'd prepped his mind-control abilities. Logically if it only required a fraction of his power there'd be no need for him to prep. And if he had prepped it would indicate him using much more than a mere fraction of his power. That he'd prepped his telepathy is only a logical possibility some have suggested, not a proven fact.

Logically, if Vitiate was "ready for them", that means he prepared himself.
It only required a "fraction of his power" because his power was being amplified in the preparation. 😬
This is not even yet mentioning his powers would be amplified by the Dark Side nexus itself.
A similar example is how a user charges up a telekinetic attack to make it more powerful.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

Logically, if Vitiate was "ready for them", that means he prepared himself.
It only required a "fraction of his power" because his power was being amplified in the preparation. 😬
This is not even yet mentioning his powers would be amplified by the Dark Side nexus itself.
A similar example is how a user charges up a telekinetic attack to make it more powerful.

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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The HoT was under Vitiate's control for a few weeks-months. He only needs to stop them for minutes. 😬

Bane struggled with Zannah's illusions during their fight. I don't doubt that they have the power, even Revan broke his mind domination on his own, I doubt that they have the time.


HoT remained under Emperor's influence for years actually.

Revan didn't break free from Emperor's influence, he reduced its impact over him. His break from it was the result of mindwipe performed by the Jedi High Council.

It wasn't years.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

Logically, if Vitiate was "ready for them", that means he prepared himself.
It only required a "fraction of his power" because his power was being amplified in the preparation. 😬
This is not even yet mentioning his powers would be amplified by the Dark Side nexus itself.
A similar example is how a user charges up a telekinetic attack to make it more powerful. [/B]

Prepared for a confrontation. Being prepared doesn't equate to charging up power.

Prepping doesn't increase your overall power, its just you drawing on more of it than you normally can, like winding up for a big punch as opposed to a quick jab. You don't actually get more powerful, that's retarded.

It only states a fraction of his power, not a tiny bit of that + nexus amp.

Obviously. That's not stated to have occurred though.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Question, wasn't the fact that Revan and Malak were already heading toward the darkside it made it easy for Vitiate to dominate their minds.

If you are a darksider is it easier for Vitiate to dominate your mind?


They were close to dark side but they were still strong-willed.

Emperor Vitiate broke both with a fraction of his power though.

Okay, how can the HoT be under Vitiate's control for years, when the story itself takes place over only 3 years, Act I being a year or so long, with each successive act being a year long?

And Revan was not under Vitiate's control when he was preping to defend against Vitiate. 😬

Apparently the story starts when the Hero's around 18-20.

So at most he was 23 when he beat the Emperor? Damn.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It wasn't years.

Prepared for a confrontation. Being prepared doesn't equate to charging up power.

Prepping doesn't increase your overall power, its just you drawing on more of it than you normally can, like winding up for a big punch as opposed to a quick jab. You don't actually get more powerful, that's retarded.

It only states a fraction of his power, not a tiny bit of that + nexus amp.

Obviously. That's not stated to have occurred though.


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Yes, this whole prep mantra is blown out of proportion.

If this prep mantra is to be considered, then every Force-user prepares himself before battles.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Apparently the story starts when the Hero's around 18-20.

So at most he was 23 when he beat the Emperor? Damn.

I don't believe those figures are stated ever. Age can be freely determined by the player. It is true that almost all the classes are referred to as young though.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Okay, how can the HoT be under Vitiate's control for years, when the story itself takes place over only 3 years, Act I being a year or so long, with each successive act being a year long?

It is stated that HoT remained under control of Emperor for a long time, eventually Din's ghost assisted him from breaking free from Emperor's influence.

Cold war didn't end in a span of months, it also lasted years.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And Revan was not under Vitiate's control when he was preping to defend against Vitiate. 😬

Revan was under Emperor's control during his time as Sith Lord. Emperor's hold over Revan was eliminated at the time of mindwipe performed on Revan by the Jedi High Council. After the mindwipe, Revan was free from Emperor's influence.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't believe those figures are stated ever. Age can be freely determined by the player. It is true that almost all the classes are referred to as young though.

Writer's words placed them at 18-20 at the start.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is stated that he remained under his control for a long time.

Cold war didn't end in a span of months, it also lasted years.


Except Chapters I and II are two and a half years+ in length, and the Cold War going on decades before that. No point here really.

Revan remained under Emperor's control during his time as Sith Lord. Emperor's hold over him was eliminated from mindwipe performed on Revan by the Jedi High Council. After the mindwipe, Revan was free from Emperor's influence.

Revan and Malak broke out on their own soon after they went in search of the Star Forge, from what I've gathered.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except Chapters I and II are two and a half years+ in length, and the Cold War going on decades before that. No point here really.

Emperor turned HoT in to a pawn by the end of Chapter II. Chapter III begins after a long time.

You are confusing Great Galactic War with Cold War.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Revan and Malak broke out on their own soon after they went in search of the Star Forge, from what I've gathered.

Revan and Malak managed to reduce Emperor's influence but could not eradicate it fully.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor turned HoT in to a pawn by the end of Chapter II. Chapter III begins after a long time.

There is only 3 years of story. Well over a year of that is guaranteed gone. There's just no capacity for the HoT to be under control for years.

You are confusing Great Galactic War with Cold War.

No I'm not. All the time between the Great Galactic War and the Second Great Galactic War has all been a period of Cold War. Even then, the story still takes place in only 3 years. That's it. '43-'40 BBY. Nothing more.

Revan and Malak reduced Emperor's influence but could not eradicate it fully.

Influence =/= control. Vitiate did not control Revan anymore than he controlled Braga.

Dead at 4.

Originally posted by carthage
Dead at 4.

How?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
There is only 3 years of story. Well over a year of that is guaranteed gone. There's just no capacity for the HoT to be under control for years.

Well, it is unclear at the moment that for how long HoT remained under control of Emperor but it was long time, not few weeks or months as originally claimed. Maybe not years but an entire year seems probable at minimum.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No I'm not. All the time between the Great Galactic War and the Second Great Galactic War has all been a period of Cold War. Even then, the story still takes place in only 3 years. That's it. '43-'40 BBY. Nothing more.

Ok

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Influence =/= control. Vitiate did not control Revan anymore than he controlled Braga.

No, as long as someone is under influence of Emperor Vitiate, Emperor can enforce his will on that someone.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]Well, it is unclear at the moment that for how long HoT remained under control of Emperor but it was long time, not few weeks or months as originally claimed. Maybe not years but an entire year seems probable at minimum.

If you believe Act II and III leave room for that, sure. Personally I don't, with a half a year max.


No, as long as someone is under influence of Emperor Vitiate, Emperor can enforce his will on that someone.

Not true. Power alone can be a way to break such entrapments, and Revan and Malak showed no signs of still following Vitiate's orders while reigning as Darths. While Vitiate may have had some way in the way they thought at first, ultimately Revan and Malak struck out on their own, even when only causing destruction, Malak never revealed where the Star Forge was, which was their MO.