Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Do you remember which scene this was? I would like to re watch it.
It's when Thor goes to see Loki in prison and convince him to join him. He warns him about betraying him, that in the past he's always held back but if he Betrays him again he won't hold back anymore.
Thor always holds back, even when he tried to kill Cap. Everyone holds back against the Hulk and the uppercut that Thor hit Hulk with was a holding back uppercut. Hell, Cap talked to Loki during their fight, Cap held back as well. So what we have here is Thor only legit fights is when he does good. He went all out against Kurse though because he threw his hammer at him which means, Kurse is stronger than Hulk. We also have Loki holding back/not paying attention to a Hulk that just punched him inside of a building and if he had his toys, he would've defeated Hulk. This is amazing. Everyone in the Avengers movies minus Hulk held back. KMC.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor always holds back, even when he tried to kill Cap. Everyone holds back against the Hulk and the uppercut that Thor hit Hulk with was a holding back uppercut. Hell, Cap talked to Loki during their fight, Cap held back as well. So what we have here is Thor only legit fights is when he does good. He went all out against Kurse though because he threw his hammer at him which means, Kurse is stronger than Hulk. We also have Loki holding back/not paying attention to a Hulk that just punched him inside of a building and if he had his toys, he would've defeated Hulk. This is amazing. Everyone in the Avengers movies minus Hulk held back. KMC.
Strawman
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...me being the one thats strawman? Really? Thor holds back 99.9% of the time except when he wins against the Destroyer and the Ice Giants? Hilarious.
There's a difference between "holding back" and "not going all out"
EDIT: Example: he holds back against Loki, he doesn't hold back against Ice Giants but neither does he go all out, he goes all out on Destroyer.
Originally posted by juggerman
There's a difference between "holding back" and "not going all out"EDIT: Example: he holds back against Loki, he doesn't hold back against Ice Giants but neither does he go all out, he goes all out on Destroyer.
So he didn't try to stop Loki and the War? He held back against Kurse because he didn't fight the way you think he should've fought. He held back against Ironman because he didn't win i guess because he threw Mjlonir, hit him with lightning, tried to crush his arm and went for a killing blow against Cap, but wait, he held back. He held back against Hulk because he was talking to him (Loki talked to Thor during their battle so he held back as well). He held back against Cap even though his hammer shot would've killed him.
Like I've stated before, he only went all out against the Destroyer because he won. Did he go all out at the end of Thor 2 when he was saving the Universe/planet from that guy? He didn't use tornado or lightning and he was talking during mid combat.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...me being the one thats strawman? Really? Thor holds back 99.9% of the time except when he wins against the Destroyer and the Ice Giants? Hilarious.
Bro Thor wins when he can, when he can't he gets trashed. He tried to pull off a win on Cap at 100% non holding back and Cap's shield no sold his hammer.
He tried going 100% on Kurse and Kurse no sold him and his hammer.
He tried keeping Hulk at bay and he got trashed by the Hulk.
What feats to the Ice Giants have other then fodder to suggest they could hurt Thor. He can easily dismiss them as fodder.
The destroyer was a immobile, slow moving beast with one weapon who had to die.
It is what it is man.
Originally posted by carver9
So he didn't try to stop Loki and the War? He held back against Kurse because he didn't fight the way you think he should've fought. He held back against Ironman because he didn't win i guess because he threw Mjlonir, hit him with lightning, tried to crush his arm and went for a killing blow against Cap, but wait, he held back. He held back against Hulk because he was talking to him (Loki talked to Thor during their battle so he held back as well). He held back against Cap even though his hammer shot would've killed him.Like I've stated before, he only went all out against the Destroyer because he won. Did he go all out at the end of Thor 2 when he was saving the Universe/planet from that guy? He didn't use tornado or lightning and he was talking during mid combat.
Again you're strawmanning. He did try to stop Loki but by his own admission he held back. No amount of dancing or ignoring facts changes this.
I never said he held back against Kurse.
He did hold back against Ironman but not as much as against Loki. He also got more serious as the fight went on. Same with Hulk.
I'm sure he would've killed Cap had he not blocked. I don't think it was his intent tho. I think he was pissed and was lashing out in anger.
In the Hulk fight he started out trying to reason with Hulk(holding back). Then he got more serious but couldn't go all out due to the location(not holding back but not going all out).
Loki talking doesn't have the same implications as Thor talking. Loki tends to distract or buy time while he works on something else. Thor talking is pretty straight forward.
Iirc he was going all out in Thor 2 but lost his primary weapon in the fight so he was limited to what he could do. I don't remember that fight fully tho.
Originally posted by carver9
So he didn't try to stop Loki and the War?
Jeez he flat out states in TDW that he always fought him with the hope he would change. But that hopes gone now, so if he tries anything now, he will just outright finish him.
Originally posted by juggerman
In the Hulk fight he started out trying to reason with Hulk(holding back). Then he got more serious but couldn't go all out due to the location(not holding back but not going all out).
You actually notice all through his fight with Malekith and Kurse, he always charges his Mjolnir strikes with Lightning, and Usually shoots heavy doses of Lightning at his opponent to.
He didn't do that against Hulk. Hence, whether he was holding back or not, fact is he didn't give Hulk everything he had. Likely due to the location like you said.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You actually notice all through his fight with Malekith and Kurse, he always charges his Mjolnir strikes with Lightning, and Usually shoots heavy doses of Lightning at his opponent to.He didn't do that against Hulk. Hence, whether he was holding back or not, fact is he didn't give Hulk everything he had. Likely due to the location like you said.
Well he was clearly holding back at first. After Hulk made his nose bleed he seemed to get more serious and actually try to KO Hulk. He was essentially a boxer fighting with one arm tied behind his back. He can still swing with all his might and not hold back but he is still not able to give his best either. Carver seems to be confused about this.