Darkseid vs B&T Thor

Started by deathslash8 pages

Originally posted by quanchi112
Both fights are debatable hence the topic.

Doomsday, Orion, and Superman all physically raped Darkseid on occasion with far less power than Thor has access to IMO.

you're using Orion as a reference for how weak DS is? The same Orion who oneshotted Superman using the weakest astro force blast that he could, stalemated a sun amped superman, and whose final battle with Darkseid was felt throughout all the planes of existence and had Superman saying that the battle was beyond the powers of the league? Oh please, superman has only won against Darkseid three times (two which were acheived through massive amounts of PIS and the other one was acheived through a combination of bad writing and amping.)

Originally posted by deathslash
you're using Orion as a reference for how weak DS is? The same Orion who oneshotted Superman using the weakest astro force blast that he could, stalemated a sun amped superman, and whose final battle with Darkseid was felt throughout all the planes of existence and had Superman saying that the battle was beyond the powers of the league? Oh please, superman has only won against Darkseid three times (two which were acheived through massive amounts of PIS and the other one was acheived through a combination of bad writing and amping.)
What 3 instances did Superman beat Darkseid? I recall Apokalips Now and Superman/Batman with the Sun amp.

There was another instance from an early issue of Action Comics but it was supposedly Desaad disguised as Darkseid.

Then there was the instance in Superman/Batman when Darkseid got out of the source wall but was in a weakened state. That same instance had Batman draw blood from Darkseid.

Originally posted by Reshiram
What 3 instances did Superman beat Darkseid? I recall Apokalips Now and Superman/Batman with the Sun amp.

There was another instance from an early issue of Action Comics but it was supposedly Desaad disguised as Darkseid.

Then there was the instance in Superman/Batman when Darkseid got out of the source wall but was in a weakened state. That same instance had Batman draw blood from Darkseid.

it was the Action Comics instance. I'd forgotten that it was Dessad.

Originally posted by deathslash
you're using Orion as a reference for how weak DS is? The same Orion who oneshotted Superman using the weakest astro force blast that he could, stalemated a sun amped superman, and whose final battle with Darkseid was felt throughout all the planes of existence and had Superman saying that the battle was beyond the powers of the league? Oh please, superman has only won against Darkseid three times (two which were acheived through massive amounts of PIS and the other one was acheived through a combination of bad writing and amping.)

What? Orion oneshotted superman with weakest astro force blast? Orion surprised a younger, weaker Superman after which Superman woke up and oneshotted Orion. Superman was massively holding back when he was amped and it was flat out said that the whole league combined including Orion had no chance of stopping him without surprise and kryptonite. In fact a present day Superman shrugs off both astro force (martian manhunter 9, DOTNG 2) and omega beams (AOS 595, Countdown 4) like nothing. Its no knock on them, Superman is just that powerful.

Seriously dude? What is with these Darkseid apologists?

Originally posted by Reshiram
What 3 instances did Superman beat Darkseid? I recall Apokalips Now and Superman/Batman with the Sun amp.

There was another instance from an early issue of Action Comics but it was supposedly Desaad disguised as Darkseid.

Then there was the instance in Superman/Batman when Darkseid got out of the source wall but was in a weakened state. That same instance had Batman draw blood from Darkseid.


Darkseid was at full power in S/B 42 where Superman made him flee. Batman was using Bekka's equipment there, so he could draw blood from Darkseid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What? Orion oneshotted superman with weakest astro force blast? Orion surprised a younger, weaker Superman after which Superman woke up and oneshotted Orion. Superman was massively holding back when he was amped and it was flat out said that the whole league combined including Orion had no chance of stopping him without surprise and kryptonite. In fact a present day Superman shrugs off both astro force (martian manhunter 9, DOTNG 2) and omega beams (AOS 595, Countdown 4) like nothing. Its no knock on them, Superman is just that powerful.

Seriously dude? What is with these Darkseid apologists?
Darkseid was at full power in S/B 42 where Superman made him flee. Batman was using Bekka's equipment there, so he could draw blood from Darkseid.

Are you sure? This is the same infamous Darkseid falling down the stairs shtick right?

Originally posted by Reshiram
Are you sure? This is the same infamous Darkseid falling down the stairs shtick right?

Yes. Darkseid used highfather's staff to repower himself. Then there is Action Comics 814 where Superman bitchslapped Darkseid, Kalibak, Steppenwolf and a whole load of parademons back to Apokolips.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes. Darkseid used highfather's staff to repower himself. Then there is Action Comics 814 where Superman bitchslapped Darkseid, Kalibak, Steppenwolf and a whole load of parademons back to Apokolips.
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Originally posted by Werewolf582
This isn't classic it's current.

No you don't.

Same feats still apply and it is a reference to the character at his base levels, noob.

Originally posted by Reshiram
Or you...trolling or just incredibly misinformed? When did Jurgens ever say that Doomsday would win 10/10?

Henshaw's durability is dependent on what material he constructs his body out of. In some instances he can get torn apart easily, in others, like the previous Green Lantern volume, he took a concentrated blast that was as hot as the sun.

When Darkseid one shotted him, he was using the Apokaliptan Soldier Corpse which was able to survive the inside of a black hole.

RC: What if you threw Darkseid in that pit with no preparation or anything like that?

DAN JURGENS: Because of brute power and the natural immunity that Doomsday genetically develops, Doomsday has the advantage. But my theory is that the next time they fight, Darkseid knows that he’s been defeated and takes countermeasures.
RC: So, in your opinion, if Darkseid fought Doomsday without employing technology and strategy, Doomsday would win every time?

DAN JURGENS: Yes. Right.

In the same arc Doomsday went through the entire planet's defenses like they were nothing. I was not impressed by Apokolips tech at all in that arc.

That comment was hyperbole and nothing exceptional for a top tier.

Originally posted by deathslash
you're using Orion as a reference for how weak DS is? The same Orion who oneshotted Superman using the weakest astro force blast that he could, stalemated a sun amped superman, and whose final battle with Darkseid was felt throughout all the planes of existence and had Superman saying that the battle was beyond the powers of the league? Oh please, superman has only won against Darkseid three times (two which were acheived through massive amounts of PIS and the other one was acheived through a combination of bad writing and amping.)
I didn't say Darkseid was weak for Orion punching through his chest I said Orion lacks the power Thor has demonstrated.

Orion has Superman's number. I never said otherwise. He ko'd an all out Superman.

Hyperbole.

Pis is an excuse. Superman, Doomsday, and Orion have all demonstrated the power to end or defeat Darkseid. Thor has power in spades. With the power gem he rapes.

Thor with the gem wins. Without, split.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor with the gem wins. Without, split.

It is not a split if Thor doesn't have the gem. Darksied would win.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
It is not a split if Thor doesn't have the gem. Darksied would win.

I can be swayed. Sway me. Remember this is B&T Thor and is only h2h while he has Mjolnir.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I can be swayed. Sway me. Remember this is B&T Thor and is only h2h while he has Mjolnir.

Darkseid is stronger than Thor at default even with the Power Gem and supposed "Warrior madness".

I see Darkseid utilizing his speed and skill to frustrate Thor long enough to prevent him from consciously tapping into the gem.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]RC: What if you threw Darkseid in that pit with no preparation or anything like that?

DAN JURGENS: Because of brute power and the natural immunity that Doomsday genetically develops, Doomsday has the advantage. But my theory is that the next time they fight, Darkseid knows that he’s been defeated and takes countermeasures.
RC: So, in your opinion, if Darkseid fought Doomsday without employing technology and strategy, Doomsday would win every time?

DAN JURGENS: Yes. Right.

In the same arc Doomsday went through the entire planet's defenses like they were nothing. I was not impressed by Apokolips tech at all in that arc.

That comment was hyperbole and nothing exceptional for a top tier. [/B]

DAN JURGENS: The idea that we were trying to portray is the natural immunity that Doomsday would develop toward whoever he was fighting. In such case, it becomes very hard for Darkseid to defeat him.

My answer to that question in general is that . . . you take Doomsday, you take Darkseid, you put them in a pit and have them fight it out to death. If you do that ten times, you’re looking at a five-five or six-four split.

DAN JURGENS: We needed Doomsday to defeat Darkseid for people to understand that Doomsday was a multi-dimensional threat.

RC: Then was is that Doomsday defeating Apokolips took Doomsday to a whole other level?

Jurgens contradicts himself several times in that interview. He did state that he fed Darkseid to Doomsday to hype Doomsday up.

Worst case scenario, Darkseid can BFR Doomsday 10/10 times.

It doesn't matter if you were impressed or not. We've already seen the same Soldier Corpse that Henshaw was using survive the inside of a black hole. You think that surviving inside a black hole isn't an impressive feat? So I guess you have a scan of Thor surviving in a black hole correct?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Darkseid is stronger than Thor at default even with the Power Gem and supposed "Warrior madness".

I see Darkseid utilizing his speed and skill to frustrate Thor long enough to prevent him from consciously tapping into the gem.

Thor was faster and stronger than his average self during Blood and Thunder. There was also no perceivable degradation of skill. Darkseid is not going to dismiss him so easily.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor with the gem wins. Without, split.

QFT

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
QFT

Oh really?
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
DS stomps.

🙁

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Oh really?

🙁

Damn, let me have my way with Carver....!

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Damn, let me have my way with Carver....!

😮