Originally posted by ReshiramWithout prep and technology Doomsday loses every time. I posted him agreeing. Darkseid is definitely smarter than him. I never contested that.
DAN JURGENS: The idea that we were trying to portray is the natural immunity that Doomsday would develop toward whoever he was fighting. In such case, it becomes very hard for Darkseid to defeat him.My answer to that question in general is that . . . you take Doomsday, you take Darkseid, you put them in a pit and have them fight it out to death. If you do that ten times, you’re looking at a five-five or six-four split.
DAN JURGENS: We needed Doomsday to defeat Darkseid for people to understand that Doomsday was a multi-dimensional threat.
RC: Then was is that Doomsday defeating Apokolips took Doomsday to a whole other level?
Jurgens contradicts himself several times in that interview. He did state that he fed Darkseid to Doomsday to hype Doomsday up.
Worst case scenario, Darkseid can BFR Doomsday 10/10 times.
It doesn't matter if you were impressed or not. We've already seen the same Soldier Corpse that Henshaw was using survive the inside of a black hole. You think that surviving inside a black hole isn't an impressive feat? So I guess you have a scan of Thor surviving in a black hole correct?
That isn't something relevant to the thread. Planets of characters tear his body apart thus proving he isn't that durable.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor was faster and stronger than his average self during Blood and Thunder. There was also no perceivable degradation of skill. Darkseid is not going to dismiss him so easily.
Where would you put Thor's enhancements in speed and strength during BLOOD AND THUNDER?
Odin said it wasn't true Warrior Madness so that makes it difficult to actually gauge it.
I don't think the boost puts at a stage beyond an all out Orion or Superman.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynThor all out is more powerful than both of those characters and has the showings to prove it.
Where would you put Thor's enhancements in speed and strength during BLOOD AND THUNDER?Odin said it wasn't true Warrior Madness so that makes it difficult to actually gauge it.
I don't think the boost puts at a stage beyond an all out Orion or Superman.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Where would you put Thor's enhancements in speed and strength during BLOOD AND THUNDER?Odin said it wasn't true Warrior Madness so that makes it difficult to actually gauge it.
I don't think the boost puts at a stage beyond an all out Orion or Superman.
People forget how he outright manhandled Surfer and Warlock(his most powerful iteration sans IG or Magus versions) to the point that they were basically conceding that they did not have the power to stop him.
Let's not forget his prolonged epic bout with a PG empowered Drax(most powerful iteration as well). The same Drax who one-shot stomped an amped version of Champion that was giving Surfer a good amount of trouble. I mean to survive and even seemingly had the upper hand against that kind of power speaks volumes. Their fight was predominantly a slugfest.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Without prep and technology Doomsday loses every time. I posted him agreeing. Darkseid is definitely smarter than him. I never contested that.That isn't something relevant to the thread. Planets of characters tear his body apart thus proving he isn't that durable.
I think I've explained this to you several times but I'll explain it again. Henshaw's durability is dependent on what type of body he's using. His durability at peak let him tank a concentrated blast as hot as the sun, tank a concentrated galaxy destroying attack (although he was badly damaged after).
Yes he can be torn apart if he's using a weaker body. You keep talking as if Henshaw had a base line durability when he clearly doesn't. The only thing that matters is what level of durability he was at during said instance, and the instance that Darkseid beat him he had black hole level durability.
Originally posted by Delta1938
In B&T, Beta Ray Bill did beat Thor when he actually had the proper mindset before Thor got the PG. Darkseid won't be holding back and is stronger than BRB. After Thor got the PG, despite all the hype he didn't really look all that stronger, if at all.
Originally posted by ReshiramWe didn't see anything special in hunter and prey so you just invalidated your entire argument. His body was different in hunter and prey so acting like it is durable there doesn't matter because he changes his durability based on the material he uses.
I think I've explained this to you several times but I'll explain it again. Henshaw's durability is dependent on what type of body he's using. His durability at peak let him tank a concentrated blast as hot as the sun, tank a concentrated galaxy destroying attack (although he was badly damaged after).Yes he can be torn apart if he's using a weaker body. You keep talking as if Henshaw had a base line durability when he clearly doesn't. The only thing that matters is what level of durability he was at during said instance, and the instance that Darkseid beat him he had black hole level durability.
Again, black holes are plot devices so they don't really prove anything. Comics. One story nukes hurt and one they don't. Comics.
Originally posted by Delta1938You didn't read the arc. He beat Bill before and right after. He was also fighting characters in succession. Thor won't be holding back either.
In B&T, Beta Ray Bill did beat Thor when he actually had the proper mindset before Thor got the PG. Darkseid won't be holding back and is stronger than BRB. After Thor got the PG, despite all the hype he didn't really look all that stronger, if at all.
Bill has a hammer and Darkseid's fists aren't as reliable as storm breaker. The arc showed how much stronger he was along with mentioning it. You didn't read the arc.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynNo, he doesn't.
[B]FILTHY LIES!Superman surpasses Thor in every category once the mental blocks are off.
CANON.
Orion with the Motherbox and Astro-Force is at least comprable to Thor.
CANON. [/B]
Thor has greater experience, skill, and greater power in spades.
Galactus and Celestials.
Orion is greater than superman preboot but it isn't enough for an all out Thor.
Originally posted by quanchi112Once again, he was using the Apokaliptan Soldier Corpse. If you didn't see anything special in Hunter Prey than you clearly did not read the story. We've seen that specific body survive a black hole so we know how durable he was at the time he was owned by Darkseid.
We didn't see anything special in hunter and prey so you just invalidated your entire argument. His body was different in hunter and prey so acting like it is durable there doesn't matter because he changes his durability based on the material he uses.Again, black holes are plot devices so they don't really prove anything. Comics. One story nukes hurt and one they don't. Comics.
Black holes being plot devices are irrelevant. We already know that surviving a black hole is an insane showing of durability, so your attempts to downplay it is the only thing that's invalid here.
Originally posted by ReshiramDoomsday annihilated the planetary defenses like they were nothing and he is a brick who can't fly.
Once again, he was using the Apokaliptan Soldier Corpse. If you didn't see anything special in Hunter Prey than you clearly did not read the story. We've seen that specific body survive a black hole so we know how durable he was at the time he was owned by Darkseid.Black holes being plot devices are irrelevant. We already know that surviving a black hole is an insane showing of durability, so your attempts to downplay it is the only thing that's invalid here.
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Again, that isn't saying much since multiple characters have wrecked his body and in hp he is easily blown to bits which isn't the same for dd.
Omega beams erased him which wasn't the case against Doomsday.
Feat of comparison.
Dd>>>Apokolips, Darkseid, and Henshaw.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he doesn't.Thor has greater experience, skill, and greater power in spades.
Thor has greater experience suffering brutal beatings and defeats, yes.
Skill that he rarely exhibits initially before brawling first.
Mjolnir gives him power, what has happened when it is separated from him?