Originally posted by LordofBrooklynThe hammer grants the power of Thor. He has more options which I already confirmed. The hammer tells you what it does right on it, sport.
1. Energy absorption
2. Flight
3. Teleportation
4. Dimensional travel
5. Soul DrainingIs Thor capable of any of these abilities(Just to name a few) WITHOUT Mjolnir?
You consider the offensive and defensive abilities lost here to be insignificant?
Originally posted by quanchi112
The hammer grants the power of Thor. He has more options which I already confirmed. The hammer tells you what it does right on it, sport.
List the options, Thor expert.
Through Gaea and Odin he has super-strength, stamina, and weather manipulation.
That is it.
Even with the most powerful lightning strike that is nothing compared to Darkseid.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynNo, need as I never contested it.
List the options, Thor expert.Through Gaea and Odin he has super-strength, stamina, and weather manipulation.
That is it.
Even with the most powerful lightning strike that is nothing compared to Darkseid.
The hammer grants the powers of Thor. It says so right on the hammer.
Untrue. Superman hit him so hard before he submitted. If you make his eyes swell shut he will tap out.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Bill stated that before they were aware it wasn't actually Warrior's Madness. Fair enough if you thought I was arguing it out of context, but I simply didn't see it relevant to my point since Surfer was pretty much a non-factor. If anything, it would've given Thor time to recover from Bill's sneak attack, since Surfer didn't do any actual damage. And Bill and Thor just stood there for a bit after the sneak attack before Surfer's tackle.And I know Thor had the winning record against BRB in that arc. I was simply pointing-out that Thor wasn't in actual Warrior's Madness and BRB was able to beat Thor in one of their fights when he had the right mindset. Darkseid is stronger than Bill and wouldn't have the same psychological handicap that Bill had(wanting to help Thor and somewhat trying to reason with him).
Leading into the arc this Thor with the same mindset fought PG Drax to a virtual stand still and came out looking good. Notice how prolonged the fight was and always keep in mind that his opponent had the backing of the power gem!
Originally posted by ODG
[size=3][b]XIII. THOR'S FIGHTS (cont'd)
Thor (bloodlusted) vs Drax the Destroyer (w/ Power Gem), from Infinity War #5 and Infinity Watch #21:
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This same PG Drax one-shot KO'd an amped Champion who was giving Surfer quite a fight for a whole issue. Little tidbit, before he fought Surfer, he casually blew up a planet for no reason at
all.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/championplanetbusting1.jpg
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"power enough to best even you"
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Silver%20Surfer/surfervschampion.jpg
Fight ends when when Drax does this...
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Originally posted by quanchi112you use one of Darkseid's lowest showings ever as a sign of who can beat him? I think I just died a little inside. Then again, it is to be expected from you.
No, need as I never contested it.The hammer grants the powers of Thor. It says so right on the hammer.
Untrue. Superman hit him so hard before he submitted. If you make his eyes swell shut he will tap out.
Originally posted by quanchi112That's the problem with your argument, in your very first sentence. Your argument is basically everyone in Hunter Prey was weak because they all got thrashed by Doomsday, even though at that point the only thing that could stop Doomsday was Entropy.
Doomsday annihilated the planetary defenses like they were nothing and he is a brick who can't fly.😂
Again, that isn't saying much since multiple characters have wrecked his body and in hp he is easily blown to bits which isn't the same for dd.
Omega beams erased him which wasn't the case against Doomsday.
Feat of comparison.
Dd>>>Apokolips, Darkseid, and Henshaw.
So Darkseid, Henshaw and Superman are weak because of a guy who could only be stopped by BFR to the end of time? Poor argument and text book definition of low balling on your end.
And again, weaker characters have damaged Henshaw's weaker bodies, not his black hole withstanding body that Darkseid beat., But I guess ignoring facts is your specialty at this point.
Originally posted by deathslashIt isn't his lowest showing ever and his close matchups with Superman also confirm this wasn't just an isolated incident. It is canon so don't ignore the showing. Die a little more, please.
you use one of Darkseid's lowest showings ever as a sign of who can beat him? I think I just died a little inside. Then again, it is to be expected from you.
Originally posted by ReshiramNo, doomsday was impressive just not his foes, that wasn't the only point. Doomsday could still be killed by entropy is the only thing that could stop the process.
That's the problem with your argument, in your very first sentence. Your argument is basically everyone in Hunter Prey was weak because they all got thrashed by Doomsday, even though at that point the only thing that could stop Doomsday was Entropy.So Darkseid, Henshaw and Superman are weak because of a guy who could only be stopped by BFR to the end of time? Poor argument and text book definition of low balling on your end.
And again, weaker characters have damaged Henshaw's weaker bodies, not his black hole withstanding body that Darkseid beat., But I guess ignoring facts is your specialty at this point.
You're misinterpreting the arc for your own agenda.
There is nothing from that arc to prove that body was impressive. Darkseid's omegas easily took care of it.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. Energy absorption
2. Flight
3. Teleportation
4. Dimensional travel
5. Soul DrainingIs Thor capable of any of these abilities(Just to name a few) WITHOUT Mjolnir?
You consider the offensive and defensive abilities lost here to be insignificant?
Originally posted by quanchi112I didn't say it was his lowest showing, I said it was one of his lowest showings. Learn to read please. Close matchups? Supes only won against Darkseid twice (once through bad writing and the other through significant amping and bad writing) and every other time either he or his avatars have stomped supes into the ground. You're supposed to ignore some of a character's PIS showings.
It isn't his lowest showing ever and his close matchups with Superman also confirm this wasn't just an isolated incident. It is canon so don't ignore the showing. Die a little more, please.
Originally posted by deathslashI don't think it is. I view the Raker showing as far lower. Saying something is bad writing is ignoring the facts. I disagree. Superman has stalemated him before multiple times and has beaten him cleanly twice.
I didn't say it was his lowest showing, I said it was one of his lowest showings. Learn to read please. Close matchups? Supes only won against Darkseid twice (once through bad writing and the other through significant amping and bad writing) and every other time either he or his avatars have stomped supes into the ground. You're supposed to ignore some of a character's PIS showings.
Thor wins. In that mindset he would break Darkseid. Orion, Doomsday, and Superman already have before.
Originally posted by quanchi112getting knocked onto you back by a senior member of the GLC is a low showing? Darkseid wasn't even fighting back and was basically laughing a Raker's attempts to hurt him. Darkseid was basically letting Raker wail on him just to give him a false sense of accomplishment. The Guardians even came out to ask for an end to the hostilities so that all of the Lanterns wouldn't be killed and Darkseid accepted the termes of the peace treaty. Let's just agree to disagree.
I don't think it is. I view the Raker showing as far lower. Saying something is bad writing is ignoring the facts. I disagree. Superman has stalemated him before multiple times and has beaten him cleanly twice.Thor wins. In that mindset he would break Darkseid. Orion, Doomsday, and Superman already have before.
Originally posted by deathslashContaining the omega beams in a force field is and being in a submissive position against a shovel sure is. You are free to disagree and since you are I am using it. Darkseid' omegas were contained.
getting knocked onto you back by a senior member of the GLC is a low showing? Darkseid wasn't even fighting back and was basically laughing a Raker's attempts to hurt him. Darkseid was basically letting Raker wail on him just to give him a false sense of accomplishment. The Guardians even came out to ask for an end to the hostilities so that all of the Lanterns wouldn't be killed and Darkseid accepted the termes of the peace treaty. Let's just agree to disagree.
Ok, Thor wins.
