Originally posted by DarkRaiden
If Proteus is a reality warper then he's not included. Plus I've seen magneto wreck him solo. He's pure energy and you know who's REALLY good at absorbing energy? Doom (ask nightmare, Franklin Richards, Galactus, etc.)Blink can't do much to anyone with a teleporter (Doom and pretty much everyone I named), Shadow King, Exodus, Cable, psionics in general fall to Doom's willpower and psionic refractor, to BP's tp defense, to Iron Man's psionic dampeners, etc. Prep easily counters all of that.
Rogue has to touch you, Iceman sucks unless he's going all out and even then can simply be TP'd or hypnotized or just trapped, Apocalypse has become a jobber that Ironman already trapped sans prep, and Hope can only copy powers of mutants. Plus she can only handle so much.
And how is BP gonna cancel mutant race powers? Satellite+x-gene nullifier. Or gas in air+x-gene nullifier. That goes for all the prep masters.
Oh and Doom has countered reality warp before with pure willpower. Proteus would get mangled.
He said high end characters. Proteus is included. Magneto fought a depowered Proteus that split himself in half.
That's all Proteus would have to do is think of something and it would happen to Doom. Prove that Doom moves faster than thought.
Lol...Blink teleported a ton of sand INSIDE of Hyperion. She can teleport objects inside of Doom and that would literally kill him. Then let's not forget that Doom would have thousands of mutants in front of him attacking him simultaneously. Blink can do whatever she wants to him while he is fighting other mutants. Lol...she can teleport another mutant inside of Doom. Doom dies, easily. He isn't taking on the mutant race by himself. Hell, Apocalypse can beat him solo. A lot of mutants can beat him solo. I honestly don't think you all are thinking. Just think for a bit. Use that noggin.
Who said there was prep for this battle? And he would have to do it as soon as the bell ring but guess what, there are people that can move at light speed. They could kill him before he even got the chance to think about an attack. BP dies and lol at you thinking he could take on the entirety of the mutant race. A freaking low meta.
Proteus isn't the only one he has to worry about. He has to worry about Proteus trying to turn him to a puppy. Blink trying to teleport objects inside of him. Apocalypse trying to mind rape and pound on him with Celestial tech. Magneto trying to rip his armor off. Hope using his own powers against him. Xavier along with hundreds of others mind attack him. People controlling his energy. X treme trying to boil his blood from the inside out. Kitty trying to phase inside of him. Darwin adapting to his attacks and his Boyd creating a counter. Storm throwing lightning and tornados on top of him. Do I honestly need to keep going because that isn't even 1% of the entirety of the mutants. Exodus, Sebastian Shaw, lol, the list goes on and on. Why is it so hard for you to think about this stuff? Stop making me spoon feed you
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
*sigh*Speed feats of Blink etc, please? Especially when contending with a speedster who blitzes speedsters?
Have you thought about time travel yet? Like, sat down, and actually worked out what it means?
Yes and per the rules it's self bfr. Even if he didn't bfr himself. He does it to one person, they are gone, while he is doing that, the other mutants rips him to shreds unless again, you can prove that he can do all of this at Super speed (your scan didn't prove this).
Originally posted by carver9
Yes and per the rules it's self bfr. Even if he didn't bfr himself. He does it to one person, they are gone, while he is doing that, the other mutants rips him to shreds unless again, you can prove that he can do all of this at Super speed (your scan didn't prove this).
Lol.
Right, OK, it looks like I need to educate you about time travel.
Say you and I are facing each other. You can time travel, I cannot.
I have a friend with me, who has a gun. He has it holstered, but ready to shoot you when the bell goes. He's a trained pro, so quickdraw and all that jazz.
We are facing each other, waiting for the bell to ring. Being punctual people, we both agreed we will fight at 0800 hours EXACTLY.
*DING*
You go into my past, and kill me when I'm a baby. You sift through my past, taking YOUR sweet sweet time, until you discover when I am most vulnerable. Maybe it was when I was unguarded, having just been born. Maybe it was on my first day of school, when I was catching the school bus. Maybe it was on a school trip, as we went to the museum. Whatever it is, I am vulnerable. You strike.
When the deed is done, you go back to the present day. Now, you can TIME TRAVEL. What time do you go back to?
0800 hours. Exactly. You have never left the battlefield. My gunslinging friend isn't waiting around, because from his point of view, YOU NEVER LEFT.
You, being a speedster, have fast reactions. Definitely faster than my friend.
You jump back into the time stream. Kill HIM when he's a baby.
Jump back to the present. To 0800 hours EXACTLY. You can do this, because you are a TIME TRAVELLER.
Now, before you go crying and saying this doesn't happen in comics, this is EXACTLY what happened in Flashpoint.
Rinse, repeat. Maybe I have a whole gang of 100 gunslingers. Doesn't matter. You have ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD, because from their point of view, you keep coming back to 0800 hours, at the exact moment you keep leaving.
Now, do you understand?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.Right, OK, it looks like I need to educate you about time travel.
Say you and I are facing each other. You can time travel, I cannot.
I have a friend with me, who has a gun. He has it holstered, but ready to shoot you when the bell goes. He's a trained pro, so quickdraw and all that jazz.
We are facing each other, waiting for the bell to ring. Being punctual people, we both agreed we will fight at 0800 hours EXACTLY.
*DING*
You go into my past, and kill me when I'm a baby. You sift through my past, taking YOUR sweet sweet time, until you discover when I am most vulnerable. Maybe it was when I was unguarded, having just been born. Maybe it was on my first day of school, when I was catching the school bus. Maybe it was on a school trip, as we went to the museum. Whatever it is, I am vulnerable. You strike.
When the deed is done, you go back to the present day. Now, you can TIME TRAVEL. What time do you go back to?
0800 hours. Exactly. You have never left the battlefield. My gunslinging friend isn't waiting around, because from his point of view, YOU NEVER LEFT.
You, being a speedster, have fast reactions. Definitely faster than my friend.
You jump back into the time stream. Kill HIM when he's a baby.
Jump back to the present. To 0800 hours EXACTLY. You can do this, because you are a TIME TRAVELLER.
Now, before you go crying and saying this doesn't happen in comics, this is EXACTLY what happened in Flashpoint.
Rinse, repeat. Maybe I have a whole gang of 100 gunslingers. Doesn't matter. You have ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD, because from their point of view, you keep coming back to 0800 hours, at the exact moment you keep leaving.
Now, do you understand?
I don't think you get it. Him leaving the battlefield is self bfr.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol so you first concede the point about other mutants 'ripping' Zoom apart when he's attacking them one by one?Once you do, I'll move on to the next.
I don't concede anything. I'm pointing out that Zoom would self bfr himself attempting to go through a time zone. Then there are characters that can mimic his powers. More than one character.