Originally posted by Odekahn
Superman wins, of course.
Besides the Sentry and Black Bolt's debilitating scream, Superman must deal with the damage Zom Strange inflicts on Hulk.
I can see Superman getting past Sentry due to his fight experience and Sentry's own mental problems during this time.
Possibly Sentry's energy might even empower Superman, even as Apollo's attack empowered the DCnU version of him in the Superman/Wonder Woman title ("million exploding suns" and all that).
With far greater difficulty I can see Superman getting past Black Bolt.
This is much more difficult to see given Kryptonian vulnerability to sonic and sound-like attacks throughout the years; more likely Superman gets dropped as Hulk himself was dropped twice before.
Is Silver Banshee, who at best destroyed a plane, anywise comparable in vocal output to Black Bolt, who has made stone structures blocks away in the opposite direction of his target, crumble like sand castles?
With a whisper?
What happens when Bolt lets loose with a normal voice attack?
Or an actual scream?
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/1048856-bb1sr9.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2ymja12.jpg
But this is beside the point.
We all know where the greatest and most daunting challenge in this saga lies; the one hardest for fans to debate.
Zom Strange is a magical being.
He punched what look to be football-sized holes in Hulk's upper torso.
Who, thankfully, had a healing factor that could deal with such things.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsDrStrange22.jpg.html
I need to be shown Superman can heal from that level of physical trauma to give him even a 40% chance of winning.
Otherwise, I'm forced to conclude that Superman will be doing a lot of things if he follows the World War Hulk program as exactly as possible.
And winning the Zom scenario won't be one of them.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Besides the Sentry and Black Bolt's debilitating scream, Superman must deal with the damage Zom Strange inflicts on Hulk.I can see Superman getting past Sentry due to his fight experience and Sentry's own mental problems during this time.
" and all that).
Possibly Sentry's energy might even empower Superman, even as Apollo's attack empowered the DCnU version of him in the Superman/Wonder Woman title ("million exploding [b]sunsWith far greater difficulty I can see Superman getting past Black Bolt.
This is much more difficult to see given Kryptonian vulnerability to sonic and sound-like attacks throughout the years; more likely Superman gets dropped as Hulk himself was dropped twice before.Is Silver Banshee, who at best destroyed a plane, anywise comparable in vocal output to Black Bolt, who has made stone structures blocks away in the opposite direction of his target, crumble like sand castles?
With a whisper?
What happens when Bolt lets loose with a normal voice attack?
Or an actual scream?http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/1048856-bb1sr9.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2ymja12.jpg
But this is beside the point.
We all know where the greatest and most daunting challenge in this saga lies; the one hardest for fans to debate.
Zom Strange is a magical being.
He punched what look to be football-sized holes in Hulk's upper torso.Who, thankfully, had a healing factor that could deal with such things.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsDrStrange22.jpg.html
I need to be shown Superman can heal from that level of physical trauma to give him even a 40% chance of winning.
Otherwise, I'm forced to conclude that Superman will be doing a lot of things if he follows the World War Hulk program as exactly as possible.
And winning the Zom scenario won't be one of them. [/B]
Your argument for Black Bolt is based entirely on two misconceptions. Kryptonians are weak against hypersonics, and Black Bolt's "voice" being sonic based. Even taking the writers interpreting it as "quasi-sonic" still fails, as it's more electron based than sonic based.
And your argument that Kryptonians are so vulnerable to sound based attacks is on what Livewire did. Let's pretend that your interpretation is correct, and that Black Bolt's voice is the same. Livewire had only managed to hurt Superman when he was weakened from dealing with Queen Of Fables' sending him to a folkloric Krypton, and the statement from Livewire that he was focusing makes it seem like she got him when he was even more vulnerable than just weakened. So, even if we assume your interpretation of that FLASH issue is correct, and that somehow because Livewire was manipulating radio/microwave broadcast frequencies means it's the same as Black Bolt's electron-based attack, then considering what a weakened Superman had already stood-up to it's a low showing. Which means you're lowballing. Which Pr already said to stop.
Zom being magick doesn't mean much if all he's going to do is blast and fight hand-to-hand. Superman was healing a good sized puncture in him despite his healing factor slowed down by Gog's liquified Kryptonite inside him. He pretty quickly recovered from a Kryptonite sword inside him despite Kryptonite already being in his system and slowing his healing factor. And considering he's more durable than Hulk, I doubt if it even comes to this he'll be as damaged as Hulk.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's also faster than the Hulk, and can fly etc. So perhaps bluewaterrider is trying to have Superman fight like a Hulk? Which he might argue based on his interpretation of the OP.
I guess you're not familiar with Blue? I called him a more well written JBL for a reason. Well, he thinks Wonder Woman and Supergirl are both stronger than Superman in Pre-FLASHPOINT continuity. Do I need to go on?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ha, yes, I am. Had to get a mod ruling on Red Hulk's ability to absorb energy (he had not seen the scan in question, and yet, continuned to argue). Then I stopped him. Also, the SBP/Avengers thread.
Yes, he has a tendency to argue things he hadn't seen. He is a more well written JBL, but with occasional scans.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Besides the Sentry and Black Bolt's debilitating scream, Superman must deal with the damage Zom Strange inflicts on Hulk.I can see Superman getting past Sentry due to his fight experience and Sentry's own mental problems during this time.
" and all that).
Possibly Sentry's energy might even empower Superman, even as Apollo's attack empowered the DCnU version of him in the Superman/Wonder Woman title ("million exploding [b]sunsWith far greater difficulty I can see Superman getting past Black Bolt.
This is much more difficult to see given Kryptonian vulnerability to sonic and sound-like attacks throughout the years; more likely Superman gets dropped as Hulk himself was dropped twice before.Is Silver Banshee, who at best destroyed a plane, anywise comparable in vocal output to Black Bolt, who has made stone structures blocks away in the opposite direction of his target, crumble like sand castles?
With a whisper?
What happens when Bolt lets loose with a normal voice attack?
Or an actual scream?http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/1048856-bb1sr9.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2ymja12.jpg
But this is beside the point.
We all know where the greatest and most daunting challenge in this saga lies; the one hardest for fans to debate.
Zom Strange is a magical being.
He punched what look to be football-sized holes in Hulk's upper torso.Who, thankfully, had a healing factor that could deal with such things.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsDrStrange22.jpg.html
I need to be shown Superman can heal from that level of physical trauma to give him even a 40% chance of winning.
Otherwise, I'm forced to conclude that Superman will be doing a lot of things if he follows the World War Hulk program as exactly as possible.
And winning the Zom scenario won't be one of them. [/B]
Superman skin is actually much more durable then the hulk. So try again.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Superman skin is actually much more durable then the hulk. So try again.
Yeah, during that storyline, his face was getting busted by Mid-Tiers like Thing punching him in the face. Not horrible for a Top-Tier to get cut or nose/lip busted from a high-end Mid-Tier, but not the best for supposedly "The most powerful Hulk ever seen" and I can't even see standard Superman getting treated like that under normal circumstances(at least without being a pretty low showing), let alone the level Superman would be with the mindset he should have according to the OP.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Superman skin is actually much more durable then the hulk. So try again.
On average yes, but as this particular Hulk ramped up, his durability and other stats did as well. There were actually two showings to prove this. 1 When Wolverine noticed how his skin had become tougher to cut, and when he went into the Dark Dimension and no sold two class 100's punching him while seemingly making it appear as if he didn't feel a thing from them.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Yeah, during that storyline, his face was getting busted by Mid-Tiers like Thing punching him in the face. Not horrible for a Top-Tier to get cut or nose/lip busted from a high-end Mid-Tier, but not the best for supposedly "The most powerful Hulk ever seen" and I can't even see standard Superman getting treated like that under normal circumstances(at least without being a pretty low showing), let alone the level Superman would be with the mindset he should have according to the OP.
That was the artist's rendition though. Look at the way Andrea Devito renders him while battling the X-Men.
