World War Superman

Originally posted by Delta1938
What did Zom-Strange do other than beat-up Hulk?

Maxima, Martian Manhunter, Manchester Black, Brainiac, Despero, and much more. Superman's got the telepathic resistance feats that I don't see Professor X being an issue. Due to the scenario I'm assuming he knows Charles is a powerful telepath.

Sentry a problem? Yeah. NO. huhu

He punched a hole through the Hulk's body. Is Superman immune to magic as well now? Like I said just say Superman wins, because he has no limits, and be done with it. From now on that's what everyone should say, when Superman is in a vs thread, despite actually losing in comics.

I'm not really sure how pointing out that Clark has tanked attacks from high end TP users before, or that he's taken out characters > Sentry when pissed off is assigning a no limits fallacy to him, but whatever floats your boat, I guess.

Originally posted by Stoic
Zom would be a big problem, as would Professor Xavier, and the Sentry.

Originally posted by Stoic
He punched a hole through the Hulk's body. Is Superman immune to magic as well now? Like I said just say Superman wins, because he has no limits, and be done with it. From now on that's what everyone should say, when Superman is in a vs thread, despite actually losing in comics.

Originally posted by Harbinger
I'm not really sure how pointing out that Clark has tanked attacks from high end TP users before, or that he's taken out characters > Sentry when pissed off is assigning a no limits fallacy to him, but whatever floats your boat, I guess.

So are you saying that Superman becomes stronger with rage? I thought that was the other guys thing. Also what are you basing Superman defeating Sentry from? Is it the hellicarrier thing? Superman had a showing just like it when he was pushed back over a mile when he stopped Zod's sons space craft. The craft was as small as a sedan. So what other poor showing did Sentry have up until he was beaten by the Green Scar? You know that Bob was going up against a guy that stopped a planet larger than Earth from exploding? This is just like i said before, people have a difficult time scaling feats, even when they come from the same era, and are based on the same story line.

Who were the people that Xavier put down with just the word sleep? he had Emma's help as well. If Superman is immune to TP just say it, but don't become embarrassed when he gets mind raped in the future. You can't place Superman's mindset under the same scrutiny as you would banner's while trying to decide if he would resist.

Banner has a history of mental abuse spanning back to his childhood. This plays a direct role in why he was able to resist Xavier's mind assault at that moment in time, which was later confirmed, when a Hulk not as determined was taken over by Thanos. In other words I suspect that Thanos would have had a more difficult time with exploiting the Green Scar persona. Superman does not have that same background. But again, if Superman is immune to TP, I'll give it a rest, and state that Xavier would never be able to exploit Superman, even though he was able to exploit a being possessed by the Phoenix.

Isn't this basically Injustice bit with a better story?

Originally posted by shadowknight
No, SM has limits but he's a master of going around those limits. SM isn't immune to magic but neither is it an automatic win. Otherwise CM, BM, Demon, Satanus, Blaze or whatever magical threat of the week would just show up and beat SM 9/10.

So what you just said is that he has no limits. Case closed, Superman can not be beaten if he goes around his limitations. Your words, unless I somehow missed the translation.

Originally posted by Stoic
So are you saying that Superman becomes stronger with rage? I thought that was the other guys thing. Also what are you basing Superman defeating Sentry from? Is it the hellicarrier thing? Superman had a showing just like it when he was pushed back over a mile when he stopped Zod's sons space craft. The craft was as small as a sedan. So what other poor showing did Sentry have up until he was beaten by the Green Scar? You know that Bob was going up against a guy that stopped a planet larger than Earth from exploding? This is just like i said before, people have a difficult time scaling feats, even when they come from the same era, and are based on the same story line.

Who were the people that Xavier put down with just the word sleep? he had Emma's help as well. If Superman is immune to TP just say it, but don't become embarrassed when he gets mind raped in the future. You can't place Superman's mindset under the same scrutiny as you would banner's while trying to decide if he would resist.

Banner has history of mental abuse spanning back to his childhood. This plays a direct role in why he was able to resist Xavier's mind assault at that moment in time, which was later confirmed, when a Hulk not as determined was taken over by Thanos. In other words I suspect that Thanos would have had a more difficult time with exploiting the Green Scar persona. Superman does not have that same background. But again, if Superman is immune to TP, I'll give it a rest, ans state that Xavier would never be able to exploit Superman, even though he was able to exploit a being possessed by the Phoenix.

And Superman's powers are effected by his mental state. This goes back to under Byrne(who apparently even talked about his concept for Superman only being limited by what he believed he could do, on his message board) and Marv Wolfman in the early days of Post-CRISIS, to Loeb having Mongul II train Superman to overcome his mental blocks and feeling a "surge of power," Joe Casey having Superman be "unleashed" against numerous Imperiex Probes, one-shotting them and fighting them so long he lost track of time(could've been days) and Joe Casey also mentioned Superman's mental state being one factor in his power level, in an interview. I think it was Greg Rucka who had the scene where Ruin had been testing Superman and determined Superman's stress levels effected his solar energy reserves. Kurt Busiek had Superman's powers going up as the situation needed in UP, UP AND AWAY before coming back to full strength after being powerless for a year. Hell, Superman was even more powerful with his memory and mental processing upgrade. Kurt also had Superman appear to get stronger, when he was seriously weakened from red solar energy, artificial Kryptonite, and other factors, once Chris was in danger. There's a few other examples I know of as well. It's not well known, and many Superman detractors argue against it with little more than a very strong "nuh uh he don't have it!!" as their backing, but there's many examples under various writers going all the way back to his early Post-CRISIS under Byrne.

Originally posted by Stoic
He punched a hole through the Hulk's body. Is Superman immune to magic as well now? Like I said just say Superman wins, because he has no limits, and be done with it. From now on that's what everyone should say, when Superman is in a vs thread, despite actually losing in comics.

Whoops, for some reason my response to this messed-up and got erased when I replied to the dynamic powers issue.

Anyways complaining about people bringing-up Superman's feats and showings accomplishes what, exactly? Yeah, Superman's lost in comics. Everybody has. But how does randomly citing that Superman's "lost" while sarcastically talking about Superman against magick and telepathy supposed to prove anything?

Superman's vulnerability to magick is misunderstood by people who don't actually know the character, and he's not weak to telepathy. He's generally pretty resistant, with insane feats. I didn't even have to get into his better stuff when citing telepaths I feel make it so Professor X won't be taking him out. Why do you think he'll be so easily taken out? And would you like to see examples against magick? Plus, even if Zom-Strange can also blast holes through Superman, I don't see that being too big factor for the same reason Spider-Man dodges bullets all the time but gets punched by Hulk and others.

And frankly, I'm not seeing how Sentry stalemating Hulk in WWH is supposed to prove he beats Superman, especially in the mind-set Superman should be in if I get the OP right.

Originally posted by Delta1938
And Superman's powers are effected by his mental state. This goes back to under Byrne(who apparently even talked about his concept for Superman only being limited by what he believed he could do, on his message board) and Marv Wolfman in the early days of Post-CRISIS, to Loeb having Mongul II train Superman to overcome his mental blocks and feeling a "surge of power," Joe Casey having Superman be "unleashed" against numerous Imperiex Probes, one-shotting them and fighting them so long he lost track of time(could've been days) and Joe Casey also mentioned Superman's mental state being one factor in his power level, in an interview. I think it was Greg Rucka who had the scene where Ruin had been testing Superman and determined Superman's stress levels effected his solar energy reserves. Kurt Busiek had Superman's powers going up as the situation needed in UP, UP AND AWAY before coming back to full strength after being powerless for a year. Hell, Superman was even more powerful with his memory and mental processing upgrade. Kurt also had Superman appear to get stronger, when he was seriously weakened from red solar energy, artificial Kryptonite, and other factors, once Chris was in danger. There's a few other examples I know of as well. It's not well known, and many Superman detractors argue against it with little more than a very strong "nuh uh he don't have it!!" as their backing, but there's many examples under various writers going all the way back to his early Post-CRISIS under Byrne.

So there we have it. Superman is unbeatable, and has no limits. If we use this kind of thinking, Not even Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet would defeat him. This is despite all of the times that he's been defeated, but then again, if he believes that he will not lose no one can beat him. Why stop there, not even the Living Tribunal would be able to stop a determined Superman, DOS Doomsday while fighting him should have destroyed more than the windows on those buildings in that final blow, it should have destroyed the entire universe, making HOTM, and any other crazy feat pale in comparison. You see what you're saying here?

Originally posted by Stoic
So there we have it. Superman is unbeatable, and has no limits. If we use this kind of thinking, Not even Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet would defeat him. This is despite all of the times that he's been defeated, but then again, if he believes that he will not lose no one can beat him. Why stop there, not even the Living Tribunal would be able to stop a determined Superman, DOS Doomsday while fighting him should have destroyed more than the windows on those buildings in that final blow, it should have destroyed the entire universe, making HOTM, and any other crazy feat pale in comparison. You see what you're saying here?

Yes, I see what you're saying here.

Strange turns Superman into a hush puppy.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Whoops, for some reason my response to this messed-up and got erased when I replied to the dynamic powers issue.

Anyways complaining about people bringing-up Superman's feats and showings accomplishes what, exactly? Yeah, Superman's lost in comics. Everybody has. But how does randomly citing that Superman's "lost" while sarcastically talking about Superman against magick and telepathy supposed to prove anything?

Superman's vulnerability to magick is misunderstood by people who don't actually know the character, and he's not weak to telepathy. He's generally pretty resistant, with insane feats. I didn't even have to get into his better stuff when citing telepaths I feel make it so Professor X won't be taking him out. Why do you think he'll be so easily taken out? And would you like to see examples against magick? Plus, even if Zom-Strange can also blast holes through Superman, I don't see that being too big factor for the same reason Spider-Man dodges bullets all the time but gets punched by Hulk and others.

And frankly, I'm not seeing how Sentry stalemating Hulk in WWH is supposed to prove he beats Superman, especially in the mind-set Superman should be in if I get the OP right.

I'm not being sarcastic, I'm going on what people believe Superman to be in a forum setting. You just gave him no limits. Re-read your post, and tell me how I'm being sarcastic. You're the one giving him no limits, but then choose to ignore his defeats. I mean who wants to be beaten? What I get from your posts are that he lost because he didn't try to win.

Superman would do as well as Hulk did.

Naah

Originally posted by Delta1938
Yes, I see what you're saying here.

Actually you should take time and see what it was that you stated. Instead you choose to point the finger, and refuse to see where you are in error. I was going on your statements about an unbeatable Superman. honestly go back and re-read your posts, and tell me what exactly you are saying.

Originally posted by carver9
Naah

You not liking it doesn't make it unlikely.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You not liking it doesn't make it unlikely.

I can't see it. Strange would know his magic weakness since they are friends and Strange would take complete advantage of it. He can't win this.

Originally posted by carver9
I can't see it. Strange would know his magic weakness since they are friends and Strange would take complete advantage of it. He can't win this.

First of all, it's not a weakness.

What? Friends?

Sure he can.

Originally posted by -Pr-
First of all, it's not a weakness.

What? Friends?

Sure he can.

Ban this hater! 100$ if it is a perma ban :>