World War Superman

Originally posted by Enzeru
Dude, you bring stupidity to whole another level - it's ridiculous.

I was considering for a moment to go back to page one, where you write some more shit about how Sentry wasn't vastly weakened during his encounter with WW Hulk. You say that there is no evidence, even though I provided sooo much context to prove you and every other Sentry hating douchebag otherwise. But all you do in the end is to ignore every single bit of it.

Now I see you asking if Injustice is canon or not. Do me a favour and slap yourself. Slap yourself hard, son, because you deserve it.

Really now? You mad? As far as I know you didn't prove a thing. What weakened Sentry so much? Did you get the writers say so on this? Since when does bob operate through confidence? I saw a smile on his face when he blitzed the Hulk, I didn't see or read anything to indicate that he was off. Tony gave him a pep talk, he was unsure, and then he got over it, and joined the battle at the end. I asked a question about Injustice because i did not know whether or not it was canon to the current Superman or Pre Flashpoint Superman. I recall asking someone before if it was canon and they told me no. So is it or isn't it? Also what's your deal anyways? You felt as if you proved that the Sentry was weakened, while I didn't agree with you. This is an open forum, and people will have their own opinions especially when people proclaim things that were never written on panel.

When did the Sentry ever become Gladiator? You ought to do yourself a favor and get it together.

Originally posted by Stoic
Is Injustice even canon? Is it the same personality that Superman has currently, or Pre Flashpoint? Is Superman of Injustice willing to kill? And last but not least, is that the Superman that is being used in this thread?

Lol.

From the point up until he killed the joker, he was, for all intents and purposes, the same.

Everyone was shocked when he killed the joker.....because it was so out of character. That's what made it so shocking for the rest of that universe's characters.

Does it matter if it is the one used here or not? I'll answer that for you. No, it isn't. Because up until the killing, he was jolly friendly superman who hands criminals over to the proper authorities etc. Unless of course you can prove that he was personality wise that different from mainstream superman?

Why do you think WWH was so amazing for people like carver? Because before that point, we had never seen a Hulk that was that focussed in his rage, yet who still maintained his intelligence. That's what made him so powerful. Nor did we know that he had gamma math. So all of that was a plot construct, designed for one thing only....to showcase the Hulk in his purest rage form, cutting a swathe through Earth's heroes.

And so, if you asked me what would happen if DC and Marvel wantedto sshowcase Superman raging, cutting a swathe through Earth's heroes.....how dumb would it be if it ended in issue one?

I'll answer that again for you. Pretty dumb.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.

From the point up until he killed the joker, he was, for all intents and purposes, the same.

Everyone was shocked when he killed the joker.....because it was so out of character. That's what made it so shocking for the rest of that universe's characters.

Does it matter if it is the one used here or not? I'll answer that for you. No, it isn't. Because up until the killing, he was jolly friendly superman who hands criminals over to the proper authorities etc. Unless of course you can prove that he was personality wise that different from mainstream superman?

Why do you think WWH was so amazing for people like carver? Because before that point, we had never seen a Hulk that was that focussed in his rage, yet who still maintained his intelligence. That's what made him so powerful. Nor did we know that he had gamma math. So all of that was a plot construct, designed for one thing only....to showcase the Hulk in his purest rage form, cutting a swathe through Earth's heroes.

And so, if you asked me what would happen if DC and Marvel wantedto sshowcase Superman raging, cutting a swathe through Earth's heroes.....how dumb would it be if it ended in issue one?

I'll answer that again for you. Pretty dumb.

Of course it would be dumb if it ended in one issue. yes it does matter if Superman is unwilling to kill, or come to such a conclusion. It's no longer the Superman of canon, and takes a left turn somewhere along the bend.

Superman in character would be reasoned with, if the events that happened to the Hulk, happened to him. He would never be in that situation to begin with. The heroes of Earth wouldn't have tricked him into a scenario, and sent him to a land far far away. However I do believe that he would be able to complete most of the tasks that the Hulk did if not all if Dr. Zom were not in the picture.

The question still remains that in character would he? And I'm not talking about the Injustice Superman but the one that is of current continuity, or Pre Flashpoint Superman that this thread appears to be about considering the scan in the OP. Take Zom out, fix the story to where Superman is completely in the right, and his conversation with Strange would not cause him to buckle to reason, and sure Superman has this. That's all that I am saying. And he would have trouble with the Sentry IMO.

Originally posted by Stoic
As far as I know you didn't prove a thing.

Do you want me to prove YOU wrong?

I don't mind doing it, but it will take me time and effort and I'm not willing to invest that time and effort, if you will read the first few lines, then stop and continue being a stupid idiot.

If you want I can explain absolutely everything regarding the Sentry power level inconsistency during major arcs and why he is so powerful as a Horseman at the moment (which has nothing to do with the Death Seed).

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's a vulnerability. Not the same thing as a weakness.

lol, not sure that's how it works. I'm sure you want it to, but that's reaching a tad.

No, it really isn't. Superman is more than capable of beating most if not all of the matches Hulk had faced during that arc. What's debatable is whether he WOULD.

so he's too dangerous

They put him in a ship to an uninhabited planet

Suddenly space portal

Sakaar (sp?)

Gladiator bullshit

War bullshit

Bomb bullshit

Fighting in the prow of a spaceship

Anger training bullshit

Moon

Earth

Originally posted by Enzeru
Do you want me to prove YOU wrong?

I don't mind doing it, but it will take me time and effort and I'm not willing to invest that time and effort, if you will read the first few lines, then stop and continue being a stupid idiot.

If you want I can explain absolutely everything regarding the Sentry power level inconsistency during major arcs and why he is so powerful as a Horseman at the moment (which has nothing to do with the Death Seed).

Man shut your damned mouth when I want your opinion dick breath, I'll ask for it. Did you like that? No? Well then ******* come correct, and without the insults. now if you're going to come at me with your opinion, and not an official statement from the writer detailing that he was using a gimped Sentry, all I sense is a butthurt fanboy, that witnessed his man crush get tuned up by the Ho Ho Ho Green Giant.

Do you have any idea how many inconsistencies are floating around the comic book world? Huh? Ask yourself that question, before you take the precious time to type out walls of text, that I will only turn around and ask you where did that writer say all of that shit that you are trying to sell me. You want to be insulting? Start flaming over fake shit? Venom (Flash Thomson) is in space with the GOTG, and suddenly the Kingpin of mother@@@@ing New York City is killing Edward Brock, and hee hee hawing about some dumb crap, and suddenly he has the parasitic symbiote riding up his butthole. WTF. Yeah so what you believe is real, may not be.

As far as I am concerned the Sentry that fought the Hulk didn't have gas, a tumor, a toothache, or mumps, He was tip top.

Originally posted by Stoic
As far as I am concerned the Sentry that fought the Hulk didn't have gas, a tumor, a toothache, or mumps, He was tip top.

You're done, son.

Also DS we aren't mashing a comic so even we regard pis that's all pis in favour of Hulk not Supes

Also using Injustice as proof is...unwise as all the heroes on Supes side are not in character

Originally posted by Enzeru
You're done, son.

Eh? Cut that nut ass shit out. If you have the writer of WW Hulk stating that the Sentry was weakened, that's all you'll need, if not, keep your opinions of the events, and I'll keep mine. And what's the deal with this son shit? Do you have any idea how old I am boy? Notice how I used an insulting word? Like I said before, come correct, without the insults, and flame tactics and put the shit on the table. If not, you know what I just said about opinions. We all have one.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Also DS we aren't mashing a comic so even we regard pis that's all pis in favour of Hulk not Supes

Why not.

Also Enzeru and Stoic, I don't usually backseat mod, but calm down. They're only fictional characters. Don't escalate it until a mod pops in.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also Enzeru and Stoic, I don't usually backseat mod, but calm down. They're only fictional characters. Don't escalate it until a mod pops in.

Yo I'm just reflecting what I get. I'm cool believe it or not. I know that this is fiction, and I also know that what is written in one book does not always merge into another book, which is what Enzeru is going to likely come in here with. What he has to realize is that the Hulk of WW Hulk was written up to insane levels prior to the WW Hulk arc, and even a Sentry capable of easily dealing with Terrax, would have a hard time against this version of the Hulk. He stopped a planet from exploding with strength alone, so it was actually the Hulk that was portrayed as weaker than he should have been in that particular story.

Originally posted by Stoic
I also know that what is written in one book does not always merge into another book, which is what Enzeru is going to likely come in here with.

All of what you, Carver and co say is simply not true and many years later after these books and events one would expect that you know more of what happened, but you don't. And you throw out ignorant statements over and over and over againn, even after people try to convince you otherwise.

I'm investing quite some time into the clarification of all this now. Trying to find a scan, that is very hard to find unfortunately, so it might take some time.

My statement of you being an idiot still remains. If you want to get rid of that title as for now, then read through what I have to say in the end. It will be a lot of text, but only to explain absolutely everything in perfect detail. If you then still disagree with me, that's perfectly fine, but at that point I want you to simply consider all of that.

Originally posted by Enzeru
All of what you, Carver and co say is simply not true and many years later after these books and events one would expect that you know more of what happened, but you don't. And you throw out ignorant statements over and over and over againn, even after people try to convince you otherwise.

I'm investing quite some time into the clarification of all this now. Trying to find a scan, that is very hard to find unfortunately, so it might take some time.

My statement of you being an idiot still remains. If you want to get rid of that title as for now, then read through what I have to say in the end. It will be a lot of text, but only to explain absolutely everything in perfect detail. If you then still disagree with me, that's perfectly fine, but at that point I want you to simply consider all of that.

And your opinion of me means what exactly? You see what I mean? Typically speaking your entire rant has nothing to do with this topic, and thus it only has served to derail the thread because you want to talk about your love interest in a fictional character. What you don't get is that I don't really care. You'd think that a genius like yourself would be able to remain focused, and on topic. And no I will not subject myself to another wall of text that you will write, and I have already read what you had to say on the subject. What did you not understand about, I do not agree with what you wrote several months ago? Can you understand that? It's called agreeing to disagree. Sentry could be one thing in one book, and another writer will make him another in a completely different book. I will leave it at that, and the next time you insult me, I'll just be forced to report you. Simple right. 🙂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.

From the point up until he killed the joker, he was, for all intents and purposes, the same.

Everyone was shocked when he killed the joker.....because it was so out of character. That's what made it so shocking for the rest of that universe's characters.

Does it matter if it is the one used here or not? I'll answer that for you. No, it isn't. Because up until the killing, he was jolly friendly superman who hands criminals over to the proper authorities etc. Unless of course you can prove that he was personality wise that different from mainstream superman?

Why do you think WWH was so amazing for people like carver? Because before that point, we had never seen a Hulk that was that focussed in his rage, yet who still maintained his intelligence. That's what made him so powerful. Nor did we know that he had gamma math. So all of that was a plot construct, designed for one thing only....to showcase the Hulk in his purest rage form, cutting a swathe through Earth's heroes.

And so, if you asked me what would happen if DC and Marvel wantedto sshowcase Superman raging, cutting a swathe through Earth's heroes.....how dumb would it be if it ended in issue one?

I'll answer that again for you. Pretty dumb.

I see where Dark is going with this and I agree. If a writer wants to make a character as powerful as they want in a story, then that character will be that powerful and I admit, writers has done this with Thor AND Superman. Writers intent. With that said, going by this logic, yes he do it.

if superman is willing to kill... its over and kills ppl b4 they know he is there with his speed and heat vision

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.

From the point up until he killed the joker, he was, for all intents and purposes, the same.

Everyone was shocked when he killed the joker.....because it was so out of character. That's what made it so shocking for the rest of that universe's characters.

Does it matter if it is the one used here or not? I'll answer that for you. No, it isn't. Because up until the killing, he was jolly friendly superman who hands criminals over to the proper authorities etc. Unless of course you can prove that he was personality wise that different from mainstream superman?

Why do you think WWH was so amazing for people like carver? Because before that point, we had never seen a Hulk that was that focussed in his rage, yet who still maintained his intelligence. That's what made him so powerful. Nor did we know that he had gamma math. So all of that was a plot construct, designed for one thing only....to showcase the Hulk in his purest rage form, cutting a swathe through Earth's heroes.

And so, if you asked me what would happen if DC and Marvel wantedto sshowcase Superman raging, cutting a swathe through Earth's heroes.....how dumb would it be if it ended in issue one?

I'll answer that again for you. Pretty dumb.

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Hell Black Adam had his own World War event, and he is no where near Superman when it comes to DC's hierarchy.

Lets leave Injustice out of this. Things will run better without him. We don't need no Superman one shotting the shit out of everything and doing this

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Originally posted by carver9
I see where Dark is going with this and I agree. If a writer wants to make a character as powerful as they want in a story, then that character will be that powerful and I admit, writers has done this with Thor AND Superman. Writers intent. With that said, going by this logic, yes he do it.

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You and me, carver, against the world.

He loses at Zom, Xavier or Juggs

How does he lose to Juggernaut?

He has everything on Juggy except invulnerability. He can literally ROFL and still win.