Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Phuck you.That X-men lineup he faced included such notables as:
Surge
Hellion
Mercury
Dust
Rockslide
Elixir
X-23Cyclops
Emma Frost
Wolverine
BEAST!!!
Shadowcat
Colossus
LOCKHEED!!!Nightcrawler
Warpath
HEPZIBAH!!!!!
Darwin (who will lose his sh!t when he gets to a pissed off Kryptonian)
MULTIPLE MAN!!!
WOLFSBANE!
SIRYN!
MONET!
STRONG GUY (with heart condition!!!)Superman will have a tough fight here.
Originally posted by carver9
Xavier already mind raped Thor. Can Superman withstand a mind attack from both Emma and Xavier while taking on a large Xmen team? I highly doubt that.
I was actually mocking all three camps there. All three groups do the same thing in every thread. No matter what or who those three are always immune to everything
A more serious argument beyond simply mocking the forum
The thing with telepathy is that it has many uses. Despite what happened in the comic I think Xavier and Emma could have gotten through to Hulk. Just have to go about it differently. Especially if you take Xavier at his best. I'm just not willing to accept that no matter what Xavier did he would fail if we take all of both into consideration.
And I guess that also goes into my issue with wwhulk. I'm not a fan of random hero beat downs already but if a fight comes I prefer a quality Indepth fight that truly shows both sides. And I felt most fights in the arc failed to deliver and were too quick or too focused on giving hulk feats.
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
A more serious argument beyond simply mocking the forumThe thing with telepathy is that it has many uses. Despite what happened in the comic I think Xavier and Emma could have gotten through to Hulk. Just have to go about it differently. Especially if you take Xavier at his best. I'm just not willing to accept that no matter what Xavier did he would fail if we take all of both into consideration.
And I guess that also goes into my issue with wwhulk. I'm not a fan of random hero beat downs already but if a fight comes I prefer a quality Indepth fight that truly shows both sides. And I felt most fights in the arc failed to deliver and were too quick or too focused on giving hulk feats.
It depends on how you look at it. Professor X mind attack against Hulk was so powerful that the backlash dropped the Xmen and iirc, Emma fell as well. He most def wasn't holding back and it did nothing to the Hulk. Professor said even before becoming WWH it was hard telepathically assaulting him but as WWH...
I agree with In - depth fights.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
WHA.....
He's saying that some of the things Hulk went through required a healing factor. Example...Ironman built a suit specifically for Hulk but in this case he would probably have to change it up a bit with Superman (or he could rock the same suit, doesn't matter with what I am about to say). During that fight, Ironman plunged a adamantium spike in the back of Hulks head and with the strength amp Ironman had with his suit, he can most def do the same to Supes. I just don't see Superman surviving.
Originally posted by carver9
It depends on how you look at it. Professor X mind attack against Hulk was so powerful that the backlash dropped the Xmen and iirc, Emma fell as well. He most def wasn't holding back and it did nothing to the Hulk. Professor said even before becoming WWH it was hard telepathically assaulting him but as WWH...I agree with In - depth fights.
That's the thing Telepathy doesn't have to try to only control you, or damage your mind. I can't buy that no avenue Xavier could do in a comic truly displaying both, would have no effect. Not saying Hulk couldn't win, but to be disregarded in every different form of mental power? Can't see it as an accurate look
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
That's the thing Telepathy doesn't have to try to only control you, or damage your mind. I can't buy that no avenue Xavier could do in a comic truly displaying both, would have no effect. Not saying Hulk couldn't win, but to be disregarded in every different form of mental power? Can't see it as an accurate look
Its not that his powers doesn't work, it's the fact that Hulk rage is too much for him. It's difficult even entering his mind. The icing on the cake was Emma attempting it as well and failing.
Honestly I don't even care that much anymore, though I do think most fights were lame. Here I'm mostly just bothering you because all the wwWhoever threads are annoying me.
I do dislike some of the misrepresentation the fans do however. Such as the Ghost rider fight proving he can take Ghost Rider at his best/peak ignoring the context of it being a bumbling blaze trying to control the power without help because the Rider didn't want to fight Hulk and instead wanted to focus on satan. Among several other things.
But that's not unique to hulk fans, it's just an annoying trait of the forum.
Originally posted by Stoic
I'm not being sarcastic, I'm going on what people believe Superman to be in a forum setting. You just gave him no limits. Re-read your post, and tell me how I'm being sarcastic. You're the one giving him no limits, but then choose to ignore his defeats. I mean who wants to be beaten? What I get from your posts are that he lost because he didn't try to win.
Originally posted by Stoic
Actually you should take time and see what it was that you stated. Instead you choose to point the finger, and refuse to see where you are in error. I was going on your statements about an unbeatable Superman. honestly go back and re-read your posts, and tell me what exactly you are saying.
I don't see how I said Superman was limitless. The only example you can argue was me citing Byrne telling his opinion on how Superman's powers work, and that was really just to show Byrne's intent for how Superman's powers work means he can and does get more powerful depending on his mental state.
You on the other hand are essentially arguing that Superman loses in this scenario because "he's lost before." Hulk has lost before. Why don't you have a problem with WORLD WAR HULK then? Really, you're just saying "he's lost before" and not really giving any examples nor why you think it's relevant.
Originally posted by carver9
Xavier already mind raped Thor. Can Superman withstand a mind attack from both Emma and Xavier while taking on a large Xmen team? I highly doubt that.
Scans of Hulk resisting BOTH Emma and Charles WhILST taking on a large X men team?
Because, IIRC, Charles tried, then failed, then Emma blocked Charles from accessing his powers. She never actually tried. And certainly not WHILST the xmen were attacking.
Very misleading, carver.