Assemble a strike team vs Vitiate

Originally posted by Sinious
Well, I don't wanna sound like Carthage but this is Vitate without prep and you must admit that there is a big difference when he is not prepped. He is still insanely powerful but claiming that he has a chance against DE Sidious, Plagueis, Tenebrous and Count Dooku is just illogical.

Also, I don't get the preparation argument either. What kind of preparation?

Originally posted by Sinious
You've already admitted that Sidious vs Vitiate is a close one and it could go either ways right? So, Im starting to think that you're underrating the other 3 sith so much that you believe that they wouldn't make any difference against Vitiate. Is this the case? (Just asking to understand your logic)

Also, I've never said that Sidious has no limits. I just said Sidious isn't less capable in combats.

I am focusing on the greater dynamics. Emperor Vitiate can unleash vastly destructive Force powers, he have demonstrated the capability to crash entire Dark Council. Some Force powers/techniques are simply too much to handle. Force Storm (Wormhole) is an example.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
This strike team is superior to the one in his fortress by a considerable margin.

Each member of the Jedi Strike Team led by Tol Braga is among the strongest and most resolute Jedi of the Order. It is likely that each have formidable capabilities and talents. Conventionally, a Jedi Strike Team of this caliber should be able to take care of most threats in the galaxy.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am not sure if Sidious (DE) have been considered.

Also, I don't get the preparation argument either. What kind of preparation?

Since any version of Sidious isn't specified, it is his peak version which is DE Sidious.

Well, he is a master at sorcery and charging his powers before combat. He gathered the council to eliminate them and pulled off something far above his general feats. It is obvious that he boosted his powers to such an extend. The ritual in Natemha must have had great impact on his capability to multiply his powers through certain preparations.

I am not underrating any Sith.

I am focusing on the greater dynamics. Emperor Vitiate can unleash vastly destructive Force powers, he have demonstrated the capability to crash entire Dark Council. Some Force powers/techniques are simply too much to handle. Force Storm (Wormhole) is an example.

Again, he won't have the time to charge like that. He will have to use quick attacks and he'll be overwhelmed at some point. Unlike him, the team can separate a bit and the other 3 sith can hold him off while Sidious charges something deadly. So this argument only proves you wrong.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Scourge states that he could have defeated the Hero and Sajar together on Quesh, yet the Hero alone defeats him a single planet later.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Hero states that she's grown considerably between her fights with the Emperor.

I am not denying the possibility of HoT's further power progression by the time he confronted Emperor Vitiate for the second time. HoT would have further grown in power but my contention is that he cannot realistically grow considerably in power in a short span of time.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Plus you forget that while the Hero was under Vitiates control she was training.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Many times in the mythos, prodigies have grown very quickly.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Moral of the story? Scourge was proven wrong, his opinions are not infallible.

When?

I am not denying the possibility of HoT's further power progression by the time he confronted Emperor Vitiate for the second time. HoT would have further grown in power but my contention is that he cannot realistically grow considerably in power in a short span of time.

HoT acquired command of dark side?

Quickly still translates to years.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Moral of the story? Scourge was proven wrong, his opinions are not infallible.

Scourge states this after the Hero had beaten him. By that time he would be well aware of the Hero's strength. He would have to be fairly certain he could have defeated her previously. He obviously sensed her power at the time and knew it was not enough.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
When?

I am not denying the possibility of HoT's further power progression by the time he confronted Emperor Vitiate for the second time. HoT would have further grown in power but my contention is that he cannot realistically grow considerably in power in a short span of time.

Before the attack on the Dark Temple. She claims to be stronger than the first time she fought Vitiate.

And that contention is wrong. Bane grew considerably in mere months, so did Jaden Korr, Galen Marek, Revan etc. Nox goes from an untrained slave to beating Jedi Masters in under a year.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
HoT acquired command of dark side?

While turned to it by Vitiate, yes. Unknown if she retained any grasp of the dark side after shaking off his domination though.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Quickly still translates to years.

Try weeks or months. The Hero had plenty of time to grow.

Legacy team:

T'ra Saa (Grand Master battle meditator)
Cade Skywalker (Skywalkers never hurt)
Celeste Morne (Used to keeping powerful sith out of her head, the Muur talisman can be a nice surprise)
Roan Fel

Very power battlemeditator, probably the strongest one. Skywalker, Morne with her necklace, and another force-powerful strong blade. I think they should at least be able to give a good fight of it.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Exar Kun, Ulic Qel Droma, Arca Jeth and Nomi sunrider. two battle meditations boosting swordsmen that are only equal to each other. Vitiate is dead

I think it'll work.

I'd replace Ulic with Thom, just to be absolutely sure of having a force edge, but similar idea.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The HoT has superior speed feats than any of them and she couldn't blitz a weakened Vitiate with her lightsaber a foot from his face.

But, one, that's a single sword wielder, and two, this is with two very powerful people giving force support. Even if it's not a blitz I think they'll win.

Nomi and Arca together should be able to prevent him from using the force to dictate the battle.

Originally posted by Stigma
Kenobi, Anakin, Maul and Savage

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nah

Another teams that can take Vitiate down:

Mother Talzin, Maul, Ventress, Grevious