Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I see the ridiculousness of that feat still causes butthurt to certain members of the House of El..It's pointless in trying to rationalize what Thor did in that issue all just to downplay the feat. The absurdity of it is so obscene that detractors can't or won't wrap their mind around it.
Sad really.....
Also, regarding Superman's battle with Kal-L: In the Superbooks tie-ins, as mentioned above, their battle took its toll on reality. It was so fierce that, in Superman's words, it "shattered the boundaries of space and time." They were hitting each other so hard, the comic shows, that they exchanged lives or memories, manifested alternate reality versions of themselves, and, with their final hit, atomized Earth 2. But, when we get to the following issue in Infinite Crisis, these effects are nowhere to be seen. Why is that? What happened between the close of the Superbooks tie-ins and where you picked up from them in IC?Geoff: In all honesty, most of it is because INFINITE CRISIS didn't have the room for that. I would've loved to have 100 more pages for the same story. But, I thought it best to let the Superman issues deal with the fallout of their punches while IC showed the surface of the battle. I learned page count is the most important thing in a story, which is why I have been diligent about extra-sized issues like GL #25 (54 pages!! SWEET!).
http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=comicbattles-2008121107104491&layout=thread
Let the butthurt follow from bran and you.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
If he can produce shockwaves that destroys the world alongside another superman, he can destroy a planet by one punch. It isn't a hyperbole, it happened everytime they strike ech other and it was explicitly stated to be their punches that destroyed the world.Here he does it by himself in one punch.
"Who can strike with such force they shatter-". It happened again and again. It happened 6 times in 3 comics, how many of them are hyperboles?
Honestly, if any other character destroys a planet 6 times in 3 comics with another slightly stronger version of himself in combat by just shockwaves anytime soon, his fans would nuke every comic book vs forum on internet.
Suck a dick celey and bran.
herbdance
Originally posted by abhilegend
What about it? Superman has already destroyed Earth six times when he fought Kal-L and before you go with your trite "it wasn't shown in Infinite Crisis", lets see what Geoff Johns has to say about it.http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=comicbattles-2008121107104491&layout=thread
Let the butthurt follow from bran and you.
🙂
Originally posted by abhilegend
Suck a dick celey and bran.herbdance
Originally posted by abhilegend
GTFO. The ****ing writer confirmed all of that happened.
Also, regarding Superman's battle with Kal-L: In the Superbooks tie-ins, as mentioned above, their battle took its toll on reality. It was so fierce that, in Superman's words, it "shattered the boundaries of space and time." They were hitting each other so hard, the comic shows, that they exchanged lives or memories, manifested alternate reality versions of themselves, and, with their final hit, atomized Earth 2. But, when we get to the following issue in Infinite Crisis, these effects are nowhere to be seen. Why is that? What happened between the close of the Superbooks tie-ins and where you picked up from them in IC?Geoff: In all honesty, most of it is because INFINITE CRISIS didn't have the room for that. I would've loved to have 100 more pages for the same story. But, I thought it best to let the Superman issues deal with the fallout of their punches while IC showed the surface of the battle. I learned page count is the most important thing in a story, which is why I have been diligent about extra-sized issues like GL #25 (54 pages!! SWEET!).
So the comic says the same thing and we have confirmation from the writer too, yet you're too butthurt to accept it? Yeah, good old marvel fanboys at their best.
Originally posted by abhilegendYou cannot be serious abhil. This was shot down so many times its not even funny. Do yourself a favor and quit NOW. If you stop being foolish, i will join the House of EL as a janitor and tell you who i really am. 😄
So the comic says the same thing and we have confirmation from the writer too, yet you're too butthurt to accept it? Yeah, good old marvel fanboys at their best.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So the comic says the same thing and we have confirmation from the writer too, yet you're too butthurt to accept it? Yeah, good old marvel fanboys at their best.
First off, Johns did not confirm anything specifically. He gave a very politically vague answer probably to avoid any butthurt. Any wording that had anything to do with planet busting came from the person asking the questions. It's crazy how much you're lacking in communication savvy.
Secondly, wasn't it you who started claiming vehemently that the stories in those Superman books were completely separate from what happened in Infinite Crisis? I remember you were so adamant in your position since the lack of any planet busting in the main Infinite Crisis books really hurt your claims. Now just because you think you have something credible, you completely do a 180 to suit your needs. Wow... This is just lulzworthy.
Lastly, why are you even bringing this up here? Did you see me or Bran once reference Superman's Infinite Crisis exploits? The only thing we responded to was your White Knight's feeble attempt to lowball what Thor achieved in God of Thunder #9.
Remember... You did this to yourself.
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Originally posted by celeyhyga17And I wonder how you live with that hammer up your ass?
Lol.... Sometimes I wonder how you've survived this long with such awful reading instincts.
First off, Johns did not confirm anything specifically. He gave a very politically vague answer probably to avoid any butthurt.Haha, seriously? You have to do better than that. He said explicitly that he let the Superman issues deal with the fallout of their punches which was what the question about.
Any wording that had anything to do with planet busting came from the person asking the questions. It's crazy how much you're lacking in communication savvy.I know how it works. Johns confirmed what happened in Superman issues was the fallout of their punches. No two ways about it.
Secondly, wasn't it you who started claiming vehemently that the stories in those Superman books were completely separate from what happened in Infinite Crisis?Yeah, I did as I understood at that point. Apparently not according to the writers.
I remember you were so adamant in your position since the lack of any planet busting in the main Infinite Crisis books really hurt your claims. Now just because you think you have something credible, you completely do a 180 to suit your needs. Wow... This is just lulzworthy.I was wrong. I've no problems to accept that. unlike you, who is adamant that the world wasn't destroyed, despite it being confirmed by the writer and comics both. ****ing comic says "It continues with a blow which shatters the world" over and over and yet, its not good for you? While you gobble up Aaron's flowery dialogue like your life depends upon it.
Lastly, why are you even bringing this up here? Did you see me or Bran once reference Superman's Infinite Crisis exploits? The only thing we responded to was your White Knight's feeble attempt to lowball what Thor achieved in God of Thunder #9.And I just posted a better feat. Suck it up.
Remember... You did this to yourself.I pity you. I really do.
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Originally posted by Bentley
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Here's how it goes down:
1) The Supermen's fight opens on Earth 2 in Superman 226 with the Kals swapping lives. Their first mutual hit shatters reality into shards, literally, as Superman narrates "So it begins with a blow that breaks the world."
http://imageshack.com/a/img607/2848/t5y7.jpg
2) The shatters continue throughout the issue, with each shatter typically marking the end of one life swap and the beginning of another. Returns to Earth 2 occur occasionally between shatters.
3) The issue's last shatter sees Superman blown away by what he and Kal-L are doing: "Who can strike with such force they shatter--?"
http://imageshack.com/a/img51/7008/vifp.jpg
4) The issue ends with Lois staring at Earth 2 and then manifesting alternates. Her alternates will not be seen following this issue.
5) The Supermen's fight continues in Action Comics 836. Their switched lives shatter in and shatter out rapidly with occasional returns to Earth 2 in between them as their shatters do in the preceding chapter of the Supermen's fight: "Again, the world shatters, and I go back ... to answer my own questions," Kal-L says during one such occasion. Kal-El says something similar, "The world shatters," during another. And so on.
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6) The issue ends with Jimmy manifesting alternates. His alternates will not be seen following this issue.
7) The third and final issue of their fight, Adventures of Superman 649, begins with the Supermen saying in no uncertain terms that the battle between them has "shattered the boundaries of space and time."
http://imageshack.com/a/img19/8229/6w9w.jpg
8) The issue ends with Superman and Kal-L landing a mutual blow that they say destroys a world, and leaves a blinding, energy seething sphere of light where Earth 2 previously was. The hit also manifests alternates of themselves just like Alexander Luthor will do in the following issue of IC, when he flips the switch on his gadgetry to make all those alternate Earths. His alternate Supermen will blip in and blip out, just like the Supermen's alternate Supermen do in this issue, as well as the Lois and Jimmy alternates do in the preceding chapters of the Supermen's fight.
http://imageshack.com/a/img834/453/wbr7.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img837/1746/09z5.jpg
9) The Supermen's fight ends in the next IC issue. All the warp effects of their fight are gone, including their alternates and their annihilation of Earth 2.
10) Following the Supermen's fight, Luthor switches on his machine to make all those Earths. The second he does that, he produces Supermen alternates just like the Supermen do previously with the final blow they land on each other in Adventures 649: They blip in and they blip out, same as the Jimmy and Lois alternates do in Superman 226 and Action Comics 836.
Even if one dismisses that the destroyed Earth 2 was an actual blip, i.e., assert that Earth 2 was not destroyed despite the comic saying and showing that it was, he or she still has the switched lives and alternates to consider. And he or she still has to find evidence in the story of there having been cosmic instability independent of that which the Supermen explicitly say are produced by their fight that contributed to the warps the Supermen explicitly say are produced by their fight. They also have to explain why this independent instability was not seen before or when Superboy fought Superboy Prime or after Luthor's Superman alternates blipped in and blipped out -- i.e., when the universe was at its most unstable.
In closing for this post, please answer me these questions:
1) Do you acknowledge that the Kals switch lives in Superman 226?
2) Do you acknowledge that the physical shattering effect is introduced with the first hit the Supermen land on each other?
3) Do you acknowledge that while launching the first hit, Superman says that he and Kal-L destroy the world?
4) Do you acknowledge that Kal-El, in Superman 226, page 1, says "This is not my life. It's the hits. Every time he hits me ... where do I go? Who can strike with such force they shatter--?"?
5) Do you acknowledge that their life switching continues in Action 836 and Adventures of Superman 649?
6) Do you acknowledge that in Adventures of Superman 649, page 1, both Supermen say that their fight has "shattered the boundaries of space and time ... every time we connect, I'm transported to his world ... living his life"?
7) Do you acknowledge that the close of Adventures of Superman 649 sees the Supermen manifesting alternates of themselves and destroying Earth 2 as they punch each other just like the Supermen say they do: "So it continues ... with a blow that shatters the world"?
8) Do you acknowledge that shatters occur throughout the fight and see the Superman jump between between Earth 2 and the shatter reality Earths?
9) Do you acknowledge that there is nothing in Infinite Crisis that says that the universe is unstable before the Supermen fight?
10) Do you acknowledge that nothing else is cited by the Supermen or anyone else in IC as contributing to the warps produced by the Supermen's fight?
11) Do you acknowledge that Alexander Luthor's warps come after the Supermen fight?
12) Do you acknowledge that Lois and Jimmy alternates are produced while the Superman fight in Superman 226 and Action Comics 836, respectively?
13) Do you acknowledge that Luthor's alternates of the Supermen blip in and blip out just like the Supermen's alternates of the Supermen blip in and blip out during their fight, which precedes Luthor's blips?
14) Do you acknowledge that no fights elsewhere in IC feature any warps, not even after Luthor destabilizes the universe with all his alternate Earths?
15) Do you acknowledge that no "funny stuff" happens to any other characters owed to pre-existing reality weakness either before or after the Supermen's fight and Luthor's subsequent manifestation of the Superman alternates and the alternate Earths?
16) Finally, do you acknowledge that what is said and shown in numerous places in a story constitutes better proof of an interpretation than what is not said and is not shown anywhere in a story at all, i.e., that evidence all over is better evidence than no evidence at all, to put it jocularly?
Originally posted by abhilegendTranslation. They did not destroy any planet but i will twist it like they did 😮💨
Yeah, it happens sometimes. Anyway, here is a very through review of the feat in particular.Here's how it goes down:
1) The Supermen's fight opens on Earth 2 in Superman 226 with the Kals swapping lives. Their first mutual hit shatters reality into shards, literally, as Superman narrates "So it begins with a blow that breaks the world."http://imageshack.com/a/img607/2848/t5y7.jpg
2) The shatters continue throughout the issue, with each shatter typically marking the end of one life swap and the beginning of another. Returns to Earth 2 occur occasionally between shatters.
3) The issue's last shatter sees Superman blown away by what he and Kal-L are doing: "Who can strike with such force they shatter--?"http://imageshack.com/a/img51/7008/vifp.jpg
4) The issue ends with Lois staring at Earth 2 and then manifesting alternates. Her alternates will not be seen following this issue.
5) The Supermen's fight continues in Action Comics 836. Their switched lives shatter in and shatter out rapidly with occasional returns to Earth 2 in between them as their shatters do in the preceding chapter of the Supermen's fight: "Again, the world shatters, and I go back ... to answer my own questions," Kal-L says during one such occasion. Kal-El says something similar, "The world shatters," during another. And so on.http://imageshack.com/a/img203/9460/omee.jpg
6) The issue ends with Jimmy manifesting alternates. His alternates will not be seen following this issue.
7) The third and final issue of their fight, Adventures of Superman 649, begins with the Supermen saying in no uncertain terms that the battle between them has "shattered the boundaries of space and time."http://imageshack.com/a/img19/8229/6w9w.jpg
8) The issue ends with Superman and Kal-L landing a mutual blow that they say destroys a world, and leaves a blinding, energy seething sphere of light where Earth 2 previously was. The hit also manifests alternates of themselves just like Alexander Luthor will do in the following issue of IC, when he flips the switch on his gadgetry to make all those alternate Earths. His alternate Supermen will blip in and blip out, just like the Supermen's alternate Supermen do in this issue, as well as the Lois and Jimmy alternates do in the preceding chapters of the Supermen's fight.
http://imageshack.com/a/img834/453/wbr7.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img837/1746/09z5.jpg9) The Supermen's fight ends in the next IC issue. All the warp effects of their fight are gone, including their alternates and their annihilation of Earth 2.
10) Following the Supermen's fight, Luthor switches on his machine to make all those Earths. The second he does that, he produces Supermen alternates just like the Supermen do previously with the final blow they land on each other in Adventures 649: They blip in and they blip out, same as the Jimmy and Lois alternates do in Superman 226 and Action Comics 836.Even if one dismisses that the destroyed Earth 2 was an actual blip, i.e., assert that Earth 2 was not destroyed despite the comic saying and showing that it was, he or she still has the switched lives and alternates to consider. And he or she still has to find evidence in the story of there having been cosmic instability independent of that which the Supermen explicitly say are produced by their fight that contributed to the warps the Supermen explicitly say are produced by their fight. They also have to explain why this independent instability was not seen before or when Superboy fought Superboy Prime or after Luthor's Superman alternates blipped in and blipped out -- i.e., when the universe was at its most unstable.
In closing for this post, please answer me these questions:
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1) Do you acknowledge that the Kals switch lives in Superman 226?
2) Do you acknowledge that the physical shattering effect is introduced with the first hit the Supermen land on each other?
3) Do you acknowledge that while launching the first hit, Superman says that he and Kal-L destroy the world?
4) Do you acknowledge that Kal-El, in Superman 226, page 1, says "This is not my life. It's the hits. Every time he hits me ... where do I go? Who can strike with such force they shatter--?"?
5) Do you acknowledge that their life switching continues in Action 836 and Adventures of Superman 649?
6) Do you acknowledge that in Adventures of Superman 649, page 1, both Supermen say that their fight has "shattered the boundaries of space and time ... every time we connect, I'm transported to his world ... living his life"?
7) Do you acknowledge that the close of Adventures of Superman 649 sees the Supermen manifesting alternates of themselves and destroying Earth 2 as they punch each other just like the Supermen say they do: "So it continues ... with a blow that shatters the world"?
8) Do you acknowledge that shatters occur throughout the fight and see the Superman jump between between Earth 2 and the shatter reality Earths?
9) Do you acknowledge that there is nothing in Infinite Crisis that says that the universe is unstable before the Supermen fight?
10) Do you acknowledge that nothing else is cited by the Supermen or anyone else in IC as contributing to the warps produced by the Supermen's fight?
11) Do you acknowledge that Alexander Luthor's warps come after the Supermen fight?
12) Do you acknowledge that Lois and Jimmy alternates are produced while the Superman fight in Superman 226 and Action Comics 836, respectively?
13) Do you acknowledge that Luthor's alternates of the Supermen blip in and blip out just like the Supermen's alternates of the Supermen blip in and blip out during their fight, which precedes Luthor's blips?
14) Do you acknowledge that no fights elsewhere in IC feature any warps, not even after Luthor destabilizes the universe with all his alternate Earths?
15) Do you acknowledge that no "funny stuff" happens to any other characters owed to pre-existing reality weakness either before or after the Supermen's fight and Luthor's subsequent manifestation of the Superman alternates and the alternate Earths?
16) [b]Finally, do you acknowledge that what is said and shown in numerous places in a story constitutes better proof of an interpretation than what is not said and is not shown anywhere in a story at all, i.e., that evidence all over is better evidence than no evidence at all, to put it jocularly?
