Darth Nihilus vs The Sith Emperor

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
I've never said anything to the contrary. What I have been saying is that the loss of life on the planet was a direct result of the ritual, and Vitiate needed the 8000 other Sith Lords to achieve the level of power it took to have that kind of planetary effect. Nihilus, on the other hand, was able to accomplish the same level of draining feat at will, without the need for other Force Users to siphon.

An instant > 10 days

Either way, this is discussion is pointless.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You are wrong, again.

Bane and some other Sith Lords used their combined might to unleash Force Lightning on mass scale. This is different from what Emperor Vitiate did.

Emperor Vitiate and 8000 Sith Lords did not use their combined might to unleash Force Drain. Only Emperor performed this action, this was his capability. He consumed other Sith Lords, ending the ritual in the process.

I think the problem is you're looking at the draining of the planet as an action Vitiate consciously did, rather than what it was: a result of Vitiate absorbing the power of the other 8000 Sith Lords.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No, they served as people who performed the ritual with him, otherwise he wouldn't have had to summon them to begin with.

Ritual was performed to create a nexus of dark side, however, Emperor unleashed Force Drain on others to consume them, ending the ritual in the process. This was his agenda.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
I think the problem is you're looking at the draining of the planet as an action Vitiate consciously did, rather than what it was: a result of Vitiate absorbing the power of the other 8000 Sith Lords.

Emperor Vitiate have history of fueling his power by draining many individuals simultaneously. He performed this action even after the ritual of Nathema.

Emperor have basically demonstrated the capability to drain many individuals simultaneously. During the ritual of Nathema, he performed this action to fuel his power by consuming others.

Get it now?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor basically performed an action similar to that of Darth Nihilus. He consumed many living beings simultaneously to fuel his power. This is not an act to absorb power, this is an act to steal life-force of others to fuel own power.

Emperor Vitiate have history of fueling his power by draining many individuals simultaneously. He performed this action even after the ritual of Nathema.

Emperor have basically demonstrated the capability to drain many individuals simultaneously. During the ritual of Nathema, he performed this action to fuel his power by consuming others.

Get it now?

1) Vitiate did not perform an action similar to Nihilus, let's get that straight.

2) Absorb powers is the same thing as fueling his own power, because absorbing their power would fuel his own power.

3) I'm not arguing the draining of the Sith Lords, but what you need to realize is that draining the Sith Lords and achieving immortality was his only goal. What happened to Nathema was a byproduct of the 10 day ritual.

4) Vitiate certainly has the capability to drain multiple people simultaneously, but he hasn't shown the ability to drain a planet, under his own power.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor summoned them because he wanted to eat them. His allies didn't knew about this. They did not use their combined might to unleash Force Drain, who would they target in this manner?

Ritual was performed to create a nexus of dark side, however, Emperor unleashed Force Drain on others to consume them, ending the ritual in the process. This was his agenda.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Each other? Vitiate dominate them all to perform the Ritual.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
If he wanted to create a nexus why would he destroy it. It still doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Only Emperor Vitiate unleashed Force Drain on others. Others did not.

Emperor wanted to consume lot of living beings to fuel his power and achieve corporeal immortality. Creating nexus was not his goal, it was just done to give a sense of direction to other Sith Lords to achieve great power. Emperor played others.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You are wrong, again.

Bane and some other Sith Lords used their combined might to unleash Force Lightning on mass scale. This is different from what Emperor Vitiate did.

Emperor Vitiate and 8000 Sith Lords did not use their combined might to unleash Force Drain. Only Emperor performed this action, this was his capability. He consumed other Sith Lords, ending the ritual in the process.

I like how you're just stating your opinion here without any of your sources to back you up. Since they've all been rendered useless for supporting your argument of have been revealed to actually support my argument instead.

No, Vitiate drew upon the power of all these Sith and used it to drain the planet dry. In Banes case the only part the other Sith played was in giving Bane their power and letting him channel it into the Force storm. This is how it likely worked for Vitiate too. The rituals purpose was to consume those 8000 Sith and everything on the planet as is confirmed by the TOR codex and Swtore.

Concede, and I will be merciful for your blasphemy.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
1) Vitiate did not perform an action similar to Nihilus, let's get that straight.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
2) Absorb powers is the same thing as fueling his own power, because absorbing their power would fuel his own power.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
3) I'm not arguing the draining of the Sith Lords, but what you need to realize is that draining the Sith Lords and achieving immortality was his only goal. What happened to Nathema was a byproduct of the 10 day ritual.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
4) Vitiate certainly has the capability to drain multiple people simultaneously, but he hasn't shown the ability to drain a planet, under his own power.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Your quote doesn't prove that. It looks more like the ritual destroyed the planet and the Dark Side energy was by product.

Lord Vitiate takes command of the Sith Empire, now in shambles following the Great Hyperspace War. He executes the Sith Council and consumes the life force of thousands of Sith Lords in a terrifying ritual that extends his life and vastly increases his capacity as a practitioner of the Force. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

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Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That makes no sense. If he already was dominating them, he could have just drained them all then and there, and it most certainly wouldn't take 10 days to do.

10 days were spent for this purpose:-

The ritual lasted ten days. Lord Vitiate orchestrated the sorcery and the planet Mediraas was consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor consumed all biota during, only he unleashed Force Drain. Others did not unleash Force Drain, they had no idea that Emperor wanted to eat them.

Because Vitiate was the one leading the ritual. He was the one controlling their combined power, so he was able to wield it as he wanted.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because Vitiate was the one leading the ritual. He was the one controlling their combined power, so he was able to wield it as he wanted.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Combined strength was used to create largest nexus of the dark side ever. Emperor, however, unleashed Force Drain on others to consume them to fulfill his agenda.

You have less than no evidence for that. The combined strength was used to perform the ritual to grant Vitiate immortality through draining everything on the planet. The nexus was only created as a product of draining everything and turning Nathema into a void. Focus on the established facts.

Also you ignored my point. You claimed that the other Sith didn't use drain, so I pointed out that they didn't because Vitiate was wielding their power. So I defeated your point. Again.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor consumed all biota, only he unleashed Force Drain on others. Others did not unleash Force Drain, they had no idea that Emperor wanted to eat them.

Lord Vitiate takes command of the Sith Empire, now in shambles following the Great Hyperspace War. He executes the Sith Council and consumes the life force of thousands of Sith Lords in a terrifying ritual that extends his life and vastly increases his capacity as a practitioner of the Force. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

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Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)

Emperor swiftly drained others.

10 days were spent for this purpose:-

The ritual lasted ten days. Lord Vitiate orchestrated the sorcery and the planet Mediraas was consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yes they did, which is why Vitiate forced them to do it.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Your quotes never support you. Here is no exception

Not only are you picking only parts that support your argument, that would be completely unnecessary if he could just drain them in the first place.

Tell me, what happened on Nathema.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You have less than no evidence for that. The combined strength was used to perform the ritual to grant Vitiate immortality through draining everything on the planet. The nexus was only created as a product of draining everything and turning Nathema into a void. Focus on the established facts.

Also you ignored my point. You claimed that the other Sith didn't use drain, so I pointed out that they didn't because Vitiate was wielding their power. So I defeated your point. Again.

"There they conducted a ritual that extended the Emperor's life at the cost of the lives of more than eight thousand Sith Lords." - TOR codex.

"The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries." - Swtore.

Translation: The ritual extended Vitiates life and his life was extended by draining all the energy on the planet. Ergo, the ritual drained all the biota on the planet.

This was the action of many individuals.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Prove it.

You don't have a clue of what you are talking about. I have provided all information and my interpretation is based on it.

Tell me, what happened on Nathema.

The Emperor, in his badassery, convinced 8,000 people to make a nexus, but then had to mind dominate them to make a nexus. Once that nexus was made, Vitiate became the Chuck Norris of the Force, because that was one sweet nexus, and it allowed him to break everyone's defenses on the entire planet, but it didn't empower anyone else, because they weren't worthy. But this was all done for fun, because really, Vitiate could have done it on his own already.

Originally posted by Nephthys
"There they conducted a ritual that extended the Emperor's life at the cost of the lives of more than eight thousand Sith Lords." - TOR codex.

Originally posted by Nephthys
"The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries." - Swtore.

Emperor fueled his power by stealing life-force of every living being on Nathema. In this manner, Emperor became more powerful then ever before and achieved immortality.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Translation: The ritual extended Vitiates life and his life was extended by draining all the energy on the planet. Ergo, the ritual drained all the biota on the planet.

This was the action of many individuals.

Ritual did not drain anything, Neph. Ritual is not a sentient being or something. Emperor drained other living beings. Use common sense.