Originally posted by Nephthys
Dude, this just says the same thing my quote does. That Vitiate consumed the life force of the Sith with the ritual.Just ****in' concede man. I annihilated you. 😬
You claimed this: "Ergo, the ritual drained all the biota on the planet."
Ritual is not an entity, Neph. Force-users perform actions, through gestures or through rituals.
Emperor Vitiate unleashed Force Drain on every thing in the ritual.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
See above
See what? I have the TOR Encyclopedia, too. That statement clearly says he was able to do those things because of the ritual, otherwise it wouldn't have been mentioned.
As far as the Revan quote goes, it doesn't say anything about the biota of the planet, so I fail to see how that reinforces your position that Vitiate destroyed the planet without the help of the ritual.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDRitual is not an entity, Neph. Force-users perform actions, through gestures or through rituals.
Emperor Vitiate unleashed Force Drain on every thing in the ritual. [/B]
Now who's arguing semantics? No one is saying the ritual was sentient, but the fact remains that Vitiate was unable to accomplish those things without the help of the ritual being performed.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]In the ritual, not with the ritual.You claimed this: "Ergo, the ritual drained all the biota on the planet."
Ritual is not an entity, Neph. Force-users perform actions, through gestures or through rituals.
Emperor Vitiate unleashed Force Drain on every thing while performing the ritual. [/B]
Not to sound condescending, but in English that means the same thing. Saying he consumed their life-force in the ritual is the same thing as saying he did it with the ritual.
You can't use a separate technique while performing a ritual.
Originally posted by Selenial
For once....I agree with Neph.
Lord Vitiate takes command of the Sith Empire, now in shambles following the Great Hyperspace War. He executes the Sith Council and consumes the life force of thousands of Sith Lords in a terrifying ritual that extends his life and vastly increases his capacity as a practitioner of the Force. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
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Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
Emperor Vitiate performed this action.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I love how you lecture me about picking and choosing among official statements but try to ignore and dismiss the quote I provided.
I have cited 2 official statements that confirm that Emperor consumed entire biota of Nathema. This was his decision and action.
You may argue that Emperor performed this action using ritualistic method but this is his capability.
Once again, Force powers can be unleashed using both ritualistic (meditative) and gesture methods. Ritual is not an entity or something that does stuff by itself for its participants.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
See what? I have the TOR Encyclopedia, too. That statement clearly says he was able to do those things because of the ritual, otherwise it wouldn't have been mentioned.As far as the Revan quote goes, it doesn't say anything about the biota of the planet, so I fail to see how that reinforces your position that Vitiate destroyed the planet without the help of the ritual.
Now who's arguing semantics? No one is saying the ritual was sentient, but the fact remains that Vitiate was unable to accomplish those things without the help of the ritual being performed.
Emperor consumed the entire biota of Nathema. This was his decision and action. He may have performed this action using ritualistic approach (meditation). This is still his capability.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Neph, I have not ignored the statement you cited, a codex entry. Unfortunately, this codex entry lacks in detail.I have cited 2 official statements that confirm that Emperor consumed entire biota of Nathema. This was his decision and action.
You may argue that Emperor performed this action using ritualistic method but this is his capability.
Once again, Force powers can be unleashed using both ritualistic (meditative) and gesture methods. Ritual is not an entity or something that does stuff by itself for its participants.
So, you're saying Vitiate destroyed everything all on his own, without the help of the ritual? If that was truly the case, he wouldn't have needed 8000 sacrificial Sith lambs and a 10 day ritual, during which he siphoned the power from said lambs.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor consumed the entire biota of Nathema. This was his decision and action. He may have performed this action using ritualistic approach (meditation). This is still his capability.
A capability he was unable to perform without said ritual and 8000 Sith Lords...
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
So, you're saying Vitiate destroyed everything all on his own, without the help of the ritual? If thatw as truly the case, he wouldn't have needed 8000 sacrificial Sith lambs and a 10 day ritual, during which he siphoned the power from said lambs.Emperor consumed the entire biota of Nathema. This was his decision and action. He may have performed this action using ritualistic approach (meditation). This is still his capability.
A capability he was unable to perform without said ritual and 8000 Sith Lords...
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Neph, I have not ignored the statement you cited, a codex entry. Unfortunately, this codex entry lacks in detail.I have cited 2 official statements that confirm that Emperor consumed entire biota of Nathema. This was his decision and action.
You may argue that Emperor performed this action using ritualistic method but this is his capability.
Once again, Force powers can be unleashed using both ritualistic (meditative) and gesture methods. Ritual is not an entity or something that does stuff by itself for its participants.
Its just as detailed as the quotes you're providing. You're just trying to dismiss it by claiming it lacks detail because it completely proves you wrong. Its so blatantly hypocritical its pathetic.
The Emperor did consume all biota on Nathema. With the ritual. My source does not contradict that Vitiate drained everything, it just clarifies that he did so with the ritual.
What does this mean? He did do it through a ritualistic means, with the aid of 8000 Sith. It is not his unaided capabilities.
Oh shit really? OH NO SHIT REALLY??? A ritual isn't sentient!? That changes everything!! Thank you Legend, THANK YOU for correcting me on this point. Whatever would I do without you?
Obviously Vitiate was the one leading the ritual, which is why it says he's the one performing these actions. This does not contradict any quote you've posted.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its just as detailed as the quotes you're providing. You're just trying to dismiss it by claiming it lacks detail because it completely proves you wrong. Its so blatantly hypocritical its pathetic.The Emperor did consume all biota on Nathema. With the ritual. My source does not contradict that Vitiate drained everything, it just clarifies that he did so with the ritual.
What does this mean? He did do it through a ritualistic means, with the aid of 8000 Sith. It is not his unaided capabilities.
Oh shit really? OH NO SHIT REALLY??? A ritual isn't sentient!? That changes everything!! Thank you Legend, THANK YOU for correcting me on this point. Whatever would I do without you?
Obviously Vitiate was the one leading the ritual, which is why it says he's the one performing these actions. This does not contradict any quote you've posted.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The so-called aid was that those Sith Lords simply served as food supply for Emperor Vitiate. He unleashed Force Drain on them, they did not.
Just like Bane drew upon the power of the Brotherhood to perform his Force Storm ritual, so too did Vitiate draw on the strength of 8000 Sith Lords to perform his. It just so happened that the rituals purpose was to drain everything on the planet.
Vitiate cannot perform drain on that scale without a ritual and aid. Nihilus utterly eclipses him.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What was the objective of Emperor Vitiate? Why he summoned thousands of Sith Lords? What he wanted from them?
The purpose of the ritual was for Vitiate to increase his power and achieve immortality. In order to do that, he led a 10 day ritual, along with 8000 other Sith Lords. During the ritual, he drained the other Sith Lords, absorbing their power, until the ritual's end. by the time it was finished, the Sith Lords were reduced to dust, the planet was devoid of life, and Vitiate had achieved corporeal immortality.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
The purpose of the ritual was for Vitiate to increase his power and achieve immortality. In order to do that, he led a 10 day ritual, along with 8000 other Sith Lords. During the ritual, he drained the other Sith Lords, absorbing their power, until the ritual's end. by the time it was finished, the Sith Lords were reduced to dust, the planet was devoid of life, and Vitiate had achieved corporeal immortality.
Emperor unleashed Force Drain on 8000 Sith Lords to consume them. These Sith Lords served as food supply, they became the victims. Ritual ended because Emperor consumed other Sith Lords.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes, you get it now.Emperor unleashed Force Drain on 8000 Sith Lords to consume them. These Sith Lords served as food supply, they became the victims. Ritual ended because Emperor consumed other Sith Lords.
I've never said anything to the contrary. What I have been saying is that the loss of life on the planet was a direct result of the ritual, and Vitiate needed the 8000 other Sith Lords to achieve the level of power it took to have that kind of planetary effect. Nihilus, on the other hand, was able to accomplish the same level of draining feat at will, without the need for other Force Users to siphon.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Just like Bane drew upon the power of the Brotherhood to perform his Force Storm ritual, so too did Vitiate draw on the strength of 8000 Sith Lords to perform his. It just so happened that the rituals purpose was to drain everything on the planet.Vitiate cannot perform drain on that scale without a ritual and aid. Nihilus utterly eclipses him.
Bane and some other Sith Lords used their combined might to unleash Force Lightning on mass scale. This is different from what Emperor Vitiate did.
Emperor Vitiate and 8000 Sith Lords did not use their combined might to unleash Force Drain. Only Emperor performed this action, this was his capability. He consumed other Sith Lords, ending the ritual in the process.